Enclosed weapons pod for the JF-17?

[syedali73]

The latter requires immense modification of the current airframe for external weapons pods to be a requirement, it makes no sense to put pods on an aircraft that will radiate and will show up on radar even in clean configuration. It may make sense for aircraft like the Eurofighter, Rafale and above, but not an any other aircraft.

So, we can't afford it, we don't need it, and it doesn't make practical sense.

F-18 super hornet, for which the enclosed weapon pod (EWP) was originally designed, does show up on the radar in clean configuration. The super Hornet has reported RCS (m2) of 1 same as Rafale and somewhat better than F-16C (1.2). MiG21 has a relative RCS (m2) of just 3, better than F-16A (5). The RCS of JF-17 is not available publicly but given its conventional shape, size, and metal use, most probably be between 3 and 5. So you may be right; going after EWP may not be feasible for this block.

 

[Donatello]

Hi,

The best thing for the JF 17 will be an aesa radar, off bore sight missiles, and a potent BVR for intercept role.

Potent BVR already there, so check,
off boresight, work going and will soon be available
AESA expected in BLK3.....
But above all, there must be IRST so JF-17 has passive tracking ability.

 

[Basel]

All guy forgot that Stealthy shape JF-17 is possible with extreme use of composite materials, EWP n other stuff it will become very potent n sanctions free front lint jet even with current engine but with LOAN nozzle optimized for stealth.

JF-17 was made cost effective aircraft like F-16 but threat has evolved rapidly n PAF' best option is to raise few squadrons of Stealthy JF-17s to bring some parity with our foe in terms of quality.

 

[syedali73]

All guy forgot that Stealthy shape JF-17 is possible with extreme use of composite materials, EWP n other stuff it will become very potent n sanctions free front lint jet even with current engine but with LOAN nozzle optimized for stealth.

JF-17 was made cost effective aircraft like F-16 but threat has evolved rapidly n PAF' best option is to raise few squadrons of Stealthy JF-17s to bring some parity with our foe in terms of quality.

Well stealthy shape is not possible unless the plane is redesigned. Yes, use of more composites will surely help with reducing the RCS as we have seen in the case of F-16A (5) and F-16C (1.2).

 

[Basel]

@syedali73 that is what is said by me that redesign which is possible without internal weapons bay, but with 3 weapons pods. Pakistan even had an MOU for it since 2009 with China n its needed now.

 

[Basel]

I even posted a pic which is rumoured to be stealthy JF-17 circulating on net. That pic certainly shows that redesign is possible.

 

[syedali73]

@syedali73 that is what is said by me that redesign which is possible without internal weapons bay, but with 3 weapons pods. Pakistan even had an MOU for it since 2009 with China n its needed now.

Pardon me, I did not read your post carefully. Thanks for clarification.

 

[Hyperion]

My friend, I'll try to put it very mildly........ JF17 can NOT be redesigned at this stage in it's development. Stealth aircraft are designed from grounds up. Every dynamic aspect of a stealth aircraft required a completely different set of engineering....... try to listen to @Horus, only enclosed external pods can 'marginally' decrease the RCS........ forget anything else you've read or lead to believe true. It's not happening, and can not happen. Wishes be damned!

Want a stealth aircraft? Send a request to PAF to acquire one for the fanboys!

I even posted a pic which is rumoured to be stealthy JF-17 circulating on net. That pic certainly shows that redesign is possible.

 

[Kompromat]

My friend, I'll try to put it very mildly........ JF17 can NOT be redesigned at this stage in it's development. Stealth aircraft are designed from grounds up. Every dynamic aspect of a stealth aircraft required a completely different set of engineering....... try to listen to @Horus, only enclosed external pods can 'marginally' decrease the RCS........ forget anything else you've read or lead to believe true. It's not happening, and can not happen. Wishes be damned!

Want a stealth aircraft? Send a request to PAF to acquire one for the fanboys!

Honest opinion?

 

[Hyperion]

Agreed. J31 with a mature AESA + future reliable engines with decent thrust capable of super cruise + 100% control over flight software + our own link +
our ECM package + hakivionic (West-Chinese hybrid) suite........... is the way to go!

Honest opinion?

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[Bilal.]

My friend, I'll try to put it very mildly........ JF17 can NOT be redesigned at this stage in it's development. Stealth aircraft are designed from grounds up. Every dynamic aspect of a stealth aircraft required a completely different set of engineering....... try to listen to @Horus, only enclosed external pods can 'marginally' decrease the RCS........ forget anything else you've read or lead to believe true. It's not happening, and can not happen. Wishes be damned!

Want a stealth aircraft? Send a request to PAF to acquire one for the fanboys!

Whether