Era of wars over, ready to resolve all issues with India: Pakistan

[roshangjha]

Of course, India promised it. In fact, it was decided in the UN resolution to have a referendum.

However, there was a condition to be fulfilled before that.

The Pakistani Army had to retreat. I don't think you kept your promise.


Also, before you speak of whom India invaded and whom it didn't, look at what you did to Kalat.

 

[Tamizhan]

You never addressed the rest of my article, why is that?
could it be that even you can't deny those facts.
As for invading, once again, India invaded the Sultanates which decided to go with Pakistan and it also invaded kingdoms that wanted Independence.
We Pakistanis are not as hypocritical as some people, so we agree with India invading those places. Independence was not on the table for the states and the Sultans had mostly Hindu population. Indians chose to ignore this because they are an aggresive state and simply want to expand their borders.

The invasion of Kashmir was the first post independence. Only after Jinnah decided to invade Kashmir did India follow on Pakistan's example and liberated Junagadh and Hyderabad.

If you have any doubts look upon the dates of the invasions and see which occurred first.

As for Kashmir, India also promised a plebiscite. Where is it?

For the plebiscite to happen, U resolutions mandate Pakistan must remove all its military from entire Kashmir. Do that and then we can talk about plebiscite.

 

[Awesome]

I donno about Zardari guy, but i find Gilani , appealing respectable and showing patience in solving a problem...
He can giude the country well, if he has real powers, instead of the military

In his constituency he has a Prophet like persona and controls the masses like dumbass zealots. He is no statesman.

He is considered a Peer to be exact? Why because that's the status of the Gilani family in that area.

You really don't want to pin your hopes with a nutcase like him.

 

[roshangjha]

For all the Pakistanis who think that India invaded Kashmir, I have a video.

Watch it. It's by someone from your country. SOMEONE intelligent and knowledge enough to understand and acknowledge the truth.

 

[JayAtl]

For all the Pakistanis who think that India invaded Kashmir, I have a video.

Watch it. It's by someone from your country. SOMEONE intelligent and knowledge enough to understand and acknowledge the truth.

I will spare my fellow Pakistani posters the time to post and do it for them
He is a RAW CIA MOSSAD agent. Only men in red caps are official historians in the world

 

[Abhishek_]

i would much rather have Pakistanis believe the zaid hamid version of history, just makes our job easier when thrashing them at global diplomatic circles.

 

[Rusty]

Of course, India promised it. In fact, it was decided in the UN resolution to have a referendum.

However, there was a condition to be fulfilled before that.

The Pakistani Army had to retreat. I don't think you kept your promise.


Also, before you speak of whom India invaded and whom it didn't, look at what you did to Kalat.

What kind of herbs are you smoking?
Where on earth did it say that Pakistan would have to withdraw from a disputed territory and effectively give it to India?
India invaded, with the promise of giving the local people a vote on their future. India lied and never delivered. Instead it held on to the land with military might and souring relations with not only the Locals but also with Pakistan.
Once again, showing India as an aggressor state in South Asia.

 

[roshangjha]

What kind of herbs are you smoking?
Where on earth did it say that Pakistan would have to withdraw from a disputed territory and effectively give it to India?
India invaded, with the promise of giving the local people a vote on their future. India lied and never delivered. Instead it held on to the land with military might and souring relations with not only the Locals but also with Pakistan.
Once again, showing India as an aggressor state in South Asia.

Dude, refer to the video above. Play it atleast once and you will understand who is smoking what.

Please play it once and get out of your ignorance. There are very few intellectuals in Pakistan. Listen to them. Also, read what the world has to say on the matter.

If need be, read the actual UN resolution. Here it is for your convenience.



The United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan.

Having given careful consideration to the points of view expressed by the representatives of India and Pakistan regarding the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir; and

Being of the opinion that the prompt cessation of hostilities and the correction of conditions the continuance of which is likely to endanger international peace and security are essential to implementation of its endeavors to assist the Governments of India and Pakistan in effecting a final settlement of the situation;

Resolves to submit simultaneously to the Governments of India and Pakistan the following proposal:
PART I: CEASE-FIRE ORDER

A. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease-fire order to apply to all forces under their control and in the State of Jammu and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been accepted by both Governments.

B.The High Commands of the Indian and Pakistani forces agree to refrain from taking any measures that might augment the military potential of the forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. ( For the purpose of these proposals forces under their control shall be considered to include all forces, organized and unorganized, fighting or participating in hostilities on their respective sides.

C.The Commanders-in-Chief of the forces of India and Pakistan shall promptly confer regarding any necessary local changes in present dispositions which may facilitate the cease-fire.

D. In its discretion and as the Commission may find practicable, the Commission will appoint military observers who, under the authority of the Commission and with the co-operation of both Commands, will supervise the observance of the cease-fire order.

E. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and maintaining an atmosphere favourable to the promotion of further negotiations.
PART II: TRUCE AGREEMENT
Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both the Governments accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in discussion between their representatives and the Commission.

A.

1. As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State.

2. The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavour to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting.

3. Pending a final solution, the territory evacuated by the Pakistani troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the commission.

B.

1.When the commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistani nationals referred to in Part II, A, 2, hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistani forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of its forces from that State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission.

2. Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of the cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers stationed where it deems necessary.

3. The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures within its powers to make it publicly known that peace, law and order will be safeguarded and that all human political rights will be granted.

4. Upon signature, the full text of the truce agreement or a communique containing the principles thereof as agreed upon between the two Governments and the Commission, will be made public.

