Energy Marriage - Saudi Arabia and India

[EjazR]

Why are people flipping $hit over this?? We need to sell our Petrochemicals and we need all the Industrial know how we can get from anywhere and everywhere. This is business, pure and simple not "Zionist conspiracy" like our Propagandures here think. Not "Selling out" Pakistan. Not any of that. We signed deals for our companies to work in India and India is trying to troll Pakistan with it by over publicizing it. We signed a similar deal with Japan TODAY. And in February the president of the Ukraine will come here to sign also a similar deal. We signed this deal with China some years ago as well. Also we signed this deal with Turkey last year. Are all those "Zionist Conspiracies" too??

Just relax, some Pakistani brothers are shell shocked that even after their 60 year propaganda effort to demonize India as being the anti-Muslim and what not, Saudi's can see through it and based on their interests as well as interests of regional stability come forward and establish a strategic partnership.

Keeping that aside, India-West Asia energy corridor is a no brainer and will be one of THE most important energy relationships in the coming century. Both sides would do well to build up on it.

But I find the title very cheesy. What is Allah or religion got to do with a business transaction?

 

[Awesome]

no we dont....its organization of islamic country...we are not one constitutionally,politically or culturally...trash that idea..

thank god due to yahya khan the stupid idea of indira gandhi was blocked....

It's Organization of Islamic Conference.

 

[harpoon]

i thank the pakistanis for that...we can deal with the arab countries on a one on one diplomatic basis without getting into useless chai-biskoot organizations...

Agreed. The main agenda for OIC year after year is bashing Israel....which we cannot afford to do so.

 

[Awesome]

2) Pakistan always propagate out India as a Hindu country and belittling the fact it is the home of third largest Muslim country, that's why Yahya Khan went Paranoid when India was invited to Rabat conference.

Obviously you're a Hindu Majority and an overwhelming majority at that. Its simple reasoning that has worked till now despite India's temptation of a lot of dollars. Your argument is like saying the Earth is the largest Muslim world in the Universe. Sure its the world. Whether or not the Earth is Islamic would depend upon its majority.

For the layman at least. You can spin things like this turn them around like that and fit yourself in a definition then that's another thing.

 

[newdelhinsa]

But I find the title very cheesy. What is Allah or religion got to do with a business transaction?

The author named like a Christian pretending to be from some oil price website and trying to establish himself as an expert of oil economics. But the kind of language he has used is typical of some specific bigots. He is clearly unhappy with SA- India energy deals and trying to prompt SA not to deal with Hindus. He is speaking for Muslim Pakistan that she is not going to be happy about this deal.

 

[sputnik]

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Obviously you're a Hindu Majority and an overwhelming majority at that. Its simple reasoning that has worked till now despite India's temptation of a lot of dollars. Your argument is like saying the Earth is the largest Muslim world in the Universe. Sure its the world. Whether or not the Earth is Islamic would depend upon its majority.

For the layman at least. You can spin things like this turn them around like that and fit yourself in a definition then that's another thing.

all I like in this, is the way Pakistani are marketing this thing. From indian point of view it is business as usual, coz even if Saudi Arabia not like to go with this .... we might get same deal may be from Kuwait and Iraq in days to come.

American arm twisting is definetly there, They want India to dump Iran and may be thts why they want to rope in SA. But Pakistani, their kaypad warriors and their insecurity analyst(s), fail to see that.

For the sake of this forum, we should see how India will deal with Iran in coming days.

This whole Iran thing can be blessing in disguise if IPI pipeline didn't materialize and Pak. remain in dark

 

[patna_ke_presley]

Obviously you're a Hindu Majority and an overwhelming majority at that. Its simple reasoning that has worked till now despite India's temptation of a lot of dollars. Your argument is like saying the Earth is the largest Muslim world in the Universe. Sure its the world. Whether or not the Earth is Islamic would depend upon its majority.

For the layman at least. You can spin things like this turn them around like that and fit yourself in a definition then that's another thing.

