Everyone must sing ‘Vande Mataram’, insists BJP minister who is unable to sing it himself

[Bibo]

Dimwits who impose rules on others but can't follow themselves. Includes Nazis, Fascists, Stalinist, Maoists etc etc.

Cool ........... so in this case the "dimwit" is the BJP minister , right ?

so, BJP Minister = Nazi = Fascist = Stalinist

Meanwhile when did the BJP Minister refuse to sing the song ? Or does not remembering the full song, make him a "Nazi" ?

 

[scorpionx]

Cool ........... so in this case the "dimwit" is the BJP minister , right ?

so, BJP Minister = Nazi = Fascist = Stalinist

Meanwhile when did the BJP Minister refuse to sing the song ? Or does not remembering the full song, make him a "Nazi" ?

Yes. It makes him one of those dimwits (Nazi Gaultiers is just a parallel) to whom national anthem means nothing but utmost necessary for others to prove their patriotism.

 

[Bibo]

Yes. It makes him one of those dimwits (Nazi Gaultiers is just a parallel) to whom national anthem means nothing but utmost necessary for others to prove their patriotism.

1. So by your own admission you DID use Godwin's law due to lack of anything substantial to say about him.

2. The obvious conclusion being that you were guided by hate rather than logic.

3. Vande Mataram is National Song, not national anthem. Jana Gana Mana is National anthem.

4. No proof of patriotism was asked, only the directive to ensure kids are taught the national song in school and to ensure that they sing it on Independence day.

5. So if we look beyond your Hyperbole and rhetorics, your post is just a bundle of either ignorant misinformation and ignorance or Deliberate misinformation, Lies and hate.

So which is it ? you plead Ignorance or Hate ?

 

[t_for_talli]

Everyone must sing ‘Vande Mataram’, insists BJP minister who is unable to sing it himself
Another minister can barely recite the song, with mangled lyrics.



There is a rising demand among BJP ministers to make Vande Mantaram mandatory in all schools of the country. Unfortunately, some of the active propagators of this agenda are themselves unable to deliver when they’re asked to “prove their nationalism” by singing the poem from Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay’s Anandamath.

And that’s what happened during a Newsroom debate with India Today anchor Rahul Kanwal, when UP Minister of State for Minority Welfare, the BJP’s Baldev Singh Aulakh, was asked to sing four lines. A video (above) shows that Aulakh applied every tactic to get himself out of singing, though he kept insisting that every citizen of the country must sing the National Song.

The anchor even stopped the debate midway and asked the minister pointedly, several times, whether he knew the song or not. Aulakh kept deflecting the question, and made up one excuse after another to avoid singing the song, including the NDA government, Independence Day celebrations, not wanting a certificate for singing, a performance over the telephone for the anchor, and much, much more.

Elsewhere, BJP Minister Raj Purohit in Maharashtra, who had previously made a furore outside the State Assembly, was also asked to sing Vande Mataram. This is what he came up with (below):




Followit
SwarTz Mooha @CyberAnonymous
TimesNow: This is what happened when BJP MLA Raj Purohit was asked to Vande Mataram #VandeMataramForAll

6:52 PM - Aug 11, 2017

https://video.scroll.in/846997/watc...bjp-minister-who-is-unable-to-sing-it-himself

He might have forgotten the lyrics that does not mean he is unwilling to sing.
Thing logically with your mind and no blind biased hatred

 

[ashok321]

Muslim cleric opposes Independence Day directive for madarsas:

 

[Loafer]

Muslim cleric opposes Independence Day directive for madarsas:

In your opinion, is he right or wrong?

Dimwits who impose rules on others but can't follow themselves. Includes Nazis, Fascists, Stalinist, Maoists etc etc.

Can we add seculars as well? We have enough evidence they are in same category.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Although I understand haters's conspicuous reason for hatred towards RSS being a Pro Hindu orgn yet reading might help.

