Erdogan: Islam needs to be updated. You cannot apply Islam with laws from 14 centuries ago.

[MultaniGuy]

What do you think the TTP are following? The Torah? They are following and killing in the belief of the Quran and Sunnah. They want to set up a Islamic emirate with full Sharia law in force. They want to set up a Islamic utopia that fights Americans, Zionists and their collaboraters.

TTP is wrong to use killing as a method to achieve objectives.
Thats why TTP are terrorists.

Yeah when you can't give justification to your claims it's easy to escape by saying crap.

I have given the facts & figures. Any child will tell who's a fool & who's intelligent & you are the one who called me idiot & who could not handle my reply. So what best report.

Look at the condition of Pakistan, running up & down & how it's treated. Every country is treating you people like garbage. India should be isolated & alienated if it was so foolish.

Every month some top leader of the some country is in India to meet the foolish Indians. Not even 1/6th of same leaders visit the intelligent country Pakistan. Last month Canadian PM Truadeu was here, now French President Macron is on visit. You can go check every month backwards of both yours & ours.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...ay-parade-as-chief-guests/article10051822.ece

How many Presidents of Prime Ministers of other countries visited you. Go check the statistics. If 6 leaders visited India at-least 1 should have visited great Pakistan. Population you see. 6 times bigger

Just because Presidents visit your country means nothing. They are only visiting India because India can be used as a counterweight to China by the west.

The Chinese Leaders and businessmen visit Pakistan quite often.

At Least we do not drink cow urine like some of your countrymen and you talk about intelligence! Please give me a break! We Pakistanis are not stupid like you guys are!

I may not agree with @Kaptaan on many issues, but seriously these Indians are pushing their limits on PDF!

 

[my2cents]

Arabs should be updated not Islam.

Hindu women are most deprived and discriminated in the world. Hindu women suffer cruel customs like Sati(Widow Burning), Dowry and many others.
In the modern era, rape is the best sports among Indian men.

So, are you saying that Hindu customs of ancient era are to be updated but not the Islamic customs and laws??

 

[I.R.A]

What do you think the TTP are following? The Torah? They are following and killing in the belief of the Quran and Sunnah.

Kaptaan ......... there is a lesson in this.

You don't leave interpretation of a very logical and reasonable book in hands of people living in impoverished and stone age conditions ........ deprived of the basic education. You know it was one of the difficult tasks during Messenger's Peace be upon him times to straighten the Bedouins (people living away from civilisation) ....

I don't think Fazallullah the TTP leader even understands what embryology is and how the gravity is the pillars mentioned in Quran holding the skies ........

Sura E Feel if carefully read reveals the concept of aerial bombardment and miniature nukes that won't result in any collateral damage ....... but if left to an ordinary mind ...... its only a story a miracle how ALLAH protected Khana E Kabah against an army of elephants.

We have access to a book full of wisdom and knowledge ...... but the thing is would we ever be able to realise that?

Erdogan's reference to 1400 years ago is faulty and flawed ..... Muslims of that age were liberal and very open minded ....... they knew .......

 

[MultaniGuy]

China and Saudi Arabia do not treat Pakistan like garbage.

Watch your language @Nalini. Saudi Arabia and China treats Pakistan with respect. But it is you Indians who are mocked in USA and killed in hate crimes.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

TTP is wrong to use killing as a method to achieve objectives.

That is your opinion. They [the TTP] report to a higher authority then the Pakistani state which they consider as a American collaborater. They are on jihad in defence of Islam. Under jihad they are permited to use force. You may not agree but they are prepared and do die for their belief in Islam. They are fighting for Islam. You can say they are not but they can say with equal force and cite Quran that they are. There is lesson here for you. When you play this 'religion card' everybody starts playing it. And since nobody has emergency telephone number to the almighty all we are left with is dozens on dozens of interpretations fighting each other. Welcome to Pakistan 2018.

