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Enough of army-bashing...now let

Enough of army-bashing...now let’s look ahead

Ayaz Amir
Friday, June 24, 2011

Never a dull moment in the Islamic Republic. Pakistani politics, always interesting, is now getting positively exciting. But this, instead of leading the regular doom-and-gloom brigade into more depression, should be cause for come cheer. The disorder under the heavens it portrays could be the harbinger of glad tidings.

Pakistan’s problem is a truly democratic transition. In all our history not one democratic government has been able to complete its term and hand over the torch of responsibility to another popularly-elected government. It just might happen this time if, with all its shortcomings, the present dispensation holds and we safely come up to the next elections. It won’t be the magical cure to end power and other shortages, or show us the outline of the promised kingdom of our dreams, but it will be a crucial step in the right direction.

So patience and a little forbearance, and the fervent prayer that we don’t wreck the national train in the meantime. Just last year media jihadis, their deadly fervour never to be underestimated, were giving one deadline after another about imminent change at the top. Now, Allah be praised, even the foam around their mouths has dried up, their frustration being a sight to behold.

The heating up of the national atmosphere thus should cause us no great distress. This should be as it is, the battle-lines drawn sharper and national discourse developing along clearer lines. As this heat grows, and it should, the greater the pressure on all political parties to spell out their positions on important issues.

If there is one national problem, the severest of all, it is empty rhetoric. We could do with a bit more of substance in our national conversation. So let us take heart from the present clamour and not be dismayed by it.

One fallacy, however, is easily dismissed. On present evidence, there aren’t going to be early elections, no one being in a position to force this issue. So it is a bit of a long wait...between now and the end of 2012, which too should be counted a blessing – enough time for necessary homework. Any party relying only on the drumbeats of hollow rhetoric may be setting itself up for huge disappointment. So this is perhaps a cue for comrades to get cracking. No time to waste.

But the season of one exercise should now definitely be over...that of army-bashing. We’ve had enough of it, in buckets and with spades. There has been some cynical and sadistic pleasure in the exercise, as was bound to happen when a holy sanctum, long immune to any form of criticism or accountability, was caught all of a sudden in the glare of unwelcome and harsh publicity. But all of us having cast our stones, in fact hurled them with all our might, we could now do with some rest to our arms.

After all, this is our army and we don’t have the luxury of creating a new one. Even when nations lose wars and suffer catastrophic defeats, they don’t destroy their armies but strengthen them anew.

Our national ills are many but they weren’t all invented by the army. The army did not write the Objectives Resolution. It did not linger over the writing of our first constitution. Our national leadership, right from Jinnah onwards, were predisposed to seeking alliances with the United States. This did not happen because of the army, despite the army too being inclined in the same direction. The cry of Islam in danger, which we have been shouting from the housetops ever since the founding of Pakistan, was not devised by General Headquarters.

Jinnah took no orders from the army and it was Jinnah who said that Urdu should be the national language, causing anger and riots in East Pakistan. One can go on with this list.

Yes, the army is the author of many of our sorrows but not the sole author. Elements of the governing class with a say in determining the course of national elements have been equally responsible. If the army’s outlook needs to be reformed – and there’s no question of this – so does the outlook of the rest of us, all of us having made our little contributions to the cesspool of confusion which the Islamic Republic, in all its bewildering manifestations, has become. So the task and agenda of reform are wider than we care to think.


Gen Musharraf wanted it otherwise, but the present army command saw to it that the 2008 elections were free and fair. In all the army-bashing which seems to have become the flavour of the season this should not be forgotten.

The return to professionalism, the eschewing of overt political games (although the same, alas, cannot be said of covert games), and the operations in Swat and South Waziristan are not small achievements. If the army continues to call the shots on important issues it may partly be due to conscious design but to a great extent because of political inadequacy.

No one, after all, will accuse Yousuf Raza Gilani of being a Tayyip Erdogan. With a chief executive like him, with his own sense of priorities and his own brand of humour – and let no one say that the prime minister is a man without humour – any general, even the most vapid, would be inclined to spread his wings.


So we should keep things in perspective. Pakistan’s multifarious ills will not be cured in a day. The army’s outlook will not change overnight. If we have taken a long time to nurture our distresses, it will take some time to remove the various cobwebs clogging the national mind. That is, if we are at all lucky in this undertaking – there being equal chances, if not more, that we will remain beset by the ideological claptrap which has had such an enduring grip on our national thinking.