Not to forget no other minority demanded a separate country but majority of minority especially mainlanders from India. We didn't know then that unability of many to move to Pakistan that time for being a Pakistani (by blood) in a India would become a curse on our face. But time will come once more to send them to Mulk e Jannat which they envision day in day out living here in India & reaping all its benefits while cursing it most of the time for falling a Pro Hindu rule Post 2014.

The hatred for RSS is for its anti-Indian stance, its idea of India.

Well you seem to forget that there was a minority community(Sikhs) who wanted a separate country. There may be others but this came to my mind quite early. And it is indeed a curse that this country is in great distress thanks to Shakha graduates. I hope a day will come when the Sanghi filth is eliminated for good.

Of late, it has become fashionable for the old establishment media, in their new avatars, to spread the line that the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and its leaders did not participate in the freedom struggle. So, we have an articlewhich authoritatively claims that ‘Hedgewar, the freedom fighter, was a pre-RSS Congressman, arrested and sentenced to a year’s imprisonment for his role in the Khilafat movement (1919-1924) – and that was his last participation in the freedom struggle.’

Here is the picture of Dr Hedgewar, in 1930, that is five years after he started the RSS, participating in the forest Satyagraha launched by Mahatma Gandhi.

Dr Hedgewar participating in the 1930 satyagraha against the British

In 1930, when the Sangh was five years old, the Congress, having passed the resolution for complete independence a year earlier in December 1929, had announced that it would celebrate 26 January, 1930, as Independence Day. Following this, Dr Hedgewar wrote to all the Sangh officials:

The Congress has declared ‘independence’ to be its goal and the Congress Working Committee has announced that 26 January 1930 be celebrated as ‘independence day’ throughout the country. It is but natural that all of us should feel heartened that this all-India national body has come close to its goal of independence. It is, therefore, our duty to cooperate with any organisation that works keeping this purpose foremost. Therefore all shakas of the RSS should organise the gathering of all the Swayam Sevaks at six ‘o clock in the evening and salute the national flag which is the saffron flag. The true meaning of independence and how to present its goal must form the essence of the talk. Since we have accepted this goal of the Congress, the party must be congratulated for it. The report of this programme must be sent to us. (Dr Hedgewar’s letter dated 21-January-1930, Rakesh Sinha, Dr Keshav Baliram Hedgewar, Publications Division, 2015, p.95)
For those who would like to criticise Dr Hedgewar for calling the saffron flag as the national flag, let us remember that a year later in April 1931, the Congress Working Committee would appoint a flag committee which would also include Moulana Abul Kalam Azad and it would recommend the saffron flag as the national flag in its final report with the following words:

We felt that the flag must be distinctive, artistic, rectangular and non-communal. Opinion has been unanimous that our national flag should be of a single colour except for the colour of the device. If there is one colour that is more acceptable to the Indians as a whole, even as it is more distinctive than another, one that is associated with this ancient country by long tradition, it is the Kesari or saffron colour. ...
The Sangh as an organisation nevertheless kept away from all agitation-based politics. Not only did it keep away from Congress agitations it also never took part in the Hindu Maha Sabha ones. When the Maha Sabha announced its agitation against the Nizam, the Bhaganagar Satyagraha, the RSS refrained from participating in it.

A prominent former member of the RSS from Poona, who was with the Hindu Maha Sabha then, was very angry with the RSS for this. His name was Nathuram Vinayak Godse. He openly accused the RSS of frittering away the Hindu energy. Despite great respect that the Sangh had for Veer Savarkar, on 8 April 1940, in Poona, the RSS head Bhaurao Deshmukh gave a reply to the fringe elements in the Hindu Maha Sabha:

First of all, I wish to tell the malicious minds that the RSS is neither a military force for the Hindus nor the military wing of the Hindu Mahasabha. The Sangh’s endeavor is to make the Hindus nationalists in the true sense...
It is interesting to note that though individual leaders of the Congress and Hindu Mahasabha praised the RSS for its discipline, the absence of untouchability and the services it rendered, both the organisations wanted the Sangh to be under their political control. When the RSS refused to play party, scouts for both the parties, the Indian National Congress and the Hindu Mahasabha accused the Sangh of being communal and anti-Hindu respectively.

