Ethnic make-up of Qajar army

[ASQ-1918]

not exactly by your logic then all Altaic ethnic groups are considered Mongol those tribes as related to each other as a Kurd with a Lor with a Bakhtiary ,they are as related as a Sistani with a Baluch

No, you are mixing up ethnicity with clan-tribes.

If we go by your logic and that of map, Kurds should be divided into hundred pieces, like Gorani, Sorani etc...

I mean no one can say that Shahsevens are some kind of ethnicity. They are a branch of Azeri Turks, like all other tribes there.

Qashqais are closely related to Azeri Turks but they are not Azeri Turks, however you can't claim such a thing for these tribes who speak Azeri Turkish.

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

How was that a superpower? Did it influence anyone in the Americans, Australia, S.E. Asia, Europe?? Super Power is a global power.

A good example of a super power is, obviously, the US.

go to school instead of working for your white masters then maybe you will learn something.

2500 years ago the only other great cilization in west was greece, what was in america? who were we gonna influence in america? the trees? and you're saying we did not influence people in europe and asia?
we were the first nation to have a empire to extended into other continents. I know you love you american masters but don't make a fool out of yourself.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Yeah right, that's why your alphabet is Arabic, your language are half-Arabic. What kind of great civilization you are talking about?

 

[ASQ-1918]

They propagated Iranian culture and language.

That's why Shah Ismail was a poet in Azerbaijani language (by his pen name Khatai, which is the reason why hes known as Shah Ismail Khatai among Azeri Turks) and not Persian, because he "propagated" Iranian culture and language.

This was Shah Ismail's letter to Ottoman Sultan before Chaldiran battle (its kept in Topkapi museum of Istanbul), can you understand it?

"Mən pirimi haqq bilirəm,
Yoluna qurban olaram,
Dün doğuldum bugün ölləm,
Ölən gəlsin budur meydan!"

Because I do.

The last thing you Tadjiks (that's how you Persians were called in Safavid Empire) could do would be claiming the glorious Qizilbash past of Qizilbash Azeri Turks.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Shah Ismail was a poet in Azeri language, his poems were intented for his followers and soldiers, I.E Qizilbash, which as you can guess were not Persians, the capital of Safavid Empire was Tabriz, Azerbaijan (until being relocated to Qazvin and later Isfahan after being sacked by Ottomans), the language of court was also Azerbaijani, aswell the military language, and language of religious ceremonies of Safaviya order.

Basically he didn't give a two fck about Persians. Persians were second-class people of Safavid Empire until Shah Abbas.

 

[bozorgmehr]

That's why Shah Ismail was a poet in Azerbaijani language (by his pen name Khatai, which is the reason why hes known as Shah Ismail Khatai among Azeri Turks) and not Persian, because he "propagated" Iranian culture and language.

This was Shah Ismail's letter to Ottoman Sultan (survives to this day in Topkapı museum of Istanbul), can you understand it?

"Mən pirimi haqq bilirəm,
Yoluna qurban oluram,
Dün doğuldum bugün ölləm,
Ölən gəlsin budur meydan!"

Because I do.

The last thing you Tadjiks (that's how you Persians were called in Safavid Empire) could do would be claiming the glorious Qizilbash past of Qizilbash Azeri Turks.

Is that all you have to hang on to? You poor little thing! By that token Ottoman Sultans must have been from downtown Ispahan. Cause they were singing Persian poetry like a nightingale. In fact Turkish is still half Persian to this day despite all nationlistic efforts since the Young Turks movement.

And we've called ourselves Iranian since before the work Turk was invented somewhere on borders of China. So we don't give two sh!ts about what you or anybody else thinks about it. Now go play at being a mighty warlord turkic warrior.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Azeri language was only spoken by native speakers of the Azeri language you pathetic Tadjik. It had not status of Persian or Arabic during medieval times, and never have had either.

Besides, no, also read above post.

