European Roma descended from India

[INDIC]

Hey @Audio which -ov are you?

 

[Audio]

Hey @Audio which -ov are you?

Burg Lar Indicov.



@Roybot

http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/daphnetoolkit/files/projects/1998_119/int_gypsies_women_prison_in_spain.pdf

MADRID, Mar 7 (IPS) - One out of every four female inmates in Spain's jails are
Gypsies, or Roma - a proportion 15 times greater than the ethnic group's presence in the
population at large, according to a study on Gypsy women.

Spain integration. Doing good. Damn those racists....

 

[Roybot]

Sure sure, if you cannot take an example from that one video you can take representation in Czech prisons which i also quoted. What excuse will you think of in that case?

Like i wrote above, the stats don't reflect it because it is not deemed politically correct to take account of ethnicity, but you somehow conveniently glossed over that.

It is not only crime, it is begging, scams, bad hygienic conditions in their slums, etc....though why am i even writing this. Obviously blood is not water and you'll be sticking out for them no matter what.

See you still talking like a stormfront freak again. Why the fck would I care about Roma's cause of blood relation or whatever? Seriously who on earth thinks like that in the 21st century I am taking the side of the underdog here, cause no one bothers to present their side. And you haven't given any concrete evidence either to convince me otherwise, nor have you suggested any solution

From what I have observed and read so far, there seems to be an obvious bias against the Romas and apparent apathy from the governments. They don't want the Romas to integrate, they just want them gone, where? Thats none of their business.

Maybe another Romani Holocaust is needed to kill some 200,000 Romas?

 

[INDIC]

Burg Lar Audiokov.

fine enough.

 

[Audio]

See you still talking like a stormfront freak again. Why the fck would I care about Roma's cause of blood relation or whatever? Seriously who on earth thinks like that in the 21st century I am taking the side of the underdog here, cause no one bothers to present their side. And you haven't given any concrete evidence either to convince me otherwise, nor have you suggested any solution

From what I have observed and read so far, there seems to be an obvious bias against the Romas and apparent apathy from the governments. They don't want the Romas to integrate, they just want them gone, where? Thats none of their business.

Maybe another Romani Holocaust is needed to kill some 200,000 Romas?

I gave you what i can find on such short notice. Predominantly, overepresentation in Czech prisons and in the post above in Spanish prisons. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
Please, brand me a racist more, because i cannot obtain exact stats which are not kept due to political correctness of our system.

fine enough.

There you go, skewing written words again. So like your cousins.

 

[Roybot]

@Roybot

http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/daphnetoolkit/files/projects/1998_119/int_gypsies_women_prison_in_spain.pdf



Spain integration. Doing good. Damn those racists....

Read the report mate. Thievery and thuggery is not in anyone's genes.

According to both studies, the reasons for the disproportionate representation of Gypsy women in Spain's prisons lie in the social discrimination, racism and marginalization suffered by the Roma along with their limited access to legal recourse.

 

[Audio]

Read the report mate. Thievery and thuggery is not in anyone's genes.

Sure, not all are on the other side of the law, and for the ones that want to integrate it is best to not say they are gypsy, but numbers have a way of speaking on their own.....despite all the sugar coating that is going on in here.

Anyhow, i have to go, will be back in a few hours. We can continue then, though i think i've made my point and don't want to do it any further. We will see what the replies will be. Have fun.

According to both studies, the reasons for the disproportionate representation of Gypsy women in Spain's prisons lie in the social discrimination, racism and marginalization suffered by the Roma along with their limited access to legal recourse.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/222621-european-roma-descended-india-15.html#ixzz2WBKC9hTw

Yeah, and that didn't happen because they were model citizens.

 

[Roybot]

Sure, not all are on the other side of the law, and for the ones that want to integrate it is best to not say they are gypsy, but numbers have a way of speaking on their own.....despite all the sugar coating that is going on in here.

Anyhow, i have to go, will be back in a few hours. We can continue then, though i think i've made my point and don't want to do it any further. We will see what the replies will be. Have fun.

Sure thing. I ll do some research on the topic too, not because of the blood relation mind you !

 

[Audio]

Sure thing. I ll do some research on the topic too, not because of the blood relation mind you !

It's allright. I understand the pull of playing the devil's advocate. I do it many times lol.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Ironically, the former commie governments did everything they could to integrate them so they can keep up the facade. Please learn stuff before you speak.

Ok, we can just leave it at you being a liar. No problem. Have fun.

That is precisely the point about what happened, and is happening in eastern Europe. While the socialists tried to live up to the ideals of a non-discriminatory egalitarian society, it only needed them to be overthrown for the true, ugly self of eastern Europeans to come out in their bigoted form.

So now we have the worst racism in what was east Germany, the worst religious bigotry in Serbia and of course, the Croatian went back to the days when he worshipped the Germans, even as the Germans kicked them in the face.

Not for nothing did I say that these mongrels are the worst.

 

[Random Boy]

Sure, not all are on the other side of the law, and for the ones that want to integrate it is best to not say they are gypsy, but numbers have a way of speaking on their own.....despite all the sugar coating that is going on in here.

Anyhow, i have to go, will be back in a few hours. We can continue then, though i think i've made my point and don't want to do it any further. We will see what the replies will be. Have fun.