Bose and Hedgewar

Despite strict non-involvement of the RSS in political movements directly, the Sangh was ready to help any political movement indirectly by supplying its cadre and allowing it to give their faculties and facilities, provided it worked for the cause of India’s welfare. Trailokyanath Chakravarty (1889–1970) was a Bengali revolutionary and freedom fighter. He met Dr Hedgewar who promised him that Sangh would provide him with cadre for the future revolution he was planning. (Satyavrata Ghosh, Remembering our revolutionaries, Marxist Study Forum, 1994 p.57) Sangh also helped Rajguru when the revolutionary lived as a fugitive.

Those in the Congress who could not rise above the pettiness of sectarian politics had passed the resolution in 1934 that their members could not join the RSS. Eminent historian Dr Kanchanmoy Mojumdar reveals that four years after the resolution of the Congress against the RSS, 'Bose reportedly sent emissaries to Hedgewar in 1939, perhaps seeking his help for an armed uprising.'

‘Modern Review’ (March 1941) records that ‘Dr Hedgewar died in Nagpur of high blood pressure at the age of 51 only. Just one day before his death Subhas Chandra Bose went to see him.’

‘Guruji’ Golwalkar was different from Dr Hedgewar in his approach to politics. Unlike Dr Hedgewar who came from the background of the Calcutta-based revolutionary group Anuseelan Samiti, Golwalkar had taken spiritual initiation from Swami Akandananda, a direct disciple of Sri Ramakrishna. Swami Akandananda was known for his humanitarian services.

‘Guruji’ Golwalkar’s Guru (right) was a direct disciple of Sri Ramakrishna. He was moved by the condition of a Muslim girl in famine and decided to serve humanity in that very village, suspending the pilgrimage he was undertaking.

Golwalkar shunned politics. He was more into organisation building. This was the time when politics too had changed in the national arena. The threat of Partition had become very real. Along with the ‘Quit India’ movement, the fate of Hindus and Sikhs in the provinces of Western Punjab and Eastern Bengal, was becoming worrisome.

In the eventuality of Partition, towards which the events were fast gravitating despite the bravado and empty sentimental rhetoric of Congress leaders, the Hindus and Sikhs in Western Punjab, as well as Hindus and Buddhist tribes in East Bengal needed to be protected and safeguarded. So, Guruji Golwalkar felt the need to spread and strengthen the organisation. As the RSS baiters never tire of repeating, 'Anderson and Damle point out that Golwalkar believed that the British should not be given any excuse to ban the RSS.'

The old media in its new online webzines recycle the statement of Guruji Golwalkar regarding the 1942 movement. The writer of the latest piece in The Wire quotes:

“In 1942 also there was a strong sentiment in the hearts of many…. Sangh is an organisation of inactive persons, their talks are useless, not only outsiders but also many of our volunteers did talk like this. They were greatly disgusted too.”
But the quote leaves out two important sentences: “At that time too, the routine work of the Sangh continued. Sangh decided not to do anything directly.” The operational term here is that the Sangh decided not to do anything directly. The British Intelligence reports did say that they could not find any evidence to connect RSS as an organisation with the 1942 uprising. Nevertheless, the police did record many anti-British speeches made at the RSS training camps during the same period.

The British Intelligence reported that on 27 April 1942, at the training camp of the RSS at Pune ‘Golwalkar condemned those who were selfishly helping the British Government.’ On 28 April 1942, he declared that the Sangh has resolved to do its duty even if the whole world goes against it and impressed on the volunteers that they must be ready to sacrifice their lives for the cause of the country. (No.D. Home Pol. (Intelligence) Section F. No. 28 Pol).