We are Hindu majority but not a Hindu country which you guys always want to project us. Commenting without reading for what I made that Comment. It was about OIC membership and every country even with 7-8% of Muslim population got the membership of the Organisation like Suriname, Mozambique, Guyana, Ivory Coast. But Pakistanis were paranoid about India.

If we are Hindu majority country,is that our fault but Hinduism is not our state religion. Even they are 13.5% in India, they are still 170 Million in India and 170 Millions Muslims can't be ignored for Paranoia of Pakistanis.

 

[Zabaniyah]

We are Hindu majority but not a Hindu country which you guys always want to project us. Commenting without reading for what I made that Comment. It was about OIC membership and every country even with 7-8% of Muslim population got the membership of the Organisation like Suriname, Mozambique, Guyana, Ivory Coast. But Pakistanis were paranoid about India.

If we are Hindu majority country,is that our fault but Hinduism is not our state religion. Even they are 13.5% in India, they are still 170 Million in India and 170 Millions Muslims can't be ignored for Paranoia of Pakistanis.

Generally speaking, small countries in most cases are inconsequential.

 

[Awesome]

We are Hindu majority but not a Hindu country which you guys always want to project us.

If we are Hindu majority country,is that our fault but Hinduism is not our state religion. Even they are 13.5% in India, they are still 170 Million in India and 170 Millions Muslims can't be ignored for Paranoia of Pakistanis.

The point is, if you're not Hindu country then you're a secular one, then you should not want to merge with a religion oriented organization but you do, so that's suspect.

I mean we are just asking questions and you get uncomfortable with these questions and that's quite telling...

We haven't still started asking questions like about your track record on the treatment of Muslims - on Kashmir, the Gujarat genocide and so on.

Yes you have 150 million or so Muslims, but thats probably the reason why you shouldn't be given access since you've treated them poorly. What is there to project - you are not holding a plebiscite in Kashmir, Pakistan did not make up a story about you guys massacring 2000 Muslims in Gujarat in a week. Its all for real.

One thing you forget, in essence to be in OIC you have to be FOR the betterment of Islamic countries - India has positions against Pakistan, against Kashmir (which the OIC recognizes as a contentious issue that needs to be resolved). So how would it work?

 

[kingkobra]

The point is, if you're not Hindu country then you're a secular one, then you should not want to merge with a religion oriented organization but you do, so that's suspect.

I mean we are just asking questions and you get uncomfortable with these questions and that's quite telling...

We haven't still started asking questions like about your track record on the treatment of Muslims - on Kashmir, the Gujarat genocide and so on.

Yes you have 150 million or so Muslims, but thats probably the reason why you shouldn't be given access since you've treated them poorly. What is there to project - you are not holding a plebiscite in Kashmir, Pakistan did not make up a story about you guys massacring 2000 Muslims in Gujarat in a week. Its all for real.

One thing you forget, in essence to be in OIC you have to be FOR the betterment of Islamic countries - India has positions against Pakistan, against Kashmir (which the OIC recognizes as a contentious issue that needs to be resolved). So how would it work?

all examples given by you do not prove that india is not a secular country..it only proves that in india there are tensions between "some hindus and some muslims"..tensions like these will persist forever because it is human nature...do i need to mention how muslims kill muslims in islamic countries??

we are a secular country because our constitution gives equal rights to every Indian irrespective of religion....whether people use these rights or not is different issue.

 

[patna_ke_presley]

The point is, if you're not Hindu country then you're a secular one, then you should not want to merge with a religion oriented organization but you do, so that's suspect.

I mean we are just asking questions and you get uncomfortable with these questions and that's quite telling...

We haven't still started asking questions like about your track record on the treatment of Muslims - on Kashmir, the Gujarat genocide and so on.

Yes you have 150 million or so Muslims, but thats probably the reason why you shouldn't be given access since you've treated them poorly. What is there to project - you are not holding a plebiscite in Kashmir, Pakistan did not make up a story about you guys massacring 2000 Muslims in Gujarat in a week. Its all for real.

