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[Syed Hussain]

It's primarily the superior level of skills of PAF Pilots that makes the difference. Otherwise Block 52 are at par or slightly superior to Mig-29's and Mirage-2000 but SU-30MKi is considerably superior to F-16 block52 specially in A2A domain and the difference may go even wider and non compensable even for our Pilots if India decided to go with "Super 30 upgrade"(Erbis-E Radar, 117 engine & more) then it will turn their Flankers into "Super-cruising Mini AWACS". Pakistan needs to Add fresh and "heavy/medium" blood into Air Force.

 

[kollang]

Yes i have heard about them from Irani members......This Saeghe is indigenously made and revealed a couple of months ago? right?

Saeghe 2 is not what I meant, saeghe 2 is simply the 2 seat version of Saeghe.few weeks ago a new photo was published that indicates saeghe has became operational completely and feature new upgrades including advanced sensors and a data link.it uses a digital cockpit as well.well it is not in par with your falcons nor Indian flankers.but for sure -apart from air superiority role- it can handle all the needed tasks including pin-point strike.for this period this is enough.

 

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PAF ZINDABAD!

 

[Spy Master]

Saeghe 2 is not what I meant, saeghe 2 is simply the 2 seat version of Saeghe.few weeks ago a new photo was published that indicates saeghe has became operational completely and feature new upgrades including advanced sensors and a data link.it uses a digital cockpit as well.well it is not in par with your falcons nor Indian flankers.but for sure -apart from air superiority role- it can handle all the needed tasks including pin-point strike.for this period this is enough.
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Its still a great achievement during sanction period...PAF lost a whole decade during sanction period but its good Iran is trying to keep up..once sanction lifted IRIAF surely will go for Russian Sukhois or Chinese J-10s...!

 

[Viper0011.]

You cannot compare the peacetime scenario with wartime.(though it's applicable for all nations.) During wartime, most of the national reserve is used for production and maintenance of hardware (tanks, artillery, IFVs, aircraft and so on.) Just like the number of war machines produced during WW2 easily outnumbers the total production of all time combined.

I don't even know how to write a post to answer yours as your post shows total lack or common sense of the topic or my previous post.

The issue for India is Mig 21's, 23's, 27's, some Jaguars, etc. None of these are produced internally so I don't know what you are referring to in terms of WWII and war time production. That would be the case if we would be discussion LCA as its Indian. You don't manufacture Mig 27's or Jags, etc.... so if you don't produce these older jets, what difference does it make between War time and peacetime in terms of production? The only difference is, in war time, everyone will try to use everything in desperation. But in India - Pakistan's case, the desperation level means a whole new level of a nuke threat that I hope never comes reality.

Your old platform are waiting on LCA to mature up (block II), just like the PAF is waiting on JFT block II to get operational so it can retire its Mirages and F-7's......

And we are not talking about Tanks, Artillery, IFV's and WWII. We are talking about the shiit hole that India and Pakistan are in due to their older jets. Let's stay on topic please.

 

[Storm Force]

To all the Pakistanis

Bigging up the F16/52 .... Yes its a great warplane. We acknowledge this .. Maybe in some cases the best in South Asia.

But thankfully you only have 70 or so Falcons

Thankfully its a American system which means threat of sanctions persist

The indians have more than enough to beat the small fleet of Falcons. In a short war with over 350 SU30mki/mig29/mirage2000/5...

I am sorry but your Thunder that you p[eople write about is a poor mans BUDGET 4TH GENERATION FIGHTER

To date it lacks IRST (infa red search & track)
HMS/HMS (Helmet mounted Sights)
AND RANGE AND FUEL ( Small fighter with limited fuel)

You Pakistanis need reminding even our Mig21 HAVE A HMS option with BVR...

 

[Viper0011.]

To all the Pakistanis

Bigging up the F16/52 .... Yes its a great warplane. We acknowledge this .. Maybe in some cases the best in South Asia.