Another report of the Home Department, Pol. F. No. 28/3/43-Pol (I) shows the anti-British nature prevailing at the RSS camp at Jubbalpore where a speaker proclaimed that the aim of the Sangh was to drive the British out of India and the sentiment was repeated by other speakers.

Achyut Patwardan, Nana Patil and Aruna Asaf Ali were some of the prominent freedom fighters of Quit India Movement who stayed in the houses of important RSS leaders during their struggle.

Many freedom fighters received vital assistance from the RSS. Aruna Asaf Ali took asylum in the house of Lala Hans Raj Gupta, and Nana Patil was protected by Pandit Damodar Satavalekar and Sane Guruji stayed with Bhausaheb Deshmukh and Babasaheb Apte.

On 16 August 1942, at Chimur in Maharashtra, many RSS workers participated directly in a Quit India agitation which resulted in a brutal suppression by the British. Dada Naik, who was also the head of the Chimur RSS branch, was sentenced to death by the British. The Hindu Mahasabha leader Dr N B Khare took up his case with the authorities. Ramdas Rampure, another RSS cadre, was shot dead by the British.

Confidential reports blamed two persons for these uprisings. One was Dada Naik who, the report said, was 'was largely behind the recent disturbances' and the other was Sant Tukdoji Maharaj, who was closely associated with the RSS, and was suspected to have been involved in disturbances at Chimur. Later Sant Tukdoji Maharaj became one of the co-founders of the Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP).

Sant Tukdoji Maharaj (right) is seen here with Sant Gaadge Maharaj. Both were fierce social reformers. Tukodji Maharaj was associated with the RSS and was targeted by the British. He sang not only about the Divine and freedom. He also sang Bhajans on the need for hygiene and the need for toilets.

That Guruji Golwalkar did not blame the British overtly for India’s downfall is another canard spread by the old media. In fact, throughout his term as the head of the RSS, he took extraordinary care not to blame external agencies for any of the problems of Hindu society and also the Sangh. For example, in the case of religious conversions, he forbade his followers to put the blame on Christians and Muslims. In this context he stated:

Many workers appear to take delight in blaming others for all ills. Some may put the blame on the political perversities, others on the aggressive activities of the Christians or Muslims and such other faiths. Let our workers keep their minds free from such tendencies and work for our people and our Dharma in the right spirit, lend a helping hand to all our brethren who need help and strive to relieve distress wherever we see it. [Bunch of Thoughts, p.277]
When the ban on RSS could not be legally sustained by the Nehru government and was lifted, Guruji said to the cadre, who uttered intemperate words about Nehru, thus:
Do not let your minds be overcome with bitterness for those who, you feel, have done injustice to you. If the teeth were to bite the tongue do we pull out the teeth? Even those who have done injustice to us are our own people. So we must forget and forgive.

: ‘Guruji’ Golwalkar with Ram Manohar Lohia: Photo courtesy Tapan Gosh. ​

‘Guruji’ Golwalkar with Sant Tukdoji Maharaj during the founding of the VHP

The Wire’s article associates this view of Guruji Golwalkar with the Bengal famine. Here it should be remembered that during the Bengal famine it was Dr Shyamaprasad Mukherjee, a Hindu Mahasabha leader, closer to the RSS than others, who was instrumental in fighting the famine through relief centres. Madhusree Mukerjee had brought to light the agony Shyamprasad Mukherjee felt and the service he rendered during the famine in her classic ‘Churchill’s Secret War’ (Tranquebar, 2010). British historian James Hartfield points out that Mukherjee called on the cultivators not to sell to government agents, saying 'the bureaucracy has taken away the food for the army and for exports'. He also points out that many of Bose supporters worked in the relief centres run by Shyamaprasad Mukherjee.

