Ex-ISI Chief Says Purpose of New Afghan Intelligence Agency RAMA Is ‘to destabilize P

[Spitfighter]

I never said India isn't capitalizing on Pakistan's current predicament, of course it is. We have no choice.

But I see nothing in that article of yours about the 'Hindu ideology' you were talking about.

Why don't you address that first? or better yet just admit that you hate the religion and we'll call it a day.

 

[Xeric]

I never said India isn't capitalizing on Pakistan's current predicament, of course it is. We have no choice.

But I see nothing in that article of yours about the 'Hindu ideology' you were talking about.

Why don't you address that first? or better yet just admit that you hate the religion and we'll call it a day.

Hey dumb head, was the reply directed to you?

Open your eyes and brain if you have any.

 

[Spitfighter]

Hey dumb head, was the reply directed to you?

Open your eyes and brain if you have any.

Can't defend your rant can you? Hindu ideology, lol. You should keep your nonsense to yourself if you can't back it up.

You're the one that needs to open his eyes, this hate will get you no where. Although from the quality of your posts, I doubt you're going places anyway.

 

[Xeric]

More ever the Opium and Oil are the wepons of WAR. You may win a battle with red hot wepons but to win a war you surely need these(OIL and Drug Money) .

Correct.

Holding a piece of land as a trophy of an victorious war was the norms of the past, today you need physical expends that you can make use of logically or illogically, legally or illegally, while keeping the 'the end justifies the start' rule in effect and also while keeping the home safe and prosperous by the virtue/utilization of the booty of war.

 

[muse]

Riyasaat = Directorate

Amniyaat = Security

Milli = National

NDS -- National Directorate of Security

Hamid Gul is a entirely partisan, it's Ok if you just want to vent and use what Hamid Gul has to say to protect those he is close to (we all know who they are) -- but think long and hard, Afghanistan need not be hostile or adversarial, we owe it to ourselves to ensure that Afghanistan and ser security services will be our ally.

 

[EjazR]

Riyasaat = Directorate

Amniyaat = Security

Milli = National

NDS -- National Directorate of Security

Hamid Gul is a entirely partisan, it's Ok if you just want to vent and use what Hamid Gul has to say to protect those he is close to (we all know who they are) -- but think long and hard, Afghanistan need not be hostile or adversarial, we owe it to ourselves to ensure that Afghanistan and ser security services will be our ally.

A refreshing post of knowledge in a thread full of ignorance.
A similar agency was KhAD as well (Khadamat-e Etela'at-e Dawlati or State Information Agency ). Its just an acronym for God's sake.

If some police department uses a battering ram to break open a door, will that indicate an Indian connection?

Even if there was some co operation going on between NDS (or RAM) and India, saying that your "proof" is Ram is revered as a god in Hinduism would be surefire to make you a laughing stock in any international forum. So my suggestion is to present some other proof that this.

 

[Awesome]

Guys remember the one simple rule this forum asks you to observe. Talk on topic and not comment anything about the people you're talking with. Stick to it, criticize anything all you want, just stick to topic.

 

[Developereo]

Afghanistan need not be hostile or adversarial, we owe it to ourselves to ensure that Afghanistan and ser security services will be our ally.

Leaving aside the acronym gymnastics, the fact remains that
- Afghan government is full of Indian puppets.
- India is winning Afghan hearts and minds.
- India has tacit NATO support for its anti-Pakistan campaign.

It would be naive to ignore the threat from Afghanistan. The solution, of course, is to launch our own charm offensive, especially with Iran. Afghanistan is too deeply entrenched in the Indian camp for now, but Iran is an easier challenge.

We should use the India-Israel friendship to weaken Iran-India ties and to bring Iran into our camp. If Iran becomes pro-Pakistan, then Afghanistan will become completely isolated and quickly jump ship to our side.

Iran doesn't care about our US "alliance". They know we are working with the US only out of necessity, not choice. But as long as we are perceived as a pro-Saudi Sunni state, Iran will prefer India over Pakistan.