Yeah, and that didn't happen because they were model citizens.

it doesnt matter if they say they are gypsies or not, they are identified as gypsies by racial characteristics. they are darker then european People and because of their southasian physical Features they are easily identifiable. it is a similar case as to african americans, african americans are overrepresented in crime too Criminal Justice Fact Sheet | NAACP and instead of looking for new measures of improvement and Integration, parties and individuals use that as justification to reject racial Integration at all. People view darker skinned races as inherently criminal and primitive compare to the superior White race. you will hear "blacks are sub-humans" and "they commit crime". similar with roma, they are considered a physical threat to national and racial purity in europe. if they have large families People will say they are dangerous not because of poverty and Integration but because of Skin colour, they want europe to stay White. thats the main issue, also intermarriage with roma is viewed like intermarriage with blacks in the USA. thats why i say it has alot to do with racism too. but Romas are not the model minority either true.

 

[INDIC]

That is precisely the point about what happened, and is happening in eastern Europe. While the socialists tried to live up to the ideals of a non-discriminatory egalitarian society, it only needed them to be overthrown for the true, ugly self of eastern Europeans to come out in their bigoted form.

So now we have the worst racism in what was east Germany, the worst religious bigotry in Serbia and of course, the Croatian went back to the days when he worshipped the Germans, even as the Germans kicked them in the face.

Not for nothing did I say that these mongrels are the worst.

One thing is that most of the East Europeans lack inter-ethnic tolerance. The communist regime tried everything to curb such inter-ethnic tensions. When Tito was alive, he put curb on all type of ethnic nationalism. but when the communism was over, people lacked vision for their country.

But communist regime even persecuted Roma by forced sterilization to decrease their population.

 

[venu309]

Does that even matter in any way??

no you got it completely wrong about my parents. on purpose?
you should call me roma not gypsies, gypsy is disrespectful.
I hope not all Indians think like you and most seem not to. You are just a uppity gay NRI from Canada.

He's not an Indian, he's a false flagger. Indians don't spit venom on their own kind.

 

[Audio]

That is precisely the point about what happened, and is happening in eastern Europe. While the socialists tried to live up to the ideals of a non-discriminatory egalitarian society, it only needed them to be overthrown for the true, ugly self of eastern Europeans to come out in their bigoted form.

So now we have the worst racism in what was east Germany, the worst religious bigotry in Serbia and of course, the Croatian went back to the days when he worshipped the Germans, even as the Germans kicked them in the face.

Not for nothing did I say that these mongrels are the worst.

So, you on one hand agree with the premise that the ex commie governments took decent care of their gypsy populace (comparable to everyone else), but don't attribute any merit to the fact that even after ~40+ years of pampering i can still bring an issue which was talked about in 1900 as problematic.

Furthermore you talk about east European racism after the fall of the iron curtain, while that statement has some merit (Neo-nazism is sort of popular in some Slavic countries-which is appaling actually imho), it does not explain why several countries in western Europe are either expelling them (France), or are thinking out loud about it (Germany), or are afraid of the influx of gypsies (UK) once Romania and Bolgaria are allowed into the free border area, giving their populace free passage without any visa. Or for example why in Spain only ~11% of the populace wants a Roma for a neighbor (Spain is supposedly a Roma integration success story according to NY Times). All the info i cited here is in the links i posted above in my previous, if some is missing let me know, i'll paste them.

Now, here is the gist of the problem, directly related to my first paragraph in this post:

Data from Roma NGOs and political parties in recent years shows that 90 percent of Roma children are enrolled in primary school. However, only about 40 percent finish, and no more than 20 percent are enrolled in secondary schools.

"Roma children have particularly low chances of completing secondary education in Central and Eastern Europe," the UN Education, Science and Cultural Organisation said in its 2012 Education for All Global Monitoring Report. According to that study, "only 6 percent of Roma aged 14 to 18 are enrolled in secondary education in Bulgaria, and less than 7.3 percent in Romania."

Todor Valchev, a 30-year-old Bulgarian Roma, and Rambo Rushidov, a 25-year-old Roma from Macedonia, both had to leave school after completing their primary education because they had to help their families.

"Both my parents were unemployed, so I had to work to earn some money," Valchev told SETimes. "I have a younger sister, who also left school. She got married."
Rushidov, who has three children, told SETimes he is "not sure whether they will go to school if the situation in which the Roma live does not change."

Balkan countries seek to reduce school dropout rates

Sure, you will say, he had to go work, his parents were unemployed, granted, but what about his children, i presume he still has his job (article doesn't say otherwise) but his three children will still go out of school. You can finish the article if you want more depressing stats.
So, you see, things are not so black and white as you and your buddies make it out to be. I'd be willing to bet it's the same all over Europe. But alas, evil racist Yuropeans are to blame. Please....

and instead of looking for new measures of improvement and Integration, parties and individuals use that as justification to reject racial Integration at all.

How much longer do you require man. It's not like it's raining milk and honey right now and everyone can be taken care of to the highest standard.
I see the progress you personally have made (through debating, you do present some valid points), but honestly, how many are like you?

 

[Joe Shearer]

One thing is that most of the East Europeans lack inter-ethnic tolerance. The communist regime tried everything to curb such inter-ethnic tensions. When Tito was alive, he put curb on all type of ethnic nationalism. but when the communism was over, people lacked vision for their country.

But communist regime even persecuted Roma by forced sterilization to decrease their population.

Good point. Well said.