PART III

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan reaffirm their wish that the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end, upon acceptance of the truce agreement, both Governments agree to enter into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.

 

[clmeta]

India didn't invade Goa. They liberated it.

India invaded Goa, there is no ifs, ands or Buts.
On a moral grounds, I do understand why India did it.
But As a Pakistani, the invasion of Goa re-affirms to me India's aggressive stance in South Asia. And also explains why they invaded Kashmir.

 

[Rusty]

The invasion of Kashmir was the first post independence. Only after Jinnah decided to invade Kashmir did India follow on Pakistan's example and liberated Junagadh and Hyderabad.

If you have any doubts look upon the dates of the invasions and see which occurred first.



For the plebiscite to happen, U resolutions mandate Pakistan must remove all its military from entire Kashmir. Do that and then we can talk about plebiscite.

Once again, I am showing you Indians on how not to be hypocritical.
India and Pakistan both invaded provinces, the difference is that Pakistan has no problem with India invading provinces that were majority Hindu. We see that as India's right since the population wanted it.
however, India was not satisfied with simply controlling Hindu majority lands. India wanted to control most if not all of south Asia. Thus the invasion of Kashmir and bad relations with it's neighbor.


And no matter how much repeat a lie, it will not make it true.
No one at the UN is stupid enough to tell one party to give up their part of the dispute to 2nd party in hopes of a plebiscite.

 

[Agni5000]

Once again, I am showing you Indians on how not to be hypocritical.
India and Pakistan both invaded provinces, the difference is that Pakistan has no problem with India invading provinces that were majority Hindu. We see that as India's right since the population wanted it.
however, India was not satisfied with simply controlling Hindu majority lands. India wanted to control most if not all of south Asia. Thus the invasion of Kashmir and bad relations with it's neighbor.


And no matter how much repeat a lie, it will not make it true.
No one at the UN is stupid enough to tell one party to give up their part of the dispute to 2nd party in hopes of a plebiscite.

One question, why not pakistan do plebiscite in its kashmir. Why there is media blockade?

 

[Rusty]

Dude, refer to the video above. Play it atleast once and you will understand who is smoking what.

Please play it once and get out of your ignorance. There are very few intellectuals in Pakistan. Listen to them. Also, read what the world has to say on the matter.

If need be, read the actual UN resolution. Here it is for your convenience.



The United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan.

Having given careful consideration to the points of view expressed by the representatives of India and Pakistan regarding the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir; and

Being of the opinion that the prompt cessation of hostilities and the correction of conditions the continuance of which is likely to endanger international peace and security are essential to implementation of its endeavors to assist the Governments of India and Pakistan in effecting a final settlement of the situation;

Resolves to submit simultaneously to the Governments of India and Pakistan the following proposal:
PART I: CEASE-FIRE ORDER

A. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease-fire order to apply to all forces under their control and in the State of Jammu and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been accepted by both Governments.

B.The High Commands of the Indian and Pakistani forces agree to refrain from taking any measures that might augment the military potential of the forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. ( For the purpose of these proposals forces under their control shall be considered to include all forces, organized and unorganized, fighting or participating in hostilities on their respective sides.

C.The Commanders-in-Chief of the forces of India and Pakistan shall promptly confer regarding any necessary local changes in present dispositions which may facilitate the cease-fire.

D. In its discretion and as the Commission may find practicable, the Commission will appoint military observers who, under the authority of the Commission and with the co-operation of both Commands, will supervise the observance of the cease-fire order.

E. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and maintaining an atmosphere favourable to the promotion of further negotiations.
PART II: TRUCE AGREEMENT
Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both the Governments accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in discussion between their representatives and the Commission.

A.

1. As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State.

2. The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavour to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting.

3. Pending a final solution, the territory evacuated by the Pakistani troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the commission.

B.

1.When the commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistani nationals referred to in Part II, A, 2, hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistani forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of its forces from that State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission.

2. Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of the cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers stationed where it deems necessary.

3. The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures within its powers to make it publicly known that peace, law and order will be safeguarded and that all human political rights will be granted.

4. Upon signature, the full text of the truce agreement or a communique containing the principles thereof as agreed upon between the two Governments and the Commission, will be made public.

PART III

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan reaffirm their wish that the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end, upon acceptance of the truce agreement, both Governments agree to enter into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.

I don't know if you guys can read English properly but someone's "opinion" does not make a UN resolution.
Nice try tho, next time come up with a better lier.

 

[roshangjha]

Once again, I am showing you Indians on how not to be hypocritical.
India and Pakistan both invaded provinces, the difference is that Pakistan has no problem with India invading provinces that were majority Hindu. We see that as India's right since the population wanted it.
however, India was not satisfied with simply controlling Hindu majority lands. India wanted to control most if not all of south Asia. Thus the invasion of Kashmir and bad relations with it's neighbor.


And no matter how much repeat a lie, it will not make it true.
No one at the UN is stupid enough to tell one party to give up their part of the dispute to 2nd party in hopes of a plebiscite.

That line from you rests my case.

They are not fools. They tell Pakistan to withdraw as can be seen in the above UN resolution. Hence, proved.

 

[Jason bourne]

prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani is a RAW agent

 

[Rusty]

One question, why not pakistan do plebiscite in its kashmir. Why there is media blockade?

We can do a plebiscite in kashmire every year for the next 20 years and the results will be the same
why are you guys so scared to fulfill your promise?

The question here is not about the people, as India clearly does not care about them.
The question is about India's aggressive stance in South Asia.