One thing you forget, in essence to be in OIC you have to be FOR the betterment of Islamic countries - India has positions against Pakistan, against Kashmir (which the OIC recognizes as a contentious issue that needs to be resolved). So how would it work?

That's the different case how we treated them. There is lot more examples of Brutal Muslims regimes from Morocco to Pakistan. People always blame others, Darfur genocide in Sudan, Shia massacre in Iraq , 1971 Bengali genocide and list goes on.

And also stop talking about Muslims of India, your relation is over with soon you chose for Pakistan and they stayed in India and other thing please don't care about them care about Biharis who's whole generation grown in cleaning gutters in Bangladesh and your minister Naseerullah Babur used to spread open hatred against them.

Also the number of people who died of communal riots in India in last 15 years, more people had died of target killing in Karachi in last two years.

 

[jayron]

The point is, if you're not Hindu country then you're a secular one, then you should not want to merge with a religion oriented organization but you do, so that's suspect.

I mean we are just asking questions and you get uncomfortable with these questions and that's quite telling...

We haven't still started asking questions like about your track record on the treatment of Muslims - on Kashmir, the Gujarat genocide and so on.

Yes you have 150 million or so Muslims, but thats probably the reason why you shouldn't be given access since you've treated them poorly. What is there to project - you are not holding a plebiscite in Kashmir, Pakistan did not make up a story about you guys massacring 2000 Muslims in Gujarat in a week. Its all for real.

One thing you forget, in essence to be in OIC you have to be FOR the betterment of Islamic countries - India has positions against Pakistan, against Kashmir (which the OIC recognizes as a contentious issue that needs to be resolved). So how would it work?

Really? There is no dearth of human rights abuse among muslim countries. to name a few

Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh. Even by the lowest count, that would probably be the largest killing of muslims. Pakistan's treatment of Shia Hazaras and bombing of shrines. Attack on Balochis.

Saddam Hussein's genocide of Kurds.

Turkey's treatment of Kurds

And I have not even started on the muslim dictatorships that abuse its citizens .

So stop giving lame reasons .

 

[Tihamah]

If there is co-operation between two Islamic countries, then by all means include Allah in it, but if one of the partners has a secular policy then do not bring Allah, Vishnu, Jesus, Moses, Xenu or the Flying Spaghetti Monster into it. Not everything requires the element of religion.

you are correct, it is just a business deal thats not harming any one.

 

[Awesome]

all examples given by you do not prove that india is not a secular country..it only proves that in india there are tensions between "some hindus and some muslims"..tensions like these will persist forever because it is human nature...do i need to mention how muslims kill muslims in islamic countries??

we are a secular country because our constitution gives equal rights to every Indian irrespective of religion....whether people use these rights or not is different issue.

Why the debate on secularism - Of course we can pull up things like how you have varying laws like Hindu Succession act, Parsi Succession act, Hindu Marriage act - there isn't really a secular outlook - moreover banning of Cow slaughter, jailing people for it, then there's discrimination that Muslims face - these are the things I would bring up in a secularism debate. But right now there's an issue of - whether or not despite whatever you claim your politico-religious leanings - you're an anti-Islam state.

You're forgetting that you're one of the best friends of Israel on the map, you've also become cozy with the US and we may see a shift from the Arab states under Abdullah in that regard. All in all, India, comes off as an enemy of the Muslims. Much of it is exhibited in your demeanor.

Arab states are looking for their own profit, India needs their oil they need to sell it.

 

[Bang Galore]

The point is, if you're not Hindu country then you're a secular one, then you should not want to merge with a religion oriented organization but you do, so that's suspect.

Very good point. I'm not sure that it is the present Indian position to join the OIC, in fact I'm reasonably sure that no government would even want to. Observer status may be a possibility but joining a religious association as a member should be regarded as contrary to our constitutional beliefs. Just don't see that flying , as you correctly pointed out, in secular India.