But thankfully you only have 70 or so Falcons

Thankfully its a American system which means threat of sanctions persist.

Your posts have become more pathetic and silly by the day. THANK FULLY, the little "70" BVR-able F-16's can bring down about 70 - 100+ of your SU-30's.......when you can change that....may be you can write something that actually makes sense.

Till then, you shouldn't be wasting Oxygen and bandwidth on here on this topic. And by the way, your nationalists government, does NOT want to lose 50 - 100 SU's at any cost. So, they will never get into a confrontation with Pakistan. Waving flags and showing SU-30's with 12 AAM's in pictures is one thing. Trying to get into something that might lose billions worth of firepower which would put you like 5-7 years behind and much weaker against the Chinese....is another and they can't afford to do that. Let's put these silly posts to an end and talk about facts. Not just blind propaganda.

 

[ALexxy87]

I don't even know how to write a post to answer yours as your post shows total lack or common sense of the topic or my previous post.

The issue for India is Mig 21's, 23's, 27's, some Jaguars, etc. None of these are produced internally so I don't know what you are referring to in terms of WWII and war time production. That would be the case if we would be discussion LCA as its Indian. You don't manufacture Mig 27's or Jags, etc.... so if you don't produce these older jets, what difference does it make between War time and peacetime in terms of production? The only difference is, in war time, everyone will try to use everything in desperation. But in India - Pakistan's case, the desperation level means a whole new level of a nuke threat that I hope never comes reality.

Your old platform are waiting on LCA to mature up (block II), just like the PAF is waiting on JFT block II to get operational so it can retire its Mirages and F-7's......

And we are not talking about Tanks, Artillery, IFV's and WWII. We are talking about the shiit hole that India and Pakistan are in due to their older jets. Let's stay on topic please.

Then which situation you are referring to where"squadron after squadron of aircrafts will be sent to battlefield, but the N-word will not be uttered?" And most important part is (1) Pakistan also doesn't manufacturer it's aircrafts at home (assembling is not manufacturing), and (2)make at home or import, both will eat up your national reserves, where you need to do some serious improvement. (Don't look at your commie friends who never did anything except lip services during actual need like war.)
Common sense is uncommon in common people and unfortunately I can't consider you as an uncommon person

 

[Sage]

To all the Pakistanis

Bigging up the F16/52 .... Yes its a great warplane. We acknowledge this .. Maybe in some cases the best in South Asia.

But thankfully you only have 70 or so Falcons

Thankfully its a American system which means threat of sanctions persist

The indians have more than enough to beat the small fleet of Falcons. In a short war with over 350 SU30mki/mig29/mirage2000/5...

I am sorry but your Thunder that you p[eople write about is a poor mans BUDGET 4TH GENERATION FIGHTER

To date it lacks IRST (infa red search & track)
HMS/HMS (Helmet mounted Sights)
AND RANGE AND FUEL ( Small fighter with limited fuel)

You Pakistanis need reminding even our Mig21 HAVE A HMS option with BVR...

If your memory may serve you right ...during the stand-off between Pak-India, General Musharaf went to China and in one visit brought home a boat-load of F-7PGs...don't drum out your comment as this time we may bring some more lethal machines in case we are to stand muzzle to muzzle against you ....by they way ....historically, you have been always greater in number and tech than Pak in all wars but still got a good spanking in the air

 

[Sage]

AIM-9X Block II is the most potent weapon present in the entire US arsenal (A2A weaponry) and in view of the present state of relation which Pak shares with US, it could be assumed they wont let PAF come anywhere near it (even if the relations improve somehow it remains to be seen if US planners would take the risk of Chinese coming and examining it)

Chinese coming and examining it .....wasn't this the same cry of the Indian Lobby to the congress when they were clearing the Block-52 for us

 

[Sage]

Wasn't at the time US was too much dependent on Pak for its operations in Afganistan (pursuit of OBL)....... needless to say Pak planners milked the situation and not just got themselves the planes (which were promised to them years ago), but also a bucket load of weapons........

