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[MastanKhan]

Hi Sir,

we are getting
Mig 29 UPG
Mig 29K
Mirage 2005 upgrade 4-5 per year
Rafale with orders diverted from french air force, ie not in queue but downside will be F 3 + standard instead of F3R

3 CABS EMB 145i AWE &CS
AKASH SAM batteries

only problem will be retiring more older squadrons, i guess even Pakistan will ..

as far as AESA is concerned, i think we are 2-3 years away either by Rafale or Indigenous one. We have clear roadmap. But Pakistan can spring a surprise even before that, they always like to.. we ll see.

Hi,

My good man---thank you for the post--. Remember---you have yet to sign the contract.

Secondly---I am glad that indian military planner thought of COLD START---. I would want to thank them for that----that perfectly suites our strike plan----.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

You are quoting the same link which I have posted in my post and assuming that I have not read it nor I am aware that Radars can be upgraded ..... this is a classic example of over smartness ....

Can you prove that MKI are using 'UPGRADED RADARS' .... ??

secondly you originally stated that MKI has 200+ KM radar range for which I have shown you it can only pick Aircraft carrier at that distance in Air to Surface mod .... not a Fighter Jet

Another thing can you share the exact wording or excerpt of that 'holy' Jane's report so that you can end the discussion once for all & educate others about the mode in which the 'mighty' MKI have 400+ KM radar range against what target & RCS .....

if you can only then reply otherwise don't bother to reply me I am not interested in your tall claims

Well thats a classic example of foolishness.......

A) Can you tell the specification mention, where it is written is of Radar model N011M and not of BAR-29 and N035 model? If i go by your Logic , then All 4 models of Radar has same specification and Russian as foolish they made 4 Radar models and all of same specification and type. Hats off man
Care to tell me what is the difference between in all 4's?

• 1 N011
• 2 N011M
• 3 N035
• 4 Bars-29

Did you know about the Kilo Class (Black Hole) Submarine Story ? or Not?

A) Didn't you know all information of Radar are most classified , even foolish would believe on the information available to public. lol

B) Let me tell you in 2012, India buying 300 KM standoff weapons for its SU-30MKI, means Radar can have 300Km + range? even foolish can understand from that.

"The sources said the plan involves equipping the aircraft with long-range stand-off missiles upto the range of 300 km and a request for information (ROI) was issued recently for procuring such a weapon system from global vendors."

IAF to upgrade Su-30MKIs to 'Super Sukhoi' standard - timesofindia-economictimes

b

Hi,

I am too old to be anyones fanboy---ok.

We already are within 80% capability overall----and with the BLK 52's and mlus---ahead of you. Wait and see what is coming in the next three years----.

We will have aesa before you get aesa---.

And for your Rafale---you have yet too sign the deal---. Wen you do that and there are no new buyers----you are already third in line----.

The current scenario suites us better than it suites you----specially the COLD START---.

Really 80% , care to explain how?

A) 200 nos -Su-30 MKI at present in IAF ,
B) Mirage -2000 ( on upgrade )
C) MIG-29 ( on upgrade)

how many planes modern planes you have ? how many F-16's you have?

 

[MastanKhan]

Well thats a classic example of foolishness.......

A) Can you tell the specification mention , where it is written is of Radar model N011M and not of BAR-29 and N035 model ?

If i go by your Logic , then All 4 models of Radar has same specification and Russian as foolish they made 4 Radar models and all of same specification and type. Hats off man

Care to tell me what is the difference between in all 4's?

• 1 N011
• 2 N011M
• 3 N035
• 4 Bars-29

Did you know about the Kilo Class (Black Hole) Submarine Story ? or Not?

Didn't you know all information of Radar are most classified , even foolish would believe on the information available to public. lol



Really 80% , care to explain how?

A) 200 nos -Su-30 MKI at present in IAF ,
B) Mirage -2000 ( on upgrade )
C) MIG-29 ( on upgrade)

how many planes modern planes you have ? how many F-16's you have?