 

[Serpentine]

Shah Ismail was a poet in Azeri language, which was his native language, the capital of Safavid Empire was in Tabriz, Azerbaijan, the language of court was also Azerbaijani, aswell the military language, aswell religious ceremonies of Safaviya order.

Basically he didn't give a two fck about Persians. Persians were second-class people of Safavid Empire until Shah Abbas.

Do you know what is your major problem?You devide Iran and Azerbaijan as 2 separate things,while they are the same.Azerbaijan has been always an important part of Iranian culture and hegemony,before any country called Republic of Azerbaijan existed.We are proud of our Azeri brothers and their contribution to the modern Iran.Azeri people,like their Persian,Arab,Turkmen,Balooch and other brothers,are a part of great Iranian society.We won't let you steal it from us.Azerbaijan itself is a Persian word.If Republic of Azerbaijan start big mouthing about Iranian Azeris,we will attach it to it's motherland,Iran again.So go and spread your Pan-Turk junk somewhere else.
We don't care if Shah Ismael spoke Azeri or Persian,the important thing is he contributed to Iranian culture so much which includes the Azeri culture.They are the same.Iranian culture=Azeri culture=Persian culture=Balooch culture=Kurds culture and so on.We are the same member of a great and diverse society.

 

[bozorgmehr]

Oh so now Turkish can only be spoken by ethnic Turks, but Persian, well everybody knows that one, right? I like how revert to delusions when reality intrudes into your phantasmogoric made up little world. No wonder you end up where you did. As I said, you're gonna be on the receiving end of reality until you sober up a little.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Why you even give such example is beyond me. We all do know that Ottoman Sultan was not from "downtown Isfahan", and we all do know that Safavids were from Azerbaijan.

If we are specifically talking about Shah Ismail here, as he was the founder of Safavid Empire, it has also some relevance, hes father was Haydar, son of Juneyd. Of course it's not true but there are fake theories which claims that supposedly Sheikh Safi (the founder of Safaviya order) was a Persian or Kurd (he was not as hes ben refered to as "Turk saint" in historical sources), so let's assume so (because many comes up with these theories), Junayd married Uzun Hasan's sister Khadija Begum, Uzun Hasan was the leader of Aq-Qoyunlu, and his son Haydar (father of Shah Ismail) married daugther of Uzun Hasan. So Shah Ismail's Turkoman-Oghuz ancestry are undisputed.

Morover, it is an undisputed fact that Safavid court language was Azerbaijani Turkish. In fact, Persian language was not used in Safavid court until the capital was relocated to Isfahan, and even then much lesser than Azeri. European diplomats who went to Safavid court in Isfahan had mentioned that.

And yes, only and only native speakers of Azeri language could speak it. Persian, like Arabic was lingua-franca of Muslim world and widely used in poetry etc...Azerbaijani Turkish was only limited to it's native speakers.

So Shah Ismail's Azeri poems are even more significant in such context, he chose to write in Azeri instead of the much more popular Persian 500 years ago. Not only does it shows his background, but also the way he regarded himself.

 

[Serpentine]

ASQ-1918: Again you missed the point,Iranians and Azeris are not 2 different things,they are the same.
If Shah Ismael had Azeri poems,that's not a bad thing or a shame for us,we are proud of Safavids,and Shah Ismael belongs to one piece of Iranian diverse culture,which was Azerbaijan.Before the country Azerbaijan existed,they all were part of Iran,But we lost the northern Azerbaijan because of Russians and stupid Qajar kings.Now if Republic of Azerbaijan starts big mouthing about Iranian people or lands,we will reunite the Azerbaijan with its motherland,Iran.q

I repeat once again: Iranian culture=Iranian Azeri culture=Persian culture=Kurdish culture=Balooch culture and etc.We are all a part of a great and united family called Iran.We are all the same.We won't let some strangers steal our culture,heritage and lands.
Iranian Azeris love their homeland more than you could imagine.