 

[bandit]

Can't defend your rant can you? Hindu ideology, lol. You should keep your nonsense to yourself if you can't back it up.

You're the one that needs to open his eyes, this hate will get you no where. Although from the quality of your posts, I doubt you're going places anyway.

I dont think our authority on Hinduism has anything to say now. He just quits the discussion if he cant handle it. All he replies back is by calling crude names...let it rest now that the point is made.

 

[fatman17]

Lt.Gen(r) Hamid Gul is an Islamist (read jihadist) who is still smarting from his removal as Head of ISI by the then CoAS Gen. Asif Nawaz. when Hamid Gul was transferred to head HIT-Taxila, he refused - later explaining why he refused to accept the posting to HIT, he said he was not a "factory manager".

 

[Bhushan]

Riyasaat = Directorate

Amniyaat = Security

Milli = National

NDS -- National Directorate of Security

Hamid Gul is a entirely partisan, it's Ok if you just want to vent and use what Hamid Gul has to say to protect those he is close to (we all know who they are) -- but think long and hard, Afghanistan need not be hostile or adversarial, we owe it to ourselves to ensure that Afghanistan and ser security services will be our ally.

Informative post sir. Thank you for shading some light on real topic.

Thats how a Think Tank has to behave, provide new information and think what an Average Joe can't do. Think tanks are supposed to be the most intelligent thinkers. (but some are not, they are just trolls)

 

[Xeric]

A refreshing post of knowledge in a thread full of ignorance.
A similar agency was KhAD as well (Khadamat-e Etela'at-e Dawlati or State Information Agency ). Its just an acronym for God's sake.

If some police department uses a battering ram to break open a door, will that indicate an Indian connection?

Even if there was some co operation going on between NDS (or RAM) and India, saying that your "proof" is Ram is revered as a god in Hinduism would be surefire to make you a laughing stock in any international forum. So my suggestion is to present some other proof that this.

Are you guys actually nuts or you just dont want to understand?

Jana was just being sarcastic that the name (RAMA) is showing a hindu connection to the agency. But then more trolls jumped in and stuck to the hinduism 'ideology' which was never being discussed and started asking what hinduism is all about. Now the same trolls are trying scapegoating and blame others for their stupid questions which answered at the cost of derailing the thread. But then ofcourse as they dont want to let the actual topic to be discussed so they still want to provoke others so that the thread gets properly derailed.

But the strange thing is that you who never was available in the start just came busting in and without seeing, observing and thinking jumped into the same shyt of discussion regarding the Ram-hindu connection and are again trying to justify a point which was said in sarcasm by Jana. This is the level of discussion that you want to have and then you and others alike blame others for killing the thread. How lovely!

 

[Patriot]

Lt.Gen(r) Hamid Gul is an Islamist (read jihadist) who is still smarting from his removal as Head of ISI by the then CoAS Gen. Asif Nawaz. when Hamid Gul was transferred to head HIT-Taxila, he refused - later explaining why he refused to accept the posting to HIT, he said he was not a "factory manager".

and His claim to fame is Afghan Jihad in reality he did not do much.Just took the credit from General Akther Abdur Rehman.By the time he came in Afghan Jihad was long over then setup failed operation to capture Jallabad.Not sure how this guy got stars!I am glad Asif Nawaz kicked his sorry ***.

 

[LiberalPakistani]

and His claim to fame is Afghan Jihad in reality he did not do much.Just took the credit from General Akther Abdur Rehman.By the time he came in Afghan Jihad was long over then setup failed operation to capture Jallabad.Not sure how this guy got stars!I am glad Asif Nawaz kicked his sorry ***.

dude go read some history before posting your BLAH BLAH BLAH there are no other like him that would risk thier children for Afghan war that's what Hamid Gul did give him some respect Afghan Jihad was a win for Pakistan's inter-service-intelligence with "CIA" help only money that didn't matter much because we had the will to fight

 

[Patriot]

I'd rather tell you to read history.Afghan war was a master piece of General Akhther Abdur Rehman and Brig Yousaf.It had nothing to do with General Hamid Gul.