Erdogan: Islam needs to be updated. You cannot apply Islam with laws from 14 centuries ago.

[MultaniGuy]

Really? So if Afghanistan, Iran etc declared a 'jihad' against Pakistan would that be legitimate 'in Islam'? Both are states, both purport to be 'Islamia Jamoorias'???

Only if Pakistan is the wrong party in the conflict.

Muslims also fought each other during the Iraq-Iran war.

What is your point?

Only a government can declare Jihad, not some nilly-willy group of people.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Sure Nawaz Sharif and Abbasi are not states

I said - "led". I did not say their person was the state but that they led these states.

'Islamic' but more often then not led by corrupt elite

 

[MultaniGuy]

I said - "led". I did not say their person was the state but that they led these states.

Sorry, it was a typo. I meant saints and not states. I type way too quickly.

I have corrected my post now.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Assuming you are Hindu you will agree with anything goes against Islam.
Why don't you update your Hinduism instead. Get rid of Sati from your culture!

There is no sati culture in India.
It has been banned centuries ago.
BTW it was not a religious thing in Hinduism, it was imposed.
Hinduism reformed many rituals in modern era.
Now come to the topic of this thread.
Note- im not a religious guy.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Only if Pakistan is the wrong party in the conflict.

Who decides that? Me, you, Modijee, TTP, Pakistan itself???? Or do we get to call 'upstairs' and get a confirmation or a fax???

 

[MultaniGuy]

It is a pleasure to talk to you @Kaptaan
but let's get back to the point of the thread. If we go by the title, it means Islam needs to be changed which is unacceptable because it means changing the religion.

Who decides that? Me, you, Modijee, TTP, Pakistan itself???? Or do we get to call 'upstairs' and get a confirmation or a fax???

Islamic judges and scholars can decide that in both the countries in the war.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I got to sign off but Erdogan is 100% right. Istanbul. That great city. The once home of the most potent Muslim empire the world had seen. Now again from the bosom of the Ottoman Empire rises the possibility of reformation in Islam. That is inspiring !

One day rest of the Muslim world which is centuries behind will catch up.

It is a pleasure to talk to you

And vice versa. We will perhaps pick up this thread some other time. Regards.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

It is a pleasure to talk to you @Kaptaan
but let's get back to the point of the thread. If we go by the title, it means Islam needs to be changed which is unacceptable because it means changing the religion.


Islamic judges and scholars can decide that in both the countries in the war.

Reforming you religious ideology doesn't mean you are changing your religion, it means you are reforming it for good in 21st century . I will support any reform in any religion for humanity

 

[I.R.A]

Reforming you religious ideology doesn't mean you are changing your religion, it means you are reforming it for good in 21st century . I will support any reform in any religion for humanity

How about we start with the most backward superstitious people ...... who happen to be in billion by the way?

Its funny you know, to read expert views of people who themselves happen to have the most superstitious backward society in modern times .......

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Erdogen is my Hero

 

[shah_123]

I got to sign off but Erdogan is 100% right. Istanbul. That great city. The once home of the most potent Muslim empire the world had seen. Now again from the bosom of the Ottoman Empire rises the possibility of reformation in Islam. That is inspiring !

One day rest of the Muslim world which is centuries behind will catch up.

And vice versa. We will perhaps pick up this thread some other time. Regards.

I think you are more interested in reformation than the rising of an Islamic empire.

What exactly are reformations you want, elaborate please.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

How about we start with the most backward superstitious people ...... who happen to be in billion by the way?

Its funny you know, to read expert views of people who themselves happen to have the most superstitious backward society in modern times .......

But most of them supports reforming the society and don't want to live in 5000 B.C.
This is a postive sign.
But i can't see much support within to reform 1400 years old ideology.
This is the difference.

 

[LegionnairE]

First of all this is probably just a trick to get the secularist votes. Erdogan is extremely conservative but he realizes that the dumb shit islamic authorities in Turkey say end up hurting him.

 

[I.R.A]

But most of them supports reforming the society and don't want to live in 5000 B.C.
This is a postive sign.
But i can't see much support within to reform 1400 years old ideology.
This is the difference.

In Islam's case no one is going to write a new Sutra and people would start following it as a cultural thing. In Muslims' case it is not mainly reforming or reforms ..... but going back to the original forgotten misinterpreted message.

In your society's case people tend to be highly superstitious and prone to exploitation, any rapist baba can form a cult and zombies would start worshiping him.

 

[Muhammed45]

Change Islamic laws wherever it doesn't get applied on your ambitions. Ale Saudi has been doing this for tens of years, waging religious conflicts in favor of their British Lords.

Erdogan is just too late,

To join this sectarian club, welcome Erdogan, new Vatican as it seems.