There may have been bitterness and anger in the statement issued after the last Corps Commanders’ Conference but didn’t it also call upon the people of North Waziristan not to allow foreigners to make their territory a base for operations against Pakistan? This is a departure from the Hamid Gul and Aslam Beg schools of ideological thought, the jihadi theology we should finally be consigning to the trashcan of history. Shouldn’t we welcome it? And shouldn’t we welcome the fact that the army is doing this on its own instead of under American suggestion or dictation?

The strangest thing of all is that this army command, after all the bowing and scraping of the Musharraf years, is finally standing up to the Americans and trying to work out new rules of engagement with them. And yet this very command is coming under harsh criticism from the very elements whose foremost mantra is national dignity and honour and national sovereignty.

There is no winning this game: being attacked for subservience and then coming under more attack for showing a rare streak of independence. There is no suiting some tastes.

If the army is going after a banned religious outfit like the Hizb-ut-Tehrir what is there to object about it? All of us are entitled to our religious beliefs but there should be no place in the army for an outfit which subscribes, as the Hizb does, to a form of the caliphate.

Soldiers are bound by their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of Pakistan. If they subscribe to something else, they can create their own salvation army or erect some other temple to their beliefs but they should leave the army alone. So it is not a little surprising to find politicians – mercifully, not too many – cavilling at the arrest of some Hizb-inclined officers.

There is much to set right in the army. But then there is much to set right in the nation. If the army, at long last, is moving in the right direction it deserves our support, instead of becoming an object of reflexive target-shooting...as a mark, I suppose, of some higher kind of patriotism.



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Looking at the time of reply 02.34 am, either you are not in pakistan, or not able to get good tight sleep. Looks like mil bus not running properly, thats reason for these articles.

Was out for dinner with family friends. Even when i posted above from my cell phone, i was on the way to home. We enjoy every moment of our life that is bless from our Pak Army. Now really going to bed with a pleasent thought in my mind 'our army is awake'. Take care, good night.
 
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has it all changed? I slept early last night.... what happened ?
 
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people should remember that it was there army that kicked the TTP out of swat, and i dont think the majority population has a problem with the army. Only nawaz sharif constantly keeps barking out loud about it, because of what mush did to him a decade ago. Kayani has a approval rating of appx. 55% and IK has it of 65%. these two are on top.!!!!
 
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Looks like..it's time the fashion (of bashing the Army) should go antediluvian.
 
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I never quite understood why Ayaz Amir joined PML-N. He's a retired Captain and a well-known journalist and most of the times says the right things. Even now when his party is hell bent upon ridiculing the Army, he comes up with a middle, more reasonable path. He can do much better in elections as an independent candidate rather than fighting under the banner of the Bald Babbar Sher.
 
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Well the title should be 'enough with political mileage due to army bashing, hun banday day puttar bano'.

It is our great army who gives us tight sleep every night. Long live :pakistan: long live Pak Army.

Pakistan is not only "Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi" ask the west - Pakistan.
 
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You move on after the Army has taken any corrective steps. CIA officers are being kicked out, no they are getting some more visas, drone attacks won't happen, drone attacks are happening, Nato strikes won't happen, Nato strikes are happening.

At this point, mazeed jootay khanay wali baatein ki hain Army k leaders ne.

Trust me there is an innate desire to forgive the Army and restore its previous glory. But it has to meet us half way. It has to at least come off as trying correct its mistakes and ji hazoori to the US.
 
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The problem we have is conflict of interest

a) Army has a educated class
b) Civilian sector is deprived of educated people as most have left country , and others are business minded

The political parties compromise of opportunistic hyenas - who openly come on TVs and they say
look people before us came and they "Did not paid taxes" I mean these people in Parliament are the real problem

When trouble looms its not the politicians , but its always our Military/ Army / Airforce/ Navy steps up.

So where is the problem in the mix is

a) Perception among general public that being in Military yields benefits that otherwise are not present for civilians
b) Difference in Justice available to Armed men vs Civilians
c) Failure of Civilian institutes - at same time success of institutes run by military Men ( to some extent)

So how can Pakistan as a nation - crub these perceptions that our general public has?