China and Saudi Arabia do not treat Pakistan like garbage

I am sorry both Saudia Arabia and America treat Pakistan like used womens sanitation towels. Meaning garbage. That is fact and I am going to have to agree with Mr Billionaire Open Pooper @Nalini

You saw what KSA did with regards to FATF recently in conjunction with America? Only Turks and Chinese stood by Pakistan. KSA dumped Pakistan !

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-friend-in-need-is-a-friend-indeed-turkey-china.546919/

 

[MultaniGuy]

That is your opinion. They [the TTP] report to a higher authority then the Pakistani state which they consider as a American collaborater. They are on jihad in defence of Islam. Under jihad they are permited to use force. You may not agree but they are prepared and do die for their belief in Islam. They are fighting for Islam. You can say they are not but they can say with equal force and cite Quran that they are. There is lesson here for you. When you play this 'religion card' everybody starts playing it. And since nobody has emergency telephone number to the almighty all we are left with is dozens on dozens of interpretations fighting each other. Welcome to Pakistan 2018.

Well TTP are stupid. That is my opinion and they are wrong. Nobody has the right to use force to achieve objectives.

To achieve objectives should be done through democracy and parliamentary politics.

That is your opinion. They [the TTP] report to a higher authority then the Pakistani state which they consider as a American collaborater. They are on jihad in defence of Islam. Under jihad they are permited to use force. You may not agree but they are prepared and do die for their belief in Islam. They are fighting for Islam. You can say they are not but they can say with equal force and cite Quran that they are. There is lesson here for you. When you play this 'religion card' everybody starts playing it. And since nobody has emergency telephone number to the almighty all we are left with is dozens on dozens of interpretations fighting each other. Welcome to Pakistan 2018.

I am sorry both Saudia Arabia and America treat Pakistan like used womens sanitation towels. Meaning garbage. That is fact and I am going to have to agree with Mr Billionaire Open Pooper @Nalini

You saw what KSA did with regards to FATF recently in conjunction with America? Only Turks and Chinese stood by Pakistan. KSA dumped Pakistan !

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-friend-in-need-is-a-friend-indeed-turkey-china.546919/

And tell me who doesn't treat Indians like garbage as well.

Like I said you are entitled to your opinion.

The Gulf countries of Saudi Arabia and UAE treat Indian workers like slumdogs and even worse than Pakistanis.

And since when was USA an ally of Pakistan. USA was never an ally of Pakistan except on paper! lol!

The Indiot, thinks nobody respects Pakistanis, when there are quite a few nations who do.

But Indian workers are treated like shit in the Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar, since they are usually menial labourers, cleaners, and sweepers.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

To achieve objectives should be done through democracy and parliamentary politics.

Well, not according to the reasoning peddled by many here and in the Taliban. Sovereignty belongs to Allah therefore parliament has no right to go against the will of almighty, Quran or the Sunnah. TTP feel and interpret that Pakistan, Pakistani parliament is going against Islam and soveriegnty of allah. They are not only the ones who think this. If you accept that sovereignty lies with Allah you are going to have to accept that whe a Muslim or Muslims adjudge that parliament is going against the Quran,. Sunnah they are obliged to go against the state and if neccessary use force to defend Isla,. They call that 'jihad'.

 

[Ocean]

That is your opinion. They [the TTP] report to a higher authority then the Pakistani state which they consider as a American collaborater. They are on jihad in defence of Islam. Under jihad they are permited to use force. You may not agree but they are prepared and do die for their belief in Islam. They are fighting for Islam. You can say they are not but they can say with equal force and cite Quran that they are. There is lesson here for you. When you play this 'religion card' everybody starts playing it. And since nobody has emergency telephone number to the almighty all we are left with is dozens on dozens of interpretations fighting each other. Welcome to Pakistan 2018.

