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Erdogan: Islam needs to be updated. You cannot apply Islam with laws from 14 centuries ago.

Change Islamic laws wherever it doesn't get applied on your ambitions. Ale Saudi has been doing this for tens of years, waging religious conflicts in favor of their British Lords.

Erdogan is just too late,

To join this sectarian club, welcome Erdogan, new Vatican as it seems.
You're looking at it too globally. Erdoggy doesn't care about any of that shit.

He needs %50 of the vote in the next elections and polls show that he doesn't have it.

That's what's this about.
 
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Www
TTP regard sovereignty as vested in the Almighty - not the state.
TTP who?

ALLAH swt' says in Surah Baqarah, Ayat 107:

-أَلَمۡ تَعۡلَمۡ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَهُ ۥ مُلۡكُ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ‌ۗ وَمَا لَڪُم مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ مِن وَلِىٍّ۬ وَلَا نَصِيرٍ
"Knowest thou not that it is ALLAH unto whom belongeth the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth; and ye have not, beside Allah, any guardian or helper? "
 
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Change Islamic laws wherever it doesn't get applied on your ambitions.
But this topic is about Erdoğan's speech, and Erdoğan didn't say such thing. He criticized so called "hodjas" and "scholars" that manipulate innocent/naive citizens by using Islamic speeches, took their money, using their money to get power, and then using this power to corrupt into State Institutions.

He even gave example like ".. such organisations like FETÖ, we should take a lesson from FETÖ..."

So you either didn't understand what he was about, or you want to talk about some another topic?
 
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Through the real islamic window: Claiming Islamic rules to have been sent only for the time 1400 years ago is clearly a "shirk". Islam is one, unique and valid till the end of universe.

My view:

It is clear that all the Abrahamic religions which are basically all the same have failed on moral values, helping humanity be any better. Oppositely, caused many religous/secterian wars not only between muslims and christians but also between each same groups.

Muslim Saudi buys fighter jets, each cost 30 Million "kuffar" Dolar.
Buying misiles each cost 100,000 "kuffar" Dolar.
Cost of flight per hour is 10,000 kuffar Dolar.

And these are for killing muslims in Yemen whose monthly income is only a Dollar .

Sorry, but the God seems failed in protecting children and innocent weaks.
 
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About the marriage i can say about my own country, there is a tsunami of inter-religious marriage happening. BUT not in real context becuase almost all of them result in conversion.
My own cousin sister married a hindu guy who converted to Islam,now he goes to friday prayer regularly. Before that two of my own cousin brother(from maternal side) and one of their friends married hindu girl who were their classmates from chittagong university,all of them converted to husband's religion.
I tell you,these hindu girls are so stylish and broad minded now a days,they just can't stand by side of their own boys. And there is a huge amount here in BD where hindu girls are dating and marrying non-hindu guys.

Marriage and religion both are personal. I have come across muslim women marrying Non muslims in India and also changing their religion, not a big issue at all. Normally it is the woman who changes their religion. I recently came across a Canadian Muslim women of Bangladeshi origin marrying a Indian Hindu man named Sai. She converted to Hinduism. Even in Turkey, women can have non Muslim partners. But Bangladesh is not Turkey or Canada. Does your country support inter religion marriages where a Muslim women has to convert to marry a non muslim. About your cousin sister marrying a Hindu, what if the Hindu boy refuses to convert. Will your cousin sister’s family treat the Hindu boy as their son in law. I have read some where that if a muslim women in Bangladesh marries a non muslim then both of them will have to give their religion. The first one that comes to my mind is that of Avijit Roy and Rafida Ahmed Bonya. Both were atheists.
 
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What exactly are reformations you want, elaborate please.
Well, I have been influenced by what Iqbal suggested. He sums up it better then I ever could in "The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam". The 198 pages published in 1934 pretty well makes his thoughts explicable. I think the Turkish Diyaniat is trying to do exactly what the great Iqbal had suggested. Furthermore he guessed that this "reconstruction" would happen in Turkey being as it is the cutting edge/shield of the Islamic world and has been that for centuries.

You tend to see intellectuel vigour in nations that face and prevail over adversity/enemies/challanges like the Turks faced the rise of Europe by keeping their peoples, their land and their dignity free. You will not see the collective quest for rising higher from nations or peoples who have historically and or till recently just lay dorment and become doormats to European imperialism like us, Arabs, Banglas etc. And now try to cover that weakness by acting harder and shouting louder then the rest. Empty vessels tend to make the most noise.

http://www.iqbalcyberlibrary.net/en/645.html
http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/prose/english/reconstruction/
https://archive.org/details/cover_201501
 
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it was already updated in this land in 1923 which is called Turkish Republic!
 
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If he decides to break the power of Cemaats and Hocas, he might even get my vote.
 
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Marriage and religion both are personal.

