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[Erroroverload]

salaam jammer bhaiyaso your at it again so here i post it yet again

1. its not that onli pakistan has ground based radars and AWACS well india has aswell and most of owr ground based , aerostat and AWACS based radars are AESA or PESA based 3D or even some are 4D type backed bya SAM netwrok pakistan can onli dream of which is aging given top cover by at least three types of spy sats

2.for pakistan(god forbid it ever happens) india already has 6 squads of MKi (air superiorty)and three each of upgrded mig29s & M2Ks(deep strike & air policing) +7 squads each of upgraded Jags(CAS & deep strike) & Bisons(point defence)

3.we have one of the best BVR capabillities in this theater and have a variety of the best russian , french and israeli A to A missles which are again backed by best EW &self protection jammer suits and fighter aircraft based radars money can buy today

4.an MKI with air a lunched bhramos ALCM can do more damage than u can ever imagine as almost all of PAFs & PAs vital instalations(80-190KM from indian border) are in its ground lanched versions range 289km

5.baki abhi rehne do saeen ji

OK as u have said we too have AWACS ,,,,, u forgot something that we have the best BVR's in subcontinent
oh n u r also forgetting about our RAAD missile

 

[GURU DUTT]

OK as u have said we too have AWACS ,,,,, u forgot something that we have the best BVR's in subcontinent
oh n u r also forgetting about our RAAD missile

do you sir have any idea about BVR s in indian inventorry ?

as for RAAD well calculate its speed with distence it has to cover to get to its targets and dont forget the indian air defnce network which it has to bypass now compare the same with what india has (we have best of russia and israel & french ACMLs) and the range & distance indian missiles have to cover & what kind of air defnce they have to supress or bypass to get the job done dont forget mki-bhramos combo +bharmos mini is already in works and soon IAFs jags and fulcrums will also have the same combo along with LCA (tejasis designed to carry at least 1500 kg missile on its centerline pylon)

 

[Mughal-Prince]

The thread TITLE is just OVER IMAGINATIVE ; UN REALISTIC and QUIXOTIC

Every single point you mention fits your mental farts with you have littered this forum.

sexy plane but no match for the IAF heavies.

Its not the matter of having fun with sex its about fu(king the adversary altogether.

You need a good doctor...!

I must not agree I believe he need to be addressed by MODs

 

[HRK]

BTW 150 in active sevice is enough to take on less 100 no of real planes anytime.... I hope you know Su-30 MKI radar can capture whole PAK ..... 200+ KM range.... ( thats why called Mini ACWAS.

Any authentic 'link or source' for MKI radar range of 200+KM range ..... ??

(original post date: May 06, 2015 time 5:26 PM)
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(post edit date: May 07, 2015 time 5:27 AM)

Specifications of BARS radar of SU-30 from the website of the developer

Quote:

Radar control system "BARS" for Su-30MKI, Su-30MKA, Su-30MKM fighters

"Air-to-Air" mode:

Detection range for a MiG-29 type fighter in 300 sq.deg. scanning zone is as follows:

• at head-on courses - up to 140 km;
• at trailing courses - up to 60 km.

"Air-to-Ground" mode:

Detection ranges are as follows

• of a railway bridge: 80..120 km.;
• of a group of tanks: 40..50 km.;
• of a torpedo-boat destroyer: 80..120 km.;
• of an aircraft carrier: 250 km.

Radar control system "BARS" for Su-30MKI, Su-30MKA, Su-30MKM fighters Unquote

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Any authentic 'link or source' for MKI radar range of 200+KM range ..... ??

(original post date: May 06, 2015 time 5:26 PM)
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(post edit date: May 07, 2015 time 5:27 AM)

Specifications of BARS radar of SU-30 from the website of the developer

Quote:

Radar control system "BARS" for Su-30MKI, Su-30MKA, Su-30MKM fighters

"Air-to-Air" mode:

Detection range for a MiG-29 type fighter in 300 sq.deg. scanning zone is as follows:

• at head-on courses - up to 140 km;
• at trailing courses - up to 60 km.

"Air-to-Ground" mode:

Detection ranges are as follows

• of a railway bridge: 80..120 km.;
• of a group of tanks: 40..50 km.;
• of a torpedo-boat destroyer: 80..120 km.;
• of an aircraft carrier: 250 km.