I think the solution is

a) Education Massive Funding (10-20 billion)
b) Taxation - over haul (10 billion to get every one in tax net)
c) Justice availability (1 billion for enforcement)


Once the taxation is over hauled - more $$$ will be available in Private sector - so both Military , and Civilian sectors will not fight over the same bone (or funds) as you would prefer to be called.

Secondly , Education/Justice will chance the conception in public that yes private sector , is also rewarding as Military sector this will ensure that public view the Military for the respectable institute it is - as oppose to a foreign entity, which is complete detached from rest of country.

Focus of Military should be

a) Strategy
b) Training
c) Protection
d) Sovereignty

The civilian sector should develop competence

To make corporations profitable

Military is not trained to run corporations

The top priority as a Public relations for Army should be to stay invisible

While its noted that Army men have been in CEO post for corporations to bring them out of losses in past - but that was done on basis of fear of Army - and their influence . Less corruption was likely faced in these cases because Army does operates on a different level of integrity then the normal CEOs in Pakistan.

So whats needed is that civilians should also get same level of protection from civilian law/ and courts. In order for the social network in Pakistan to yield results.


Top 50 Corporations have to get CEOs (National ) even if they happen to be brought in from outside , as was being done in Musharraf's time - that was a good policy for nation


Meanwhile politicians should focus on protecting he assets - and implementing laws and taxation


Currently what is happening in Pakistan is we have a man running sugar mills, a guy owning land in sindh has money , he is polical leader, and he is also head of squash federation , and he is also the head of subzi mundai , and then he is also present in parliment because he happens to be ellected chairman of cricket. In his part time he comes to parliment , and has no car when he files taxes.

That is the core problem - we have a culture of 1 man wearing 100 topi's (hats)

And the biggest insult to anyone is when you ask them about their financial documents for their company ... How dare you is closely followed by that look.



SEPERATION OF INTEREST IS NEEDED IN ALL INSTITUES IN PAKISTAN

DO ONE JOB BUT DO IT GOOD don't try to be hero and do Million things
 
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Suspected US Drone Strikes Kill At Least 21 In Pakistan

(RTTNews) - As many as 21 people have been killed Monday in attacks by suspected US robot-controlled aircraft in Pakistan's troubled northwestern tribal region bordering Afghanistan, reports said.

The missile strikes took place in insurgency-plagued South Waziristan, where Pakistani troops are engaged in counter-insurgency operations against Islamist outfits led by Tehreek-i-Taliban (TTP) and al-Qaeda.

According to an unnamed Pakistani intelligence official, a US pilotless aircraft fired four missiles at a truck in Shwal valley which demolished the vehicle. Later the bodies of eight militants were extricated from vehicle's mangled remains.

Quoting local reports, the official said there were three "foreigners" among those killed while five of those killed were TTP militants. Often the term 'foreigner' is used in the insurgency-plagued border regions to refer to al-Qaeda militants originally hailing from Arab countries or Central Asia.

Barely a few hours later, a drone aircraft fired two missiles at a house in Manto area. Another intelligence official, who too requested anonymity, said up to 13 people were confirmed killed in the missile strike. However, the identity of those killed was not immediately known.

The drone attacks have apparently touched a 'raw nerve' in the Pakistani establishment with some voicing concerns over what they see as an infringement on the country's sovereignity. However, diplomatic circles dismiss this as mere 'political grandstanding' as they believe that it has the tacit approval of the Pakistani powerful armed forces.

Despite opposition from Islamabad, Washington has persisted with drone strikes as this is central to its policy of snuffing out terrorism by targeting militant bases located deep inside Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal regions.

by RTT Staff Writer

Kayani cannot be put off the hook before he answers for these murders of Pakistanis
 
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Pakistan Army holds entirely Pakistan's fate since the 1950's, and it is the main responsible for Pakistan's situation - for better or worse.

The main problem is that de-facto the army is not accountable to anyone in Pakistan and is conducting the national security policy as it seems fit. This attitude of the army caused to the spread of corruption within its ranks and for it to gain economic benefits for its senior command.

Furthermore, the army quickly move to crush any opposition to its status in Pakistan and meddle in the political system in order to prevent any option of a strong civilian government that might confront it. When its position is threatened, the army does not hesitate to use force and conduct coups against an elected government.