Well that is what you are saying.For me marriage and religion is both personal as well as family,social matter.Weird you are saying "personal" then trying to convince me in your "personal" view. :enjoy:

I have come across muslim women marrying Non muslims in India and also changing their religion, not a big issue at all. Normally it is the woman who changes their religion. I recently came across a Canadian Muslim women of Bangladeshi origin marrying a Indian Hindu man named Sai. She converted to Hinduism. Even in Turkey, women can have non Muslim partners. But Bangladesh is not Turkey or Canada.

When did i say it does not happen? I said the rate is way too low to reach even near to critical mass,the ratio is 20:1.But we will stand against it because our religion order us to do so.
You said normally it is woman who changes their religion,well not on all case :enjoy: I know at least four in india who actually converted their husband.Three of them are now christian :D

I think you are getting confused here.The canadian woman you are talking about was not of Bangladeshi origin.And the girl didn't converted.
I read her article and followed her twitter account for some period of time. From the content what she has shared in her account,i can fairly say she is more of an atheist.

BTW if you are going to those country like canada or europe america,there people really don't care about religion.Even in those countries the rate of our woman marrying outside religion is not that high except some particular country.Most of hindu woman in those countries marrying outside their caste & religion.I can name 7-8 right now.All of them are from elite,educated,rich family and we met in cultural function and that kinda things.

Moreover i have been to UAE and and frequent visitor there. I know at least six couple who are of this type.
Three of them was pakistani man,one Bangladeshi man(from my own :P) ,one Jordanian man and the other man was from kerala,india.In all case girls were hindu who converted to Islam.I am not sure about one case where girl's last name is singh,as far as i know it denotes sikh name.Correct me if i am wrong.

As far as i know from statistics,the inter-faith marriage(real context where they remain in their respective religion) doesn't last longer.

Interesting you have mentioned "convert to hinduism".Can you explain how can anyone convert to hinduism or way of life?Because from what i have heard from your religious scholars, you can not convert to way of life.You are contradicting with your core of "way of life" :enjoy:


Even in Turkey, women can have non Muslim partners.
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Ya they are "allowed to". Problem is it is 99% muslim,just because state didn't enforce it does not mean woman are gonna do that in droves.Same case for Tunisia.But not quite the same case for hindu girls :enjoy:

But Bangladesh is not Turkey or Canada. Does your country support inter religion marriages where a Muslim women has to convert to marry a non muslim.

My country doesn't say anything about it.why will country "support" it?and this decision mainly depends on family,even if girl chooses her partner there are some unwritten rules no one crosses,for example,our country doesn't ban any form of clothing,but you won't see people wearing bikini in name of freedom :D


B About your cousin sister marrying a Hindu, what if the Hindu boy refuses to convert. Will your cousin sister’s family treat the Hindu boy as their son in law.

Then the marriage will not happen :enjoy:,because it will not be allowed. :partay:
The simple case is when ever this kinda love happens,the boy already knows he will have to convert,so he gets ready for it,as i mentioned my cousin sister's husband has been going for friday prayers,doing fasting for last 1.5 years :partay:

I have read some where that if a muslim women in Bangladesh marries a non muslim then both of them will have to give their religion. The first one that comes to my mind is that of Avijit Roy and Rafida Ahmed Bonya. Both were atheists.

From where you heard such weird thing?Have to give up religion? :rofl:
In bangladesh those kinda things in normal people say elites or common are almost non-existent.It goes through a process.
There is some sushils or "ultra-humanist" who does this for fame :enjoy:
As for avijit & rafida ,they are in those "ultra-humanist" class.:partay:
They didn't give up their religion,because they had no religion to begin with :enjoy: those are publicity stunt.
As for common or elite class i can give you example of my another cousin brother who is currently married to actress Nusrat faria.But before that he dated another actress Bidya sinha saha who is hindu.
From what he told me,they had pretty intimate relationship.
She was ready to convert,but his mother,my aunt wasn't ready to accept her because of her social status.
(BTW I have also a huge crush on her :p: such flawless beauty she is :smitten:)


From my experience,as i have mentioned before the rate of muslim woman marrying outside religion is not even 3-5%.Just the number of hindu woman marrying outside their religion in bangladesh will be probably 3/5 of that entire number.
There is something seriously wrong within your way of life.As i said i have seen hindu woman can't even stand by side of their own boys.This is what happens when you try to appease your western boyfriends and live with deluded pride that never existed.
Yes we make love with hindu girls,but not quite the way you say "love jihad" :P
why will not we?we are not forcing them.And they are such passionate,sultry,caring beautiful creatures not to mention they are such teasers :enjoy: One of my friend said,very few woman are perfect combo of balanced conservatives and liberalness.Neither they are ultra-conservative nor ultra naked.They will not not even look at your eyes and will pierce through your heart with a smile in corner of their lips :cheers:
Most hindu woman are ravishing,elegant,beautiful,intelligent than their boy counterparts.
They get themselves in relation with non-hindu man specially muslim man willingly when they are fully aware of what is gonna happen next doesn't matter how you hindu man helplessly screams love jihad,halala,triple talaq. :enjoy:Yes,some cheating happens,but those are almost non-existent.
Every woman wants strong man around her,so does hindu women.They are not lesbian to get into relation with half ladies like you :D
Stop blaming Christian,Muslim man and Hindu woman to cover up you hindu men's own impotency. Find out your faults and try to solve it rather than making imaginary love jihad drama :enjoy:
 