Radar control system "BARS" for Su-30MKI, Su-30MKA, Su-30MKM fighters Unquote

The forward-facing NIIP N011M Bars (Panther) is a powerful integrated passive electronically scanned arrayradar. The N011M is a digital multi-mode dual frequency band radar. The N011M can function in air-to-air and air-to-land/sea mode simultaneously while being tied into a high-precision laser-inertial or GPS navigation system. It N011M has a 400 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere

Sukhoi Su-30MKI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[HRK]

The forward-facing NIIP N011M Bars (Panther) is a powerful integrated passive electronically scanned arrayradar. The N011M is a digital multi-mode dual frequency band radar. The N011M can function in air-to-air and air-to-land/sea mode simultaneously while being tied into a high-precision laser-inertial or GPS navigation system. It N011M has a 400 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere

Sukhoi Su-30MKI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think Wikipedia has more authentic info then the developer of BARS RADAR

 

[Windjammer]

is this from alan warnes upcoming article ?

Just found out that this image was also taken by Air Commodore Hamid Faraz, a former F-16 pilot and now Lahore Base commander. The same officer who earned fame for taking the picture of JF-17 protocol to the Chinese President.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

I don't think Wikipedia has more authentic info then the developer of BARS RADAR

if you don't know how to read Wikipedia , then its not my fault ..... for everything mentioned their is source link

The N011M can function in air-to-air and air-to-land/sea mode simultaneously while being tied into a high-precision laser-inertial or GPS navigation system. It is equipped with a modern digital weapons control system as well as anti-jamming features. N011M has a 400 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere.[48]The radar can track 15 air targets and engage 4 simultaneously.[48]


48 - ^ Jump up to: a b c Jane's Radar And Electronic Walfare Systems, p. 2089.

you can go to Jane's Radar And Electronic Walfare Systems, pg no 2089 and cross verify it.

You think everyone put actual classified sensitive information on the public website. ?

 

[HRK]

if you don't know how to read Wikipedia , then its not my fault ..... for everything mentioned their is source link

The N011M can function in air-to-air and air-to-land/sea mode simultaneously while being tied into a high-precision laser-inertial or GPS navigation system. It is equipped with a modern digital weapons control system as well as anti-jamming features. N011M has a 400 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere.[48]The radar can track 15 air targets and engage 4 simultaneously.[48]


48 - ^ Jump up to: a b c Jane's Radar And Electronic Walfare Systems, p. 2089.

you can go to Jane's Radar And Electronic Walfare Systems, pg no 2089 and cross verify it.

You think everyone put actual classified sensitive information on the public website. ?

stupidity at best .... jane's is more reliable or the company who has develop BARS radar ..... ???

now stop trolling ....& don't quote me ....

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

stupidity at best .... jane's is more reliable or the the company who has develop BARS radar ..... ???

now stop trolling ....& don't quote me ....

lol, their is something called common sense ... which you might not have , no company in the World give the max technical details about its own radar or any other technical details of sensitive system. you are living in the fools paradise,

If Jane's put news , then it came form some reliable source. Stupidity at its best , you need to Read and understand before saying anything.

From OEM Site
Радиолокационная система управления «Барс» для истребителей Су-30МКИ (МКА, МКМ), Су-30СМ

Modernisation

On request in RCS "Bars" can be:
- Change the diameter and the type of antenna (PAR - AFAR);
- Changing the power transmitter PCP = 1..5 kW .;
- Modified HSA used "air - air", "air - surface" as produced in Russia, and the production of foreign customers;
- Administered modes of detection of dangerous meteorological formations.

what you are reading is Radar Control System "Bars" for Su-30MKI (ICA MKM), Su-30cm, . their are 4 types of BARS

• 1 N011
• 2 N011M
• 3 N035
• 4 Bars-29

and everyone is different and specification, what you read is General Specification, When you understand about Radar Technology , then came to Argue.....

 

[HRK]

lol, their is something called common sense ... which you might not have , no company in the World give the max technical details about its own radar or any other technical details of sensitive system. you are living in the fools paradise,

If Jane's put news , then it came form some reliable source. Stupidity at its best , you need to Read and understand before saying anything.

From OEM Site
Радиолокационная система управления «Барс» для истребителей Су-30МКИ (МКА, МКМ), Су-30СМ

Modernisation

On request in RCS "Bars" can be:
- Change the diameter and the type of antenna (PAR - AFAR);
- Changing the power transmitter PCP = 1..5 kW .;
- Modified HSA used "air - air", "air - surface" as produced in Russia, and the production of foreign customers;
- Administered modes of detection of dangerous meteorological formations.

what you are reading is Radar Control System "Bars" for Su-30MKI (ICA MKM), Su-30cm, . their are 4 types of BARS

• 1 N011
• 2 N011M
• 3 N035
• 4 Bars-29

and everyone is different and specification, what you read is General Specification, When you understand about Radar Technology , then came to Argue.....

