Ethnic make-up of Qajar army

[ASQ-1918]

No you troll. It's because it's much cheaper in Iran with Azerbaijan's currency.

All of it's areas are near the border with Iran? LOL. Here we talk about border towns such as Astara and so on...And let me tell you that not many people live in these areas.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The problem is Were Qajar from Azerbaijan to begin with ?

The Qajar rulers were members of the Qovanlu clan of the Qajars, themselves members of the Oghuz branch of the Turkic peoples of central Asia.[4][8][9] Qajars first settled during the Mongol period in the vicinity of Armenia and were among the seven Qizilbash tribes that supported the Safavids.[

well till here some people wrongly can claim that they are from Qajar tribes , but there is an interesting aspect and that is

The Qajars were resettled by Shah Abbas I throughout Persia. The great number of them also settled in Astarabad (present-day Gorgan, Iran) near the south-eastern corner of the Caspian Sea,[9] and it would be this branch of Qajars that would rise to power.

and also what if they were from Azerbaijan only some misguided people claim that Azeri people are not Iranian . and still there is this

Within 126 years between the demise of the Safavid state and the rise of Nasir al-Din Shah, the Qajars evolved from a Turkic shepherd-warrior tribe with strongholds in northern Persia into a Persian dynasty with all the trappings of a Persian monarchy.

and by the way in all of Qajar dynasty there are only two people who are worthy of praise .
1 - is Agha mohamad khan Qajar for his determination and will power
2 - Abbas Mirza who died before he become the king for his foresight and valor

all the rest were all useless and week persons

 

[ASQ-1918]

Yes they were. If you read your own post, "Qajars were resettled by Shah Abbas".

Qajars innhabited Karabakh and Ganja regions of Azerbaijan, but they were resettled to Gorgan by Shah Abbas. It was a common practice in order to defend border areas from hostile enemies.

Ganja Khanate was of Qajar origin for instance, as an example name of Khan of Ganja: Javad Khan Ziyadoghlu Qajar. Ziyadoghlu or Ziyadoghullari was family name of Qajars.

Like it says in your article, the ones that rose to power was the ones that were resettled to Gorgan, as Qajar tribe still existed in Karabakh and Ganja but in lesser numbers.

Qajar tribe do still exist today and they are considered as an Azerbaijani sub-ethnic group and their language a dialect of Azeri TUrkish.

See this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kajars

 

[ASQ-1918]

Since it is already mentioned, Nader Shah's clan was also originally from Azerbaijan but resettled to Khorasan by Shah Abbas.

Afshars of Khorasan to this day speak dialect of Azeri Turkish.

Also, it's not exclusively about Qajars, but the military during Qajar period.

It was a state whose military were dominated by Azeri Turks, otherwise there would be little significance of them being Azeris anyway.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yes they were. If you read your own post, "Qajars were resettled by Shah Abbas".

Qajars innhabited Karabakh and Ganja regions of Azerbaijan, but they were resettled to Gorgan by Shah Abbas.

Ganja Khanate was of Qajar origin for instance, as an example name of Khan of Ganja: Javad Khan Ziyadoghlu Qajar. Ziyadoghlu or Ziyadoghullari was family name of Qajars.

Like it says in your article, it would be the branch that were resettled in Gorgan from Azerbaijan, that would rise to power.

Qajar tribe do still exists today and they are considered as an Azerbaijani sub-ethnic group.

See this; Kajars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

well they resettled so it means the people who remained wee not Qajar there were several tribe there the ones remained were not Qajar

and as I said it make no difference all Azeri are considered Iranian

Historian Vladimir Minorsky writes that largely Iranian and Caucasian populations became Turkish-speaking:
In the beginning of the 5th/11th century the Ghuzz hordes, first in smaller parties, and then in considerable numbers, under the Seljuqids occupied Azerbaijan. In consequence, the Iranian population of Azerbaijan and the adjacent parts of Transcaucasia became Turkophone while the characteristic features of Ādharbāyjānī Turkish, such as Persian intonations and disregard of the vocalic harmony, reflect the non-Turkish origin of the Turkicised population.[66]

only after 2 century being under constant bombardment of Russian propaganda made a small group of Azeris who who live north of Aras forget this fact but the majority of them still consider themselves Iranian .

by the way I saw you talked about the standard of living in Baku , well I'll ask you what is the difference of Persian gulf kingdom with Azerbaijan ?
if you don't know let me tell you ,in those kingdoms more than Petro-Dollar they have foreign commerce but in Azerbaijan there is only Petro-Dollar .

don't you think its better to talk about these matters after you managed to build a dam or a highway or one line of metro yourself

 

[ASQ-1918]

What do you mean by that? Qajars were and are an Azeri tribe, just because they were resettled there doesn't means they automatically became something else. And if you read correctly, this is about Qajar military!