His magnanimity and ability to rise above the partisan interests reached a new height when during the Chinese aggression, he declared that in that hour of crisis instead of criticising we should stand with the government. ‘We are a hundred and five more’, he quoted Mahabharata. The stopping of a serial which bitterly attacked Nehru’s blunders on the Chinese aggression, in the RSS magazine ‘Organiser’, made Sitaram Goel, a great intellectual and a fearless historian, a lifelong bitter critic of the Sangh.

However, the services which the RSS rendered to the Indian army, made Nehru revise his own views of the RSS. The Prime Minister who had declared that he would not give even a single inch of land for their flag in the country now invited RSS to participate in the Republic day parade.

References:

-Dina Nath Mishra, RSS: Myth and Reality, Vikas Publishing House, 1980
-Kavita Narawane, The Great Betrayal, 1966-1977, Popular Prakashan, 1980
-C.P.Bhishikar, Shri Guruji, Pioneer of a new era, Sahitya Sindhu Prakashana, Bangalore, 1999
-Kanchanmoy Mojumdar, Saffron versus green: communal politics in the Central --Provinces and Berar, 1919-1947, Manohar, 2003
-James Heartfield, Unpatriotic History of the Second World War , London, Zer0 Books, 2012
-Rakesh Sinha, Builders of Modern India: Dr. Keshav Baliram Hedgewar, Publications Division, 2015
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LOL The moment someone starts writing an article with "it has become fashionable" then one can clearly understand what's ahead and the calibre of the author. Since no link is provided, I believe he could be "freelance" "part time" amateur writer. The article has nothing concrete which shows that RSS fought and participated in the freedom struggle. Infact the writer inadvertently accepts that RSS played no role in Quit India movement. The below is a quote from the article.

The British Intelligence reports did say that they could not find any evidence to connect RSS as an organisation with the 1942 uprising.

Indeed the writer worked very hard to find some scraps here and there to "prove" that RSS leaders(not the organisation) did aid freedom fighters.

Anyways believing that this is all the poster was able to conjure. I would want to know his views on mercy petitions of Savarkar.

Savarkar had begged the British for mercy - Times of India
Text of Savarkar's mercy petition to the British

Hegdewar contribution in freedom struggle was when he was a Congress member.

Interestingly, the ‘contribution’ to the freedom struggle for which the BJP Government honoured Hedgewar was made by him as a Congressman long before he founded the RSS in 1925. It may not be known to many that he went to jail for the first time for giving an inflammatory speech in support of the Khilafat Movement (1920-21)

Some other excerpts

The contemporary writings and speeches of the RSS leaders have a very different story to tell. These leaders showed little enthusiasm for the anti-British struggle. Golwalkar, while deliberating about the attitude of the RSS towards the freedom struggle said:

“There is another reason for the need of always remaining involved in routine work. There is some unrest in the mind due to the situation developing in the country from time to time. There was such unrest in 1942. Before that there was the movement in 1930-31. At that time many other people had gone to Doctorji. This delegation requested Doctorji that this movement will give independence and Sangh should not lag behind. At that time, when a gentleman told Doctorji that he was ready to go to jail, Doctorji said: ‘Definitely go. But who will take care of your family then?’ That gentleman replied: ‘I have sufficiently arranged resources not only to run the family expenses for two years but also to pay fines according to the requirements’. Then Doctorji told him: ‘If you have fully arranged for the resources then come out to work for the Sangh for two years’. After returning home that gentleman neither went to jail nor came out to work for the Sangh.”[ Shri Guruji Samagar Darshan, (collected works of Golwalkar in Hindi), Vol IV, Bharatiya Vichar Sadhana, Nagpur, nd, pp. 39-40. Hereafter referred as SGSD.]

“After establishing Sangh, Doctor Saheb in his speeches used to talk only of Hindu organization. Direct comment on Government used to be almost nil.”[ Sanghavriksh Ke Beej, p. 24.]

Source: http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2015/07/...h-rule-in-india-did-nothing-for-independence/

Hindu Mahasabha, RSS stayed away from freedom struggle: Historian

So basically RSS never participated in freedom struggle. Infact its sister concern was against Quit India movement.

