Erdoan to visit Gaza as Israel ties remain in deep freeze

[madmusti]

@500

Like BMC & Hatehof ? Don´t think so !

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Let me be honest with you my friend, what you were saying about Persians and Azeries is erogenous and has nothing to do with the reality. It's a long story and could derail the thread, but I tell and hope you trust me it's not true.

Maybe People resist the Arab way. Maybe they have differences. Havent Arabs differences?

Because of those differences, USA and Jews play with Muslims. They support the weak Muslim against strong Muslim. Then when weak gets stronger, they support another rebel group.

Because you supported Saddam against Iran during 80's, you are sandwiched between Zionists and US in the West and Iranians in the east. Same way the Ottomans failed.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Is the piano an "evil western instrument meant to destroy muslim morals"...and i thought i've heard it all...



Come on now,be honest,if that were true do you really think Turkey could withstand the firepower of european nations combined?Why haven't the europeans wiped you out?(they certainly have the means). If they trully wanted what you say they could of send all turks packing out of Europe! Be reasonable people ,it's not us vs you,this is idiotic.Turkey should do what's best for her,thrive in good relations with everybody.

When i hear you guys saying this i truly wonder what would happen to Europe if the roles were reversed(if muslim nations had the european firepower i mean),somehow i think that we would be wiped out.

His views are extreme and doesn't represent but only himself. We have a saying, there is Islam but not Muslims in the West but there are Muslims but not Islam in Muslim countries and it's very true.

Maybe People resist the Arab way. Maybe they have differences. Havent Arabs differences?

Because of those differences, USA and Jews play with Muslims. They support the weak Muslim against strong Muslim. Then when weak gets stronger, they support another rebel group.

Because you supported Saddam against Iran during 80's, you are sandwiched between Zionists and US in the West and Iranians in the east. Same way the Ottomans failed.

There is nothing called the Arab way man, you just follow Quraan and Sahih Sunah and just forget about others. For the rest I don't agree with you buddy.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

There is nothing called the Arab way man, you just follow Quraan and Sahih Sunah and just forget about others. For the rest I don't agree with you buddy.

Quran has many open areas that humans fill. Instead of losing people to Christianity or Shamanism, soften the belts.

Your Salafism cannot make way into mainstream Turkish community. If this trend continues, you can kiss goodbye to Ummah. Have some tolerance on Sufism or Westerners Will wipe out the entire Islam. The tapis under your feet is going away.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Until Cast Lead operation Erdogan's policy towards Israel was not really different from previous:

Improvement since 2002 is coincidence just like fall in 2009. Actually ME trade started to rice in 2002, a year before Erdogan came to power.

Here also the overall Turkish trade:

It follows virtually the same pattern.

Although I don't follow you well, but when Turkey had great relations with Israel, it's relations with Arabs was normal, but not as it's now. Anyway, good for you both

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Quran has many open areas that humans fill. Instead of losing people to Christianity or Shamanism, soften the belts.

Your Salafism cannot make way into mainstream Turkish community. If this trend continues, you can kiss goodbye to Ummah. Have some tolerance on Sufism or Westerners Will wipe out the entire Islam. The tapis under your feet is going away.

Sufisim? So, what you are technically telling me is that there are gaps in Quraan that would be only filled by dancing and singing at shrines?

I was not talking about Salafisim but rather about true and moderate Islam. Anyway, I have no desire to go further with this. No offence buddy, but there are allot of weird people here.

 

[TurAr]

Sufisim? So, what you are technically telling me is that there are gaps in Quraan that would be only filled by dancing and singing at shrines?

I was not talking about Salafisim but rather about true and moderate Islam. Anyway, I have no desire to go further with this. No offence buddy, but there are allot of weird people here.

Let me tell you guys what true Islam is: It is your personal belief, just keep it between you and Allah.