Please kindly excuse me out of your discussion and response.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Please kindly excuse me out of your discussion and response.

i asked on what basis you claimed you attain 80 to 85 % of IAF capability. ? Care to explain with facts and figure ? 3 Years what you will get?

FYI, indian SU-30MKI already started AESA upgrades.

Why you people make plane statements without backing up with facts and figures?

Su-30MKI (280) and MIG -29 (upgraded) and Mirage -2000 (upgrading)- 400+ Aircraft with latest technology and out of that 280 are with AESA radars.

What you pitch against these and how many numbers?

 

[sathya]

Hi,

My good man---thank you for the post--. Remember---you have yet to sign the contract.

Secondly---I am glad that indian military planner thought of COLD START---. I would want to thank them for that----that perfectly suites our strike plan----.

Hi sir,

i am unaware of what COLD START is, and how it will be countered,
let me do some basic study about Cold start, then will ask you about the strike plan.
thank you

 

[Erroroverload]

i asked on what basis you claimed you attain 80 to 85 % of IAF capability. ? Care to explain with facts and figure ? 3 Years what you will get?

Did you know in next 3 years all Su-30MKI is getting AESA upgrades lol, all you people early make a statement without any technical facts and figures ......Still question relevant on what basis you claim ?

OHO what u think F16 is we have about 76 f16 now on wiki the number has changed to 90.
n let me tell u ,,,as a defensive force these f16 will b more lethal than your MKI30.

 

[sathya]

i asked on what basis you claimed you attain 80 to 85 % of IAF capability. ? Care to explain with facts and figure ? 3 Years what you will get?

FYI, indian SU-30MKI already started AESA upgrades.

Why you people make plane statements without backing up with facts and figures?

Su-30MKI (280) and MIG -29 (upgraded) and Mirage -2000 (upgrading)- 400+ Aircraft with latest technology and out of that 280 are with AESA radars.

What you pitch against these and how many numbers?

Hi Alfa,

standoff weapons wont need fighter radars guidance , it will have its own guidence i think.
like for example, JF 17 can launch Raad, a air launched cruise missile with 350km range. that doesnt mean jf17 will have radar range of 350km.
But air to air missiles will need guidence till the terminal phase i think, i am sure SU 30 mki would have got a long range AAM from Russia.. if you dig there we ll know how long it is..
Su 30 mki is also called a mini AWAC , sure it will have a long range capable radar..

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Hi Alfa,

standoff weapons wont need fighter radars guidance , it will have its own guidence i think.
like for example, JF 17 can launch Raad, a air launched cruise missile with 350km range. that doesnt mean jf17 will have radar range of 350km.
But air to air missiles will need guidence till the terminal phase i think, i am sure SU 30 mki would have got a long range AAM from Russia.. if you dig there we ll know how long it is..
Su 30 mki is also called a mini AWAC , sure it will have a long range capable radar..

If i am not wrong , Kh-59MK - 285 km-range anti-shipping variant with turbofan engine and ARGS-59 active radar seeker,

SU-30MKI should lock the target before it launch the missile, after that Missile radar takes over. Isn't that so? OR you fire a missile blindly in any direction and in mid- way Missile should find it target?

Weldon use of Discussion as SU-30MKI is also started upgrading for AESA radars , initial batch of 40 is under upgradation to AESA.

OHO what u think F16 is we have about 76 f16 now on wiki the number has changed to 90.
n let me tell u ,,,as a defensive force these f16 will b more lethal than your MKI30.

cmon
A) 280 Su MKI - ( upgrading is going on to AESA radars, 40under upgradation and few already upgraded to AESA )
B) MIG -29 (already upgraded)
C) Mirage 2000 (in upgradation process)

You think 76 F-16 is make 80% of IAF 400 + AC? not to mention Jaguar also planned to upgrade.

As per Wiki is 76 F-16 and and out of 76 how many are of which block level, check yourself.
List of aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MastanKhan]

i asked on what basis you claimed you attain 80 to 85 % of IAF capability. ? Care to explain with facts and figure ? 3 Years what you will get?

?

It is a Pakistani defence forum---. We can make statements to suit our point of view.

