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Ex-military officers call for Musharraf to go

ISLAMABAD, Jan 31 (AFP) A group of retired Pakistani military officers Thursday urged President Musharraf to step down and hand over power to ousted chief justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry. The demand came at a meeting of the Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Society in Islamabad. “Musharraf should step down and hand over power to Justice Chaudhry, who is still constitutional chief justice,” former Pakistan Air Force chief Asghar Khan told reporters. He said Chaudhry should form a neutral caretaker government to supervise free and fair elections next month. “We do not recognize any electoral process under Musharraf and the present election commission,” Khan said. Former army chief General Mirza Aslam Beg, who headed the military from 1988 to 1991, said Musharraf had tarnished the image of the armed forces and called on all ex-servicemen to help restore it. “We should also work together to strengthen democracy by removing the only impediment in its way - Pervez Musharraf,” he told reporters Thursday.

- DAWN - Latest Stories; January 31, 2008
 
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Retired generals refuse to apologise,but want Musharraf to go

By Umar Cheema

ISLAMABAD: Several hundred retired armed forces men on Thursday urged their colleague, General (retd) Pervez Musharraf, to hand over power to the deposed Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry and join their ranks but most of their leaders refused to apologise for their past roles against democracy.

Led by some high-profile generals, air marshals and admirals, these ex-servicemen also demanded that retired Justice Bhagwandas be appointed as the Chief Election Commissioner and the detained nuclear scientist, Dr AQ Khan, be either released or tried in a court.

Except for retired Lt-Gen Hamid Gul, none of the leaders showed moral courage by making an admission of guilt or apologising to the nation for their past. They did not even feel any embarrassment on their roles when asked by newsmen at a press conference.

The former DG of ISI, Lt-Gen (retd) Hamid Gul, not only admitted the wrongdoings he had committed as a spy chief, he also submitted an apology to the nation and said he was ready for any punishment, even to be hanged.

“I am ready for a trial or even hanging,” Gul told the gathering of ex-servicemen in open door proceedings. His words, however, failed to move the other architects and supporters of martial law who were sitting on the stage. They included retired Lt-Gen Faiz Ali Chishti, Gen Mirza Aslam Beg, Air Marshal Asghar Khan, Lt-Gen Majid Malik and Lt-Gen Asad Durrani. They showed no remorse for their past conduct.

Air Marshal Asghar Khan, who awas presiding over the meeting, was annoyed when he was asked about his past role and whether he was ready to apologise. “These were individual acts of different individuals,” he responded.

He did not respond when a journalist questioned their moral authority to preach others when they did not feel embarrassed on the wrongdoings of their past. The convener of Thursday’s meeting, Brig (retd) Mehmood, who had said only a day earlier that he would offer an apology on behalf of all the ex-servicemen, remained seated on the stage with his head down, as if trying to avoid the media and had no courage to act on his words.

Although, the retired servicemen expressed solidarity with lawyers and journalists community, vowing to participate in their rallies, they gave no timeframe for launching a movement against Musharraf on their own. They instead said nothing had been decided as yet.

They even conceded that they might not do anything concrete in future. Asghar Khan said many of them had their near and dear ones in the government, a major hurdle in their way to call the spade a spade. Asghar Khan’s own brother, Farooq Rehmatullah, is the DG Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).

A demand raised by a retired navy commodore, Shahid Nawaz, also went unheeded. He had asked for en masse resignations of all ex-servicemen presently working in government departments. “If this strategy is not feasible, then out-of-job ex-servicemen should surrender all medals, awards and pension books to protest against Musharraf’s stay in power,” he demanded, but this demand also went unheard by the retired generals.

The Thursday’s meeting virtually turned into a comedy programme as it was marred by indiscipline largely by ex-servicemen, who would pick up quarrel with journalists when questions regarding their own accountability were put to the Chair Asghar Khan.

However, they did at least one job by hooting down a proposal that Lt-Gen (retd) Abdul Majeed Malik should be included in the committee that was to make a list of demands of Thursday’s meeting during the lunch break.

Air Marshal Asghar Khan, who was chairing the meeting, told a press briefing that ex-servicemen demanded stepping down of President Musharraf and that power should be handed over to the deposed Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry to hold elections under a neutral caretaker set-up.

Khan also demanded the re-constitution of the Election Commission of Pakistan with Justice Bhagwandas as its chief. Khan said the ex-servicemen would extend full support to the protest rallies staged by journalists and lawyers. The meeting demanded that disgraced hero, Dr AQ Khan, should be either released or tried in a court of law, instead of being kept under illegal detention.

Khan, however, remained uncomfortable while facing critical journalists with his colleagues sitting in the hall, yelling ‘planted question’ whenever a query about their accountability was put to him.

In most cases, he said: “We have not decided yet”. He refused to take questions on self-accountability and was pressed time and again that he himself was among the strong supporters of General Zia’s martial law and the person sitting next to him, Lt-Gen (retd) Faiz Ali Chishti, was Commander 10 Corps when Zia had taken over and later collaborated with him in all his acts.

Questioners also mentioned Gen (retd) Beg under whose stint as Army chief the Mehran Bank scandal took place and the then president had nominated his successor three months before Beg’s retirement as a pre-emptive measure keeping in view his political ambitions.

But neither Asghar Khan showed the grace to admit any wrongdoing nor did Chishti and Beg. Speaking on his own behalf and the two others, Khan said: “Whatever happened in the past has happened. There were individuals involved, not all ex-servicemen.”

Lt-Gen. (retd) Abdul Majid Malik, who spoke earlier, said many blunders were committed in the past but regretted that only the blunders committed by the Army had been exploited. Malik left the venue before the press conference when the majority of those present said ‘no’ to the proposal of nominating him as a committee member for furnishing the list of demands.