 

[what]

Improvement since 2002 is coincidence just like fall in 2009. Actually ME trade started to rice in 2002, a year before Erdogan came to power.
It follows virtually the same pattern.

Although you're right, 2008 clearly shows us something about the Middle Eastern mindset.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Although you're right, 2008 clearly shows us something about the Middle Eastern mindset.

You people swallow anything told to you. World trade does improve all the time, and virtually all countries all over the world trade improved with the very same pattern, so not only Turkey or ME. He tried to hide his embarrassing mistake which was claiming that Turkish trade dropped in 2009 due to Israel-Turkey relation deterioration, and I refuted it as that year witnessed a global economic crisis. He deliberately concentrates on trade while Arab-Turkish relations dramatically have been improving in all fields since 2002, which considerably contributed in flourishing Turkish economy and political influence.

For the another part about mindsets, stop acting like you any better than this ME. Plz.

 

[Inspector Spacetime]

Sufisim? So, what you are technically telling me is that there are gaps in Quraan that would be only filled by dancing and singing at shrines?

I was not talking about Salafisim but rather about true and moderate Islam. Anyway, I have no desire to go further with this. No offence buddy, but there are allot of weird people here.

From my experience, people have 2 different notions of Sufism.

For instance, when I ask certain people about Sufism, they say that Sufism is a moderate form of Islam. Not being strict concerning it's rules.

The Sufism that I know of, that I learned of, is that it is a level to reach in Islam. It's not a choice if you become a Sufi, but rather if you are able to become one. They spend their free time with prayer because they have disciplined their nefs/nafs so much, that their nafs is telling them to pray, study or do other useful things.
Nafs by the way, is your desire's. If you have homework to do for instance, but you have the desire to watch tv instead, that desire is nafs.

Edit: Sorry for the off-topic post.

 

[Oublious]

Is the piano an "evil western instrument meant to destroy muslim morals"...and i thought i've heard it all...

Wtf? I wrote fazil say is insulting muslims. I didnt say his stupid piano is western evil. Fazil say says to people who dont listen piano dumb. Thats one of the problems like you.

wher did i write "Is the piano an "evil western instrument meant to destroy muslim morals"? We say in Turkish whit wat did you read you? It doesn't sound logical in english but is something to think about before you write something.

 

[what]

You people swallow anything told to you. World trade does improve all the time, and virtually all countries all over the world trade improved with the very same pattern, so not only Turkey or ME. He tried to hide his embarrassing mistake which was claiming that Turkish trade dropped in 2009 due to Israel-Turkey relation deterioration, and I refuted it as that year witnessed a global economic crisis. He deliberately concentrates on trade while Arab-Turkish relations dramatically have been improving in all fields since 2002, which considerably contributed in flourishing Turkish economy and political influence.

For the another part about mindsets, stop acting like you any better than this ME. Plz.

First of all take a look at the graph 500 posted especially 2008, does not seem like organic growth.

And second: Yes we are better, as long as there is Atatürks shadow over Turkey we will be different. Once the countries loses its connections to the principles of its founding partner it will turn into whatever the Middle East is today.

Wtf? I wrote fazil say is insulting muslims. I didnt say his stupid piano is western evil. Fazil say says to people who dont listen piano dumb. Thats one of the problems like you.

wher did i write "Is the piano an "evil western instrument meant to destroy muslim morals"? We say in Turkish whit wat did you read you? It doesn't sound logical in english but is something to think about before you write something.

You said we dont need piano players in Turkey somewhere on the first page. What was that supposed to mean?

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

First of all take a look at the graph 500 posted especially 2008, does not seem like organic growth.

And second: Yes we are better, as long as there is Atatürks shadow over Turkey we will be different. Once the countries loses its connections to the principles of its founding partner it will turn into whatever the Middle East is today.

I really doubt you were any better than any ME country, I mean, look at Turkish members here, most of them live outside Turkey. Why?