Hindu Mahasabha actively opposed Quit India movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quit_India_Movement#Opposition_to_the_Quit_India_Movement

Mukherjee wrote a letter to the British Government as to how they should respond to "Quit India" movement.

"Shyam Prasad ended the letter with a discussion of the mass movement organised by the Congress. He expressed the apprehension that the movement would create internal disorder and will endanger internal security during the war by exciting popular feeling and he opined that any government in power has to suppress it, but that according to him could not be done only by persecution ... In that letter he mentioned item-wise the steps to be taken for dealing with the situation"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syama_Prasad_Mukherjee#Opposition_to_Quit_India_Movement

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) kept aloof from the Congress-led anti-British Indian independence movement since its founding by K.B. Hedgewar in 1925. In 1942, the RSS, under M.S. Golwalkar refused to join in the Quit India Movement. The Bombay government appreciated the RSS position by noting that,

"the Sangh has scrupulously kept itself within the law, and in particular, has refrained from taking part in the disturbances that broke out in August 1942"."

The British Government also asserted that at Sangh meetings organized during the times of anti-British movements started and fought by the Indian National Congress,

"speakers urged the Sangh members to keep aloof from the congress movement and these instructions were generally observed"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quit_India_Movement#No_support_to_the_Quit_India_Movement

So Sangh and Indian freedom movement are two opposite poles...

You can carry on feeding that shit to your fellow Sanghis who I am sure will appreciate it

 

[padamchen]

The hatred for RSS is for its anti-Indian stance, its idea of India.

Well you seem to forget that there was a minority community which wanted a separate country. And it is indeed a curse that this country is in great distress thanks to Shakha graduates. I hope a day will come when the Sanghi filth is eliminated for good.


LOL The moment someone starts writing an article with "it has become fashionable" then one can clearly understand what's ahead and the calibre of the author. Since no link is provided, I believe he could be "freelance" "part time" amateur writer. The article has nothing concrete which shows that RSS fought and participated in the freedom struggle. Infact the writer probably inadvertently accepts that RSS played no role in Quit India movement. The below is a quote from the article.



Indeed the writer worked very hard to find some scraps here and there to "prove" that RSS leaders(not the organisation) did aid freedom fighters.

Anyways believing that this is all the poster was able to conjure. I would want to know his views on mercy petitions of Savarkar.

Savarkar had begged the British for mercy - Times of India
Text of Savarkar's mercy petition to the British

Hegdewar contribution in freedom struggle was when he was a Congress member.

Interestingly, the ‘contribution’ to the freedom struggle for which the BJP Government honoured Hedgewar was made by him as a Congressman long before he founded the RSS in 1925. It may not be known to many that he went to jail for the first time for giving an inflammatory speech in support of the Khilafat Movement (1920-21)

Some other excerpts

The contemporary writings and speeches of the RSS leaders have a very different story to tell. These leaders showed little enthusiasm for the anti-British struggle. Golwalkar, while deliberating about the attitude of the RSS towards the freedom struggle said:

“There is another reason for the need of always remaining involved in routine work. There is some unrest in the mind due to the situation developing in the country from time to time. There was such unrest in 1942. Before that there was the movement in 1930-31. At that time many other people had gone to Doctorji. This delegation requested Doctorji that this movement will give independence and Sangh should not lag behind. At that time, when a gentleman told Doctorji that he was ready to go to jail, Doctorji said: ‘Definitely go. But who will take care of your family then?’ That gentleman replied: ‘I have sufficiently arranged resources not only to run the family expenses for two years but also to pay fines according to the requirements’. Then Doctorji told him: ‘If you have fully arranged for the resources then come out to work for the Sangh for two years’. After returning home that gentleman neither went to jail nor came out to work for the Sangh.”[ Shri Guruji Samagar Darshan, (collected works of Golwalkar in Hindi), Vol IV, Bharatiya Vichar Sadhana, Nagpur, nd, pp. 39-40. Hereafter referred as SGSD.]