Retired generals refuse to apologise,but want Musharraf to go
 
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Blatant oppotunism. The only reason they are saying put the ex CJ in power now, is because

1) It's near election time
2) The ex-CJ is corrupt enough to fix the elections in their favour
3) They know Musharraf will win.

Let the international observers decide if the election vote has been rigged.

All these people are doing is causing more instability and weakening the Pak governmental authority to hold free and fair elections. Wait till after the elections before worrying about such things.
 
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Blatant oppotunism. The only reason they are saying put the ex CJ in power now, is because

1) It's near election time
2) The ex-CJ is corrupt enough to fix the elections in their favour
3) They know Musharraf will win.

Let the international observers decide if the election vote has been rigged.

All these people are doing is causing more instability and weakening the Pak governmental authority to hold free and fair elections. Wait till after the elections before worrying about such things.

Let me guess.....? you think mushy will step down after the elections.
 
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Let me guess.....? you think mushy will step down after the elections.

No, he'll win the elections that will be monitored by international observers. That's why they want him to stand down now. So he's not given the chance to be freely and fairly elected as leader of Pak.
 
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Elections are for parliament not for president. So question of Mush winning the elections or not doesn't arise. Somebody can correct me if I am wrong
 
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Elections are for parliament not for president. So question of Mush winning the elections or not doesn't arise. Somebody can correct me if I am wrong

You are right irfan, But as far as i am concern mushy must step down now, it is already too late
 
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Blatant oppotunism. The only reason they are saying put the ex CJ in power now, is because

1) It's near election time
2) The ex-CJ is corrupt enough to fix the elections in their favour
3) They know Musharraf will win.

Let the international observers decide if the election vote has been rigged.

All these people are doing is causing more instability and weakening the Pak governmental authority to hold free and fair elections. Wait till after the elections before worrying about such things.

Agreed :tup: these are all opportunists and corrupt people.
 
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I wonder why everyone including his old colleagues should now go for Musharraf jugular!

It is very extraordinary.

Are these chaps looking to replace him as the President?

The Chief Justice, lawyers, the politicians, the terrorists and now the retired of the military!!

Pakistan seems to want to isolate the very person who did something worthwhile for Pakistan!!
 
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No one is perfect in this world and so is Musharraf but over all he did some wonderful things for Pakistan.The people are with him and now he is a civilian President what else can he do?
 
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No one is perfect in this world and so is Musharraf but over all he did some wonderful things for Pakistan.The people are with him and now he is a civilian President what else can he do?

With the daily opposition growing against Musharraf, if the media is correct, then I wonder if ''the people of Pakistan" are with Musharraf.

I am all for Musharraf since I do not see any statesmanlike replacement, be it democratic replacement or otherwise.

Now, even the military is seen to be against Musharraf.

Therefore, I get little consolation by the statement "the people of Pakistan" are with Musharraf. That does not appear to be the case if the groundswell is anything to go by.

What does the vernacular press have to say?
 
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Now, even the military is seen to be against Musharraf.

not correct! the army chief and the president are on the same wave-length (so far). we have to wait till after the elections to see what happens!. there are reports that both PPP and PML-N are willing to work with the president but the unfortunate part is that both parties keep changing their positions on a daily basis (politicians!)
 
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I dont know even a single Pakistan who like Musharraf.He is the most unpopular man in pakistan .Some of you might like him but the fact is that People only know Musharrafs era as the time in which ..

Pakistan suffered from

1)Gas shortage
2)Electricity crisis
3)Floor crisis
4) sugar crisis
5) Steel mill and stock exchange scandal.
6)Record corruption(amnesty international).110 billion Rupees(2 billion $) loans of Q leageans forgiven.
7)Federation crisis
8) Lal masjid fiasco,Akbar bugti killing,FATA balochistan operation.
9)SUICIDE BOMBINGS.
10)Pakistans territorial violation by AMERICA.
11)Illegal steps against JUDICIARY and MEDIA.
12)Destroying of ARMY's CREDIBILITY.
13)Not a single MW has been added since Mushrraf CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE

ALLL OF THIS AND MUCH MORE.
and all I know the good things he has done is only in Education and Few reserves.
 
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I'm not sure about this one.

My gut instinct tells me that Ifthikar Chaudry would make a good interim leader on the basis of his prinicples but running a country is different from running the supreme court.

For example what would his policy be on terrorism and the FATA situation.

Plus half of those who support him are only shameless opportunists who want to remove Musharraf from power for their own personal gains.

I could see a struggle for power between these various factions of political parties emerging.
 
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I dont know even a single Pakistan who like Musharraf.He is the most unpopular man in pakistan .Some of you might like him but the fact is that People only know Musharrafs era as the time in which ..

Pakistan suffered from

1)Gas shortage
2)Electricity crisis
3)Floor crisis
4) sugar crisis
5) Steel mill and stock exchange scandal.
6)Record corruption(amnesty international).110 billion Rupees(2 billion $) loans of Q leageans forgiven.
7)Federation crisis
8) Lal masjid fiasco,Akbar bugti killing,FATA balochistan operation.
9)SUICIDE BOMBINGS.
10)Pakistans territorial violation by AMERICA.
11)Illegal steps against JUDICIARY and MEDIA.
12)Destroying of ARMY's CREDIBILITY.
13)Not a single MW has been added since Mushrraf CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE

ALLL OF THIS AND MUCH MORE.
and all I know the good things he has done is only in Education and Few reserves.

What and it hasn't before?

These are mostly long term problems or the result of those problems Mosabja at least Musharraf had the guts to try and sort things out.
 
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