 

[Sine Nomine]

A) 280 Su MKI - ( upgrading is going on to AESA radars, 40under upgradation and few already upgraded to AESA )
B) MIG -29 (already upgraded)
C) Mirage 2000 (in upgradation process)

You think 76 F-16 is make 80% of IAF 400 + AC? not to mention Jaguar also planned to upgrade.

Please give a source for Su-30MKI AESA upgrade...In any given time all su-30's will not be fully operational+you will not bring all Air Assets from Hamachul to Andman on one front,PAF has serviceability record of 100% for all jets there will be no problem to counter IAF.

 

[Erroroverload]

If i am not wrong , Kh-59MK - 285 km-range anti-shipping variant with turbofan engine and ARGS-59 active radar seeker,

SU-30MKI should lock the target before it launch the missile, after that Missile radar takes over. Isn't that so? OR you fire a missile blindly in any direction and in mid- way Missile should find it target?

Weldon use of Discussion as SU-30MKI is also started upgrading for AESA radars , initial batch of 40 is under upgradation to AESA.


cmon
A) 280 Su MKI - ( upgrading is going on to AESA radars, 40under upgradation and few already upgraded to AESA )
B) MIG -29 (already upgraded)
C) Mirage 2000 (in upgradation process)

You think 76 F-16 is make 80% of IAF 400 + AC? not to mention Jaguar also planned to upgrade.

As per Wiki is 76 F-16 and and out of 76 how many are of which block level, check yourself.



ah u r missing something that your mki stock is about 50 % operational
and every 1 knows except u that mig29 and mirage 2000 are of no match with f16
u r forgetting that our f16 MLU's are capable of firing AIM-120 AMRAAM WHICH IS BEST BVR MISSILE in subcontinent pls check details and comparison between your bvrs and our bvrs.
u r also forgetting jf17 with its sd 10.
and plz cmon u should read my post again and again that being a defensive force PAF is lethal.
every 1 knows ur AF is 3 times bigger than ours.and quantity is also quality sometimes.
not 80% i never said that some other member said that ...
think before u write

ah u r missing something that your mki stock is about 50 % operational
and every 1 knows except u that mig29 and mirage 2000 are of no match with f16
u r forgetting that our f16 MLU's are capable of firing AIM-120 AMRAAM WHICH IS BEST BVR MISSILE in subcontinent pls check details and comparison between your bvrs and our bvrs.
u r also forgetting jf17 with its sd 10.
and plz cmon u should read my post again and again that being a defensive force PAF is lethal.
every 1 knows ur AF is 3 times bigger than ours.and quantity is also quality sometimes.
not 80% i never said that some other member said that ...
think before u write

 

[ares]

I know you too old for to be a fanboy.. Had gotten use to your sober posts.

That is why I was rather surprised at your assessment.

You remember that f-16 block 15s are being MLUed and made equivalent to F16 block 40s.. But at the same time you forget Mirage 2000Hs are being upgraded to Mirage 2000-5s.. The highest Mirage ever built...on paper equivalent to those bck 52s.
80 odd Mig 29s are being upgraded to Mig29 SMT standards.

If you are 80 percent of IAF capability now.. Which I seriously doubt since even now IAF has twice the number of 4gen fighters as PAF.

This ability will only erode further 2-3 yrs.. For PAF at the most will be inducting couple of squadrons of JF 17 block 2s
which in themselves are not even equivalent to two squadrons of MKI.. Which IAF sure to induct.. Even if not withstanding LCA and Rafael.

BTW which aircraft are you expecting to get AESA on JF 17 block 3s?..but they are 5yrs away from induction..surely first Rafael with AESA will be on Indian Shores before that.

b

Hi,

I am too old to be anyones fanboy---ok.

We already are within 80% capability overall----and with the BLK 52's and mlus---ahead of you. Wait and see what is coming in the next three years----.

We will have aesa before you get aesa---.

And for your Rafale---you have yet too sign the deal---. Wen you do that and there are no new buyers----you are already third in line----.