Oh, please spare us BS's of Vladimir Minorsky, the same guy who wrote that Safavid dynasty has Kurdish origins. LOL

The nature of that propaganda is so laughable. Seljuqs? Did someone tell you that center of Seljuq power was Persian areas of modern day Iran and not Azerbaijan? And that Seljuqs had no intention, neither capable of a language assimilation? Seljuqs themselves used Arabic and Persian, so go figure. And if they would have any such intention, than Persian area of Iran would have been speaking Turkic language now, because that's where the Seljuq dominance was. You will hardly find considerable Seljuq monuments in Azerbaijan, but you can find pleeenty in Persian areas.

And do you know that there are 1200 words of Azeri Turkish origin in Persian that passed into Persian language during Safavid era? Even a basic word such as "men", I.E me. Now just because Azeri Turkish borrowed some words from Persian (in fact even these are mostly Arabic) that were not daily words but scientific definitions, poetry etc...dosen't means it was an another language. The explanation lies in the fact that Persian language was used as language of poetry, nothing else.

 

[Hack-Hook]

What do you mean by that? Qajars were and are an Azeri tribe, just because they were resettled there doesn't means they automatically became something else.

Oh, please spare us BS's of Vladimir Minorsky, the same guy who wrote that Safavid dynasty has Kurdish origins. LOL

The nature of that propaganda is so laughable. Seljuqs? Did someone tell you that center of Seljuq power was Persian areas of modern day Iran and not Azerbaijan? And that Seljuqs had no intention, neither capable of a language assimilation? Seljuqs themselves used Arabic and Persian, so go figure. And if they would have any such intention, than Persian area of Iran would have been speaking Turkic language now, because that's where the Seljuq dominance was. You will hardly find considerable Seljuq monuments in Azerbaijan, but you can find pleeenty in Persian areas.

And do you know that there are 1200 words of Azeri Turkish origin in Persian that passed into Persian language during Safavid era? Even a basic word such as "men", I.E me. Now just because Azeri Turkish borrowed some words from Persian (in fact even these are mostly Arabic) that were not daily words but scientific definitions, poetry etc...dosen't means it was an another language. The explanation lies in the fact that Persian language was used as language of poetry, nothing else.

didn't some one told you the official language of seljuq main dynasty was Persian but it's not the case for Selljuq of rum .by the way he didn't meant the dynasty itself actively changed the language but he meant the migrations and changing population demographic resulted in the change in language


and still it don't change the fact that Azeri people are considered Iranian as in the quotes it's shown and also it don't change the fact that Qajar army was not something to be proud of and only one person in that dynasty (abbas Mirza) under influence of "Qaem Magham Farahani" thought of doing something about it and

 

[ASQ-1918]

Yes, migrations and changing population, this is not a language assimiliation process, we are talking about nomads here. Nomads naturally would be themselves assimilated by other cultures, not assimilate others. As we have seen with all past examples. All of nomadic peoples was assimilated in Eurasia for instance, they are gone. So if you think logically, there is no chance of such a thing with nomadic populations. If the population was still largely non-Turkic in Azerbaijan after all these migrations, then these nomads would have been assimilated into that population, not vice-versa.

Azeri Turks had a nomadic past and this is evident in some of tribes that still live a nomadic life in Yurts. Shahsevens for instance...

Populations always changed, there is no need to look after some made-up stories instead of facts.

It's not about being proud of Qajar army, just realities on how the situation was a century ago. Because Persians always talk with illusions regarding past history.

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

where was your kind 2500 years ago when the persians created the the first superpower?
was Cyrus the great from aliyevbaijan?

You are just so sad, since you wish you had our culture but sadly you are nothing but a piece of Iran who is nothing without us.
No go get a hug of your daddy aliyez.

 

[ASQ-1918]

And now you suddenly go to times of Cyrus. That's all there is, Persians end with Sassanids in history.

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

You cant answer the question because your brain malfunctions when you get asked that sort of thing.
persian now make up 50% of Iran, these rest are our azeris,lurs etc etc.

you're just a side effect of an russian mating with a armenian. You're just another small province of Iran who is now beeing controled of the zionists. without Iran you are nothing, you have no history except being raped by armenia.

 

[ASQ-1918]

And that is the point. How did Azeri Turks manage to dominate the military and state for centuries while Persians having a much larger population?

I have no problems with state of Iran other than that it should be a Turkic one like it originally was.

Future Turkic state.

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

How does that answer my questions?
I think you're just a computer virus created by an Israeli to troll.
BTW azeris are Iranic people, like kurds and armenians.

but you..you're a zionists virus.

 

[somebozo]

How does that answer my questions?
I think you're just a computer virus created by an Israeli to troll.
BTW azeris are Iranic people, like kurds and armenians.

but you..you're a zionists virus.

Azeri are Turk and Iranians are Persians..Azeris rule over Iran for a long time.

 

[ASQ-1918]

And you should answer my questions aswell.