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In Islam's case no one is going to write a new Sutra and people would start following it as a cultural thing. In Muslims' case it is not mainly reforming or reforms ..... but going back to the original forgotten misinterpreted message.

In your society's case people tend to be highly superstitious and prone to exploitation, any rapist baba can form a cult and zombies would start worshiping him.
You didn't get the point? Did you?
Rapist baba's are as same as thug molvies. But this is not the point here.
Religion must have freedom within . Here we are talking about reform.
The ideological reform. Islamic ideology has very hard and unchanged boundaries for its followers. So whatever bad happens in the world with Muslims women or Islamic terrorism, most of people blames Islamic ideology . But then there are reasons. You can't counter them in debates.
You have some lame argument like " terrorism has no religion " or " example of world wars".
But you can't counter their ideological debate. Bcz you know whatever they qoute from Quran to prove their points are in Quran indeed. So lose argument .
So this need to reform.

Second, you are here talking about Hinduism. Hinduism has hope.
You know why?
Hinduism is not a ideological faith . It has wisdom and freedom . If there are something backwords rituals in Hinduism, it can be reform easily. Hindus has proved that in past.
It is not a wrriten ideological faith. So every Hindu is himself/herself responsible for their own loss and profit in faith. You can't blame any God or Hindu book or Hinduism for that.
So in Hinduism you can't blame faith or ideology but people .
But in Islam you can't blame people but ideology .
 
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Hate mongering?

Is that what papa US taught to You?Most hindu who get to go outside never returns and feel embarrassed to say they are "Hindu"
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If Indians becomes successful & get citizenship & are having a high paid job, what’s the need for them to come back to India, when they have a comfortable life there. Children get used to the local culture & many children’s even marry the locals there. That’s how most of the western people are too. You people get worked up of children becoming unislamic not us.

Indians are not Pakistanis or Bangladeshis to be embarrassed of being Indian. You people have full of venom & hate filled in yours minds & hearts, but shamelessly will fake your identity as Indians when asked. Ask all your Bangladeshi people running restaurants overseas to display Bangladeshi name & food & not to display Indian food or Indian restaurant. Are you people not ashamed to put our country’s name to earn your living. If you need proof just tell, don’t do your usual drama or google.



How can india can contribute anything to humanity when there was no country named india before 47?Are you trying to be funny?
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Can you show me proof there was no country named India or at least, just tell, what was the name of India before 47 Please, without beating around the bush.
 
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Can you show me proof there was no country named India or at least, just tell, what was the name of India before 47 Please, without beating around the bush.
Our progenitor. From which we issued forth.

British Indian Empire or British Raj.

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Which gave birth to -


Dominion of Pakistan
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British rule in Burma
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Trucial States
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Colony of Aden
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Straits Settlements
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Dominion of India
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Which today [parts] are -



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Bangladesh
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China (disputed)
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India
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Myanmar
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Pakistan
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United Arab Emirates
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Yemen
 
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Our progenitor. From which we issued forth.

British Indian Empire or British Raj.

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Which gave birth to -


Dominion of Pakistan
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British rule in Burma
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Trucial States
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Colony of Aden
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Straits Settlements
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Dominion of India
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Which today [parts] are -



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Bangladesh
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China (disputed)
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India
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Myanmar
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Pakistan
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United Arab Emirates
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Yemen

Exactly, tell that moron, It was called India only, by everyone. It's referred today as British India, because it also had Bangladesh, Pakistan & others like you stated before 47.

So it was India after 47 & before. Thanks for making it easy or this cartoon will keep beating around the bush again.

Hindu doesn't even anything to defend because what they have is some cartoon BS.No real educated "hindu" ever dared to put their "religion" on the edge of sword,know why?
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Interesting you said Hindu religion,because some other say it is way of life or way of shit,i sometimes get really confused.
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Anybody who put sword to spread or enforce any religion is a fake barbarian oppressive sect. It can’t be called a religion & once people are able to break out of that group & fear, that religion will cease to exist. That religion will have to keep spilling blood to survive. And that sect will be most hated ones by every other sect. It can never be a religion of peace.

Hindu religion is a civilized & peaceful religion. It talks of Non-violence. That’s why Gandhi without using a sword is referred to as one of the greatest personalities known world wide.
 
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