 

[TurAr]

I really doubt you were any better than any ME country, I mean, look at Turkish members here, most of them live outside Turkey. Why?

I don't know to which time period you are reffering by that, but Turkey has always been a better country in almost every aspect than those shtholes in ME. No hard feelings.

As for your question:

Turkish Citizens Living Abroad

Turkish community living abroad amounts to more than 5 million people, around 4 million of which live in Western European countries, 300.000 in Northern America, 200.000 in the Middle East and 150.000 in Australia. This number increases to 8 million when 3 million Turkish migrants who returned Turkey are taken into account.
Meeting the needs and bringing solutions to the problems of this community which constitutes one of the most important dimensions of our relations with Western European countries are regarded as one of our foreign policy priorities.
Turkish citizens living abroad are in the responsibility of Directorate General for Consular Affairs. In addition to traditional consular services, our Ministry is closely following the problems of our citizens with an effort to prevent them feeling isolated; encourage and support their participation in the society they live in.
The immigration of Turkish citizens started in the early years of 1960s to compensate for the labor force deficit of the rapidly growing West European countries. The common goal of first wave of Turkish "guest workers", mostly of rural origin, is to collect capital to start a small business in Turkey. Most of the “guest workers” left their families behind in Turkey.

In order to facilitate and regulate the movement of labor force, and to meet the needs of employers and workers, Turkey signed Labor Force Agreements with the destination countries beginning with Germany in 1961, followed by Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands in 1964, France in 1965 and Australia in 1967.

In the beginning of 1970s, the status of Turkish immigrants in Western European countries shifted from temporary to permanent stay. This transformation was felt solidly in the wake of 1974 oil crisis, in particular, which gave rise to the stagnation that forced the destination governments by halting labor force immigration to seek means of encouraging already admitted immigrants either to return home or to reunite with their families with a vision to integrate with local communities.

The immigration of Turkish workers into Western Europe continued until 1974. From 1974 onwards, Turkish labor force changed its destination towards North Africa, Middle East and Gulf countries. Following the disintegration of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), the labor force was directed towards Russian Federation and Central Asian Countries. This transformation brought about opening-up of the Turkish economy to the world and Turkish contractors undertaking infrastructure projects in the region.

Today, the major part of the Turkish community abroad is permanently residing in the host countries and has obtained the citizenship of these countries. Population of the Turkish community is increasing mainly from family reunification and the relatively high birth-rate.

The Turkish community has contributed significantly to the economic development of the host countries. Most of the community members also contribute to the host countries’ political, social, cultural and economic life not only as blue-collar labor force but also as professionals such as academicians, scientists, doctors, journalists, engineers, lawyers, entrepreneurs, artisans, politicians, athletes etc.

In economic view, many members of the Turkish community left their laborer identity and have established their private businesses. The number of companies established by Turkish businessmen in Western Europe has risen to approximately 140.000 (70.000 in Germany). These enterprises provide jobs for 640.000 employees (330.000 in Germany). Their total annual turnover exceeds 50 billion Euros (32,7 billion Euros in Germany). According to the latest statistics, the annual expenditure of the Turkish citizens living in Western Europe amounts to 22.7 billion Euros.

Turkish Citizens Living Abroad / Rep. of Turkey Ministry of Foreign Affairs

 

[what]

This is such a dumb question.

First of all I doubt that most of them live outside. Second many Turks in Europe turn nuts and a forum like these attracts a lot of idiots (whether its Islamists or Nationalists). We have a huge disaspora for historic reasons and many of them are returning like in Germany where for a few years now more Turks left the country then entered. Those who left were educated or highly-skilled and have the money and skills to make it in Turkey. Many of the Turks that are staying dont have these guarantees and therefor decide to stay (who can blame them, its good in Germany).

So BLACKEAGLE tell me a single thing that Jordan has, that Turkey doesnt?
PS: Monarchy does not count. We allready decided that its bulls.hit.