The current scenario suites us better than it suites you----specially the COLD START---.

 

[HRK]

Well thats a classic example of foolishness.......

A) Can you tell the specification mention, where it is written is of Radar model N011M and not of BAR-29 and N035 model? If i go by your Logic , then All 4 models of Radar has same specification and Russian as foolish they made 4 Radar models and all of same specification and type. Hats off man
Care to tell me what is the difference between in all 4's?

• 1 N011
• 2 N011M
• 3 N035
• 4 Bars-29

Did you know about the Kilo Class (Black Hole) Submarine Story ? or Not?

A) Didn't you know all information of Radar are most classified , even foolish would believe on the information available to public. lol

B) Let me tell you in 2012, India buying 300 KM standoff weapons for its SU-30MKI, means Radar can have 300Km + range? even foolish can understand from that.

"The sources said the plan involves equipping the aircraft with long-range stand-off missiles upto the range of 300 km and a request for information (ROI) was issued recently for procuring such a weapon system from global vendors."

IAF to upgrade Su-30MKIs to 'Super Sukhoi' standard - timesofindia-economictimes



Really 80% , care to explain how?

A) 200 nos -Su-30 MKI at present in IAF ,
B) Mirage -2000 ( on upgrade )
C) MIG-29 ( on upgrade)

how many planes modern planes you have ? how many F-16's you have?

your reply is simply like this ..... keep that stupidity to yourself

not interested in further discussion ....

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Please give a source for Su-30MKI AESA upgrade...In any given time all su-30's will not be fully operational+you will not bring all Air Assets from Hamachul to Andman on one front,PAF has serviceability record of 100% for all jets there will be no problem to counter IAF.

lol

"The Super 30 represents the next evolution for the SU-30MKI. Upgrades are reported to include a new radar (probably AESA, and likely Phazotron’s Zhuk-AE), improved onboard computers, upgraded electronic warfare systems, and the ability to fire the air-launched version of the Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic cruise missile."

IAF to upgrade Su-30MKIs to 'Super Sukhoi' standard - timesofindia-economictimes
India Ordering, Modernizing SU-30MKIs

It is a Pakistani defence forum---. We can make statements to suit our point of view.

well... their is difference between fantasy and real world, in PDF you can claim u are more powerful then US and live .... no one stopping you.... you can dream what you want , but realty differs.

Please give a source for Su-30MKI AESA upgrade...In any given time all su-30's will not be fully operational+you will not bring all Air Assets from Hamachul to Andman on one front,PAF has serviceability record of 100% for all jets there will be no problem to counter IAF.

lol , what a joke ..... First go and check the you F-16 Block levels, then came .... with in 12 Hrs any plane can reach anywhere in india.

your reply is simply like this ..... keep that stupidity to yourself

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not interested in further discussion ....

yes , can't expect any technical level talks from you...... You are like the one who keep saying / dreaming on one thing.

this is for you?
PA , missiles test was successful , because PA website said so ... but aah , Missiles blow in the way.... so what , test was successful because PA website said so.....

 

[Sine Nomine]

lol

"The Super 30 represents the next evolution for the SU-30MKI. Upgrades are reported to include a new radar (probably AESA, and likely Phazotron’s Zhuk-AE), improved onboard computers, upgraded electronic warfare systems, and the ability to fire the air-launched version of the Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic cruise missile."

first of all you need to stop that third grade Nagpuri weed try some Afghani or Burmi that will open your mind,super 30 has been proposed not even single unit has been gone through that upgrade,HAL will overhaul every su-30mki after every 1500 flying hours,note that first unit was delivered to IAF in Jan 2015 it will over haul 15 aircraft per year(you can calculate how many years it will take to overhaul about 270 units)
HAL took more then a decade to develop maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facilities for the Su-30MKI.What will be time frame of super-30 upgrade i can guess and just...lolzzzz.....

lol , what a joke ..... First go and check the you F-16 Block levels, then came .... with in 12 Hrs any plane can reach anywhere in india.

All F-16 are at Block 50/52 level....and fighter sq shifting during war is not joke kid.