“After establishing Sangh, Doctor Saheb in his speeches used to talk only of Hindu organization. Direct comment on Government used to be almost nil.”[ Sanghavriksh Ke Beej, p. 24.]

Source: http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2015/07/...h-rule-in-india-did-nothing-for-independence/

Hindu Mahasabha, RSS stayed away from freedom struggle: Historian

So basically RSS never participated in freedom struggle. Infact its sister concern was against Quit India movement.

Hindu Mahasabha actively opposed Quit India movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quit_India_Movement#Opposition_to_the_Quit_India_Movement

Mukherjee wrote a letter to the British Government as to how they should respond to "Quit India" movement.

"Shyam Prasad ended the letter with a discussion of the mass movement organised by the Congress. He expressed the apprehension that the movement would create internal disorder and will endanger internal security during the war by exciting popular feeling and he opined that any government in power has to suppress it, but that according to him could not be done only by persecution ... In that letter he mentioned item-wise the steps to be taken for dealing with the situation"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syama_Prasad_Mukherjee#Opposition_to_Quit_India_Movement

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) kept aloof from the Congress-led anti-British Indian independence movement since its founding by K.B. Hedgewar in 1925. In 1942, the RSS, under M.S. Golwalkar refused to join in the Quit India Movement. The Bombay government appreciated the RSS position by noting that,

"the Sangh has scrupulously kept itself within the law, and in particular, has refrained from taking part in the disturbances that broke out in August 1942"."

The British Government also asserted that at Sangh meetings organized during the times of anti-British movements started and fought by the Indian National Congress,

"speakers urged the Sangh members to keep aloof from the congress movement and these instructions were generally observed"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quit_India_Movement#No_support_to_the_Quit_India_Movement

So Sangh and Indian freedom movement are two opposite poles...

You can carry on feeding that shit to your fellow Sanghis who I am sure will appreciate it

I would give you a positive rating for this meticulously researched post if I could.

Please make do with a Thanks instead.

The RSS is a bunch of Nazi wannabe Brahmins who imported that toxic ideology wholesale into India to compensate for their inability to answer as to how and why a nation as large and populous as India fell repeatedly to foreign invaders, and was ruled by them for a thousand years.

Was it just gutless cowardice of a large proportion of the populace (pockets of valor and resistance notwithstanding ...)?

Or was it connivance and collaboration to maintain the status quo at the apex of Brahmanical society, without upsetting the only apple cart that really mattered. Their stranglehold over Hindu hierarchical society. Regardless of who sat in the seat of political power?

The blinkerless well-read already know the answer to that ....

Freedom fighters my left ... foot?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Bibo]

I would give you a positive rating for this meticulously researched post if I could.

Please make do with a Thanks instead.

The RSS is a bunch of Nazi wannabe Brahmins who imported that toxic ideology wholesale into India to compensate for their ability to answer as to how and why a nation as large and populous as India fell repeatedly to foreign invaders, and was ruled by them for a thousand years.

Was it just gutless cowardice of a large proportion of the populace (pockets of valor and resistance notwithstanding ...)?

Or was it connivance and collaboration to maintain the status quo at the apex of Brahmanical society, without upsetting the only apple cart that really mattered. Their stranglehold over Hindu hierarchical society. Regardless of who sat in the seat of political power?

The blinkerless well-read already know the answer to that ....

Freedom fighters my left ... foot?

Cheers, Doc

So does this long Rant means you will be singing "Vande Mataram" ?

 

[scorpionx]

In your opinion, is he right or wrong?



Can we add seculars as well? We have enough evidence they are in same category.

Yes. We can add those 'seculars' as well.

 

[Loafer]

I would give you a positive rating for this meticulously researched post if I could.

Please make do with a Thanks instead.