Above all, the army is never sincere with the people of Pakistan. It glorify itself and its capabilities in order to justify its privileges and its high status above the other sectors, and develop unrealistic expectations among the masses that it can confront India. In addition it is trying to benefit form a close cooperation with the US while presenting itself to the public as against the US and its activities (like the drone strikes).

Furthermore, the army never provide any accounts to its obvious failures which it cannot hide, such as the 1971 War, the assassination in Zia and Benazir Bhutto, the AQ Khan proliferation network and lately the killing of OBL by the US.

Pakistan Army is indeed an army which has a state and not vice versa. The only way to make any significant change in its position is if it loses public sympathy and public opinion will demand to conduct reforms in this archaic organisation.
 
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Pakistan Army holds entirely Pakistan's fate since the 1950's, and it is the main responsible for Pakistan's situation - for better or worse.
That's a fact to an extent, but saying that it holds 'entirely Pakistan's fate' would be exaggerated. But then whom am i complaining to, a false-flagger?

The main problem is that de-facto the army is not accountable to anyone in Pakistan
Not accountable like DG ISI offered his resignation, NLC scam being inquired, the military being audited just like any other governmental institutions, a national level inquuiry being held in case of OBL kill etc etc?

and is conducting the national security policy as it seems fit.
It does so because the its civilian counterparts fail to do the same. It's simple as it could get. If you wont do, i'd do it for you.

This attitude of the army caused to the spread of corruption within its ranks and for it to gain economic benefits for its senior command.
Funny yet, if we go by your claims of the kinda power Army enjoys in Pakistan, the senior command has yet to reach the lowest threshold of its civilian counterparts who (as per you) hold no authority but still hold enough authority to embezzle, loot and corrupt every fcuking thing in this country!

Furthermore, the army quickly move to crush any opposition to its status in Pakistan and meddle in the political system in order to prevent any option of a strong civilian government that might confront it. When its position is threatened, the army does not hesitate to use force and conduct coups against an elected government.

Examples please.

If you consider the 1999 coup was the one of such moves, i can only think of you as a fail-troll.

Above all, the army is never sincere with the people of Pakistan.
Hmm..i never knew Pakistan Army has started inducted Martians instead of Pakistanis..!!

It what you say is correct then every Army that is or have ever conducted counter-insurgency operations would never be sincere to its People..!!

It glorify itself
Yes, we do that. Pat lo jerha patna aye..
and its capabilities
Correct again.

No wonder we are keeping your likes at bay!

in order to justify its privileges and its high status above the other sectors,
Actually the Army has delivered more than any other institution of Pakistan had ever. So we are a few proud bunch of Pakistanis who like to boast about our achievements every now and then. Ofcourse we dont have victories (to boast about) like killing the Lebanese, Palestine and those Flotilla guys.

and develop unrealistic expectations among the masses that it can confront India.
You are not sited for this discussion, as you dont know a tosh about the dynamics of Indo-Pak confrontations. Because had you known anything about it, you would have known that when it comes to india and Pakistan, there are no winners and losers. Keeping a giant three times are size (in all respects), alone is a big an achievement for Pakistanis.

In addition it is trying to benefit form a close cooperation with the US while presenting itself to the public as against the US and its activities (like the drone strikes).

^^Milking the US would have been a better choice of word.

Oh wait...but still we dont reach anywhere near the milking you guys do when it comes to the American Aid!!

Face-palm!

Furthermore, the army never provide any accounts to its obvious failures which it cannot hide, such as the 1971 War, the assassination in Zia and Benazir Bhutto, the AQ Khan proliferation network and lately the killing of OBL by the US.
This OBL killing episode was a golden opportunity for the civilians to take charge of the (Pakistan) affairs, but unfortunately it seems, that like previously, the elected representatives are not ready to shoulder the responsibility. Infact, they dont want to burden themselves with the holy task of National security and Foreign Policy.

Pakistan Army is indeed an army which has a state and not vice versa.
Rants as usual.
The only way to make any significant change in its position is if it loses public sympathy and public opinion will demand to conduct reforms in this archaic organisation.

If it didnt happen after the OBL Kill episode, it aint happening ever. FAIL!
 
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