You are quoting the same link which I have posted in my post and assuming that I have not read it nor I am aware that Radars can be upgraded ..... this is a classic example of over smartness ....

Can you prove that MKI are using 'UPGRADED RADARS' .... ??

secondly you originally stated that MKI has 200+ KM radar range for which I have shown you it can only pick Aircraft carrier at that distance in Air to Surface mod .... not a Fighter Jet

Another thing can you share the exact wording or excerpt of that 'holy' Jane's report so that you can end the discussion once for all & educate others about the mode in which the 'mighty' MKI have 400+ KM radar range against what target & RCS .....

if you can only then reply otherwise don't bother to reply me I am not interested in your tall claims

 

[MastanKhan]

Albeit, you have the right to your opinion, but let me add this, just like PAF will not commit anything more than say six aircraft to each target, the IAF despite it's numerical superiority will not send any more than a squadron against high value targets inside Pakistan. A war between India and Pakistan will not be like a one sided affair like coalition forces attacking Iraq or the Israelis bombing Palestinians. Say India attacks with a mix bag of 20 aircraft, Pakistan will be monitoring the situation through AWACS and other ground based radars, it has modern air defences and BVR capable interceptors, even if 50% of IAF strike force is taken out that will immediately put India on the back foot.
Deploying an aircraft like the SU-30 with a huge RCS, will be risky without first assuring complete air superiority which the IAF will never achieve over the PAF.
@gambit @MastanKhan , your opinion gentlemen will be appreciated.

Hi,

Pappy---the last opportunity that India had was after Mumbai attacks---. Right now----all they can do is blow steam now.

Neither they have the numbers nor do they have immense technical superiority. Whatever edge they have---they will lose it in the next 2 to 3 years----. We are very close to getting in the 85% capability umbrella to IAF---. Once we are around 90% capability---we will be able to start hostilities from our end at our discretion.

Hey @Windjammer ----ask your buddies in the air force----" tell me about those couple of goodies that you are hiding " hehn---. Just tell them a little birdie told you so.

 

[ares]

Hi,

Pappy---the last opportunity that India had was after Mumbai attacks---. Right now----all they can do is blow steam now.

Neither they have the numbers nor do they have immense technical superiority. Whatever edge they have---they will lose it in the next 2 to 3 years----. We are very close to getting in the 85% capability umbrella to IAF---. Once we are around 90% capability---we will be able to start hostilities from our end at our discretion.

Hey----ask your buddies in the air force----" tell me about those couple of goodies that you are hiding " hehn---. Just tell them a little birdie told you so.

Hmm..that is a rather fanboi assessment.

In next 2-3 yrs Indian is getting

2 squadrons of Rafael.
1 Squadron of Tejas.
and 2 squadrons of Su-30 MKI.

So What mighty aircraft is Pakistan getting in next couple of years, that it will suddenly propel them from their current abilities to 85% of IAF abilities?

 

[MastanKhan]

b

Hmm..that is a rather fanboi assessment.

In next 2-3 yrs Indian is getting

2 squadrons of Rafael.
1 Squadron of Tejas.
and 2 squadrons of Su-30 MKI.

So What mighty aircraft is Pakistan getting in next couple of years, that it will suddenly propel them from their current abilities to 85% of IAF abilities?

Hi,

I am too old to be anyones fanboy---ok.

We already are within 80% capability overall----and with the BLK 52's and mlus---ahead of you. Wait and see what is coming in the next three years----.

We will have aesa before you get aesa---.

And for your Rafale---you have yet too sign the deal---. Wen you do that and there are no new buyers----you are already third in line----.

The current scenario suites us better than it suites you----specially the COLD START---.

 

[sathya]

b

Son,

I am too old to be anyones fanboy---ok.

We already are within 80% capability overall----and with the BLK 52's and mlus---ahead of you. Wait and see what is coming in the next three years----.

We will have aesa before you get aesa---.

And for your Rafale---you have yet too sign the deal---. Wen you do that and there are no new buyers----you are already third in line----.

The current scenario suites us better than it suites you----specially the COLD START---.

Hi Sir,

we are getting
Mig 29 UPG
Mig 29K
Mirage 2005 upgrade 4-5 per year
Rafale with orders diverted from french air force, ie not in queue but downside will be F 3 + standard instead of F3R

3 CABS EMB 145i AWE &CS
AKASH SAM batteries

only problem will be retiring more older squadrons, i guess even Pakistan will ..

as far as AESA is concerned, i think we are 2-3 years away either by Rafale or Indigenous one. We have clear roadmap. But Pakistan can spring a surprise even before that, they always like to.. we ll see.