The RSS is a bunch of Nazi wannabe Brahmins who imported that toxic ideology wholesale into India to compensate for their inability to answer as to how and why a nation as large and populous as India fell repeatedly to foreign invaders, and was ruled by them for a thousand years.

Was it just gutless cowardice of a large proportion of the populace (pockets of valor and resistance notwithstanding ...)?

Or was it connivance and collaboration to maintain the status quo at the apex of Brahmanical society, without upsetting the only apple cart that really mattered. Their stranglehold over Hindu hierarchical society. Regardless of who sat in the seat of political power?

The blinkerless well-read already know the answer to that ....

Freedom fighters my left ... foot?

Cheers, Doc

The idea of India of Hindus and non Hindus will always differ.

That is the major crux.

For Hindus it is our civilisation wholesole stock and barrel everything including our history, our culture, our continuity, our identity, our Gods, our literature, holy places everything.

The difference is minorities have few common of the above with Hindu India.

There is the conflict. Just like to claim a part of ancestral property a fake identity called secular India is invented where minorities version of India is accommodated.

Secular India has a very short shelf life and is not sustainable will perish soon with Allah's and Jesus blessings.

 

[Bibo]

The idea of India of Hindus and non Hindus will always differ.

That is the major crux.

For Hindus it is our civilisation wholesole stock and barrel everything including our history, our culture, our continuity, our identity, our Gods, our literature, holy places everything.

The difference is minorities have few common of the above with Hindu India.

There is the conflict. Just like to claim a part of ancestral property a fake identity called secular India is invented where minorities version of India is accommodated.

Secular India has a very short shelf life and is not sustainable will perish soon with Allah's and Jesus blessings.

That is because Hindus see BHARAT while the muslims see "Hindustan", the Christians see "India", the communists see "collection of states", the "seculars" see "the brown mans burden".

Bharat is the ancient Nation state with deep rooted values, proud civilization, ancient culture and well developed society.

"Hindustan" is a land conquered filled with potential slaves and wealth that can be plundered with fond nostalgia.

"India" is a new state born in 1947 thanks to the british, with primitive people and primitive pagan ideas which must be purged.

"Collection of states" is a artificial construct waiting to implode and who's demise must be hastened so that a glorious new communist history can be written.

"brown mans burden" is when Hindus are responsible for all evils on earth and must now atone for it by being subservient to all "minorities" so that they feel "secure".


All these identities are non comparable. They only way they can exist together is by pretending that all these ideas are "equal" and deserve an equal say in the state of affairs and our future.

This artificial false equivalence is the root of all our problems. Fist let us recognize this Lie and stamp out the more virulent forms that attempts to define India, before we decide our final identity.

 

[ashok321]

Independence Day celebrations in madrassas in UP to be videographed jantakareporter.com/india/madrassa…

 

[padamchen]

That is because Hindus see BHARAT while the muslims see "Hindustan", the Christians see "India", the communists see "collection of states", the "seculars" see "the brown mans burden".

Bharat is the ancient Nation state with deep rooted values, proud civilization, ancient culture and well developed society.

"Hindustan" is a land conquered filled with potential slaves and wealth that can be plundered with fond nostalgia.

"India" is a new state born in 1947 thanks to the british, with primitive people and primitive pagan ideas which must be purged.

"Collection of states" is a artificial construct waiting to implode and who's demise must be hastened so that a glorious new communist history can be written.

"brown mans burden" is when Hindus are responsible for all evils on earth and must now atone for it by being subservient to all "minorities" so that they feel "secure".


All these identities are non comparable. They only way they can exist together is by pretending that all these ideas are "equal" and deserve an equal say in the state of affairs and our future.

This artificial false equivalence is the root of all our problems. Fist let us recognize this Lie and stamp out the more virulent forms that attempts to define India, before we decide our final identity.

Meanwhile we'll stamp you out.

Should be a lot more efficient, stamping-wise.

Cheers, Doc

 

[ashok321]

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