Even if we keep aside the china issue, other questions prop up like

• why did PAF bought AIM-9L instead of AIM 9R/9X?
• If US didn't offered 9R/9X, than why so?

Pakistan has a policy of shopping things in stages ....this strategy serves both congress and anti-Pakistan lobbies including people like Hussein Haqqani ...!

 

[Sage]

Shopping in stages doesn't matter.
But, why wasn't the "right" thing purchased??

The only logical reason could be because US never offered them for sale, even if it meant loss of Pakistan's cooperation in Afghanistan.

Agreed ...there are things US do not sell to anyone ....an example is that of Raptor and Viper ...I still just can't believe how Pakistan lobbied for the Vipers successfully ....it was a far-shot ...
Another reason could be that the master always hide a trick or two from the student ....may be the AIM 9x was their trick !

 

[CHI RULES]

New BVR and WVR missiles are being developed by other countries with equivalent capabilities. Pak already has relations in this field with Brazil and SA.

 

[abdulbarijan]

I am aware "Sidewinder" is the family of missiles. Since this family is available since 1950's it is imperative to know which era does the missile belong, to find its actual capabilities. For instance Ancient Sidewinders ( 9B, 9D,9E,9H,9G) and Newer Sidewinders (9J,9L,9M, 9P-4-5,9R,9X)

While really old sidewinders (from 1950's and 60's) could hardly be called any threat/danger in present scenario, owing to there propensity to lock even sun or clouds.

Even "9L" was introduced in late 70's (more than 35 year old design) and have plenty of shortcomings (like absence of Imaging Infrared camera, susceptibility to counter measures, absence of smokeless propulsion motor)

AIM-9X Block II is the most potent weapon present in the entire US arsenal (A2A weaponry) and in view of the present state of relation which Pak shares with US, it could be assumed they wont let PAF come anywhere near it (even if the relations improve somehow it remains to be seen if US planners would take the risk of Chinese coming and examining it)

Say what you have to say and believe what you believe, but F-16 is a weapons delivery platform and its effectiveness is depended on the potency of the weapons carried.

While a F-16 with AESA (and other passive sensors such as IRST, RWR, MAWS, ECCM etc), AIM-9X and AMRAAM 120D could be a nightmare, but F-16 with MMR, AIM-9L and AMRAAM-120C5 is a mere threat and nothing else. And a F-16 with neither Sidewinder nor AMRAAM is a joke(bomber)..

Wasn't at the time US was too much dependent on Pak for its operations in Afganistan (pursuit of OBL)....... needless to say Pak planners milked the situation and not just got themselves the planes (which were promised to them years ago), but also a bucket load of weapons........

Even if we keep aside the china issue, other questions prop up like

• why did PAF bought AIM-9L instead of AIM 9R/9X?
• If US didn't offered 9R/9X, than why so?

Now this is actually funny, an AMRAAM armed F-16 with APG-68 V (9)'s is a " mere threat", I hope most of the Indian airforce high command thinks in the same fashion as you, but just to clarify now PAF not only has the Aim 9 L, it also has the Aim-9 Mike-9, the last version before the Aim-9X --

Now you can talk all about the Chinese access to American technology, but what about the Chinese acess to the latest Russian technology, that you guys use, be it the R-73 or the likes and incorporating experiences in the new weapons that it produces --- Like you yourself said "Chinese are champs in reverse engineering" so what makes you think that the best that you operate hasn't already been reverse engineered ??

Anyways, I'd like to hear your opinion about how its just a "mere threat" when your airforce after all the "we will do this and that" never dared to do anything at the point in time where we didn't even officially possess our BVRAAM's ... (talking about the surgical strikes bantering by the IAF)

 

[gslv mk3]

THANK FULLY, the little "70" BVR-able F-16's can bring down about 70 - 100+ of your SU-30's

Epic BS post,as expected.