I am sorry both Saudia Arabia and America treat Pakistan like used womens sanitation towels. Meaning garbage. That is fact and I am going to have to agree with Mr Billionaire Open Pooper @Nalini

You saw what KSA did with regards to FATF recently in conjunction with America? Only Turks and Chinese stood by Pakistan. KSA dumped Pakistan !

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-friend-in-need-is-a-friend-indeed-turkey-china.546919/

LMAO @ billionaire open pooper.


As of ttp fighting for islam, which obv is the misuse of islamic teachings as no act comitted by ttp is ever justified via quran. But since ur point is that ttp uses islams name hence, islam is not right. Then we can use this logic and talk about pushtoon nationalist or baloch terror groups whole kill (mainly baloch groups) ppl in the name of ethnciity. So going by that logic the whole ethnic identification is also a wrong idea cause ppl misuse ideas of ethnicities to perpetrate massacres.


As of saudia flipping out of FATF. Dont you think this point contradicts ur own statement regarding ones personal understanding of islam? Because JUD group because of which paksitan was dragged to FATF ,fights for kashmiris in iok using islams name and paksitan supports that group , so saudia can use ur logic and say that JUD is a terror group who uses islams self made interpretation so they are not bound to show support to pakistan in support of such group.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Well, not according to the reasoning peddled by many here and in the Taliban. Sovereignty belongs to Allah therefore parliament has no right to go against the will of almighty, Quran or the Sunnah. TTP feel and interpret that Pakistan, Pakistani parliament is going against Islam and soveriegnty of allah. They are not only the ones who think this. If you accept that sovereignty lies with Allah you are going to have to accept that whe a Muslim or Muslims adjudge that parliament is going against the Quran,. Sunnah they are obliged to go against the state and if neccessary use force to defend Isla,. They call that 'jihad'.

And who are TTP to declare Jihad? Are they the state? Only the state can declare Jihad according to Islam. Otherwise TTP are bloody murderers and must be condemned.

If you want an Islamic state, join politics, and use democracy to get it.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And who are TTP to declare Jihad? Are they the state? Only the state can declare Jihad according to Islam.

TTP regard sovereignty as vested in the Almighty - not the state. Thus they adjudge that the state is colloborating with pro Zionist forces ilke US that thus they are obliged to decalare jihad against such a state.

 

[MultaniGuy]

TTP regard sovereignty as vested in the Almighty - not the state. Thus they adjudge that the state is colloborating with pro Zionist forces ilke US that thus they are obliged to decalare jihad against such a state.

In Islam, only the state or government can declare a legitimate Jihad against an enemy.

TTP is nobody to declare a Jihad, they have no authority to do that.

They are just misguided idiotic rebels or terrorists.

We can agree to disagree.

You want an Islamic state, use democracy and parliamentary politics then.

But nobody has the right to pick up arms and go against the state to have their way.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

I agree with him.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

In their view what is so especial about this state? It is one state in list of many other states all purporting to be 'Islamic' but more often then not led by corrupt elite. And frankly you got to say some of what they say makes sense unless you think NS or Abbasi are pious pillars of virtue lol !

 

[MultaniGuy]

I agree with him.

Assuming you are Hindu you will agree with anything goes against Islam.
Why don't you update your Hinduism instead. Get rid of Sati from your culture!

In their view what is so especial about this state? It is one state in list of many other states all purporting to be 'Islamic' but more often then not led by corrupt elite. And frankly you got to say some of what they say makes sense unless you think NS or Abbasi are pious pillars of virtue lol !

Nobody has the right to do an armed rebellion against a government.

Sure Nawaz Sharif and Abbasi are not saints, but they should focus on improving the state instead of doing an armed rebellion.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

In Islam, only the state or government can declare a legitimate Jihad against an enemy.

Really? So if Afghanistan, Iran etc declared a 'jihad' against Pakistan would that be legitimate 'in Islam'? Both are states, both purport to be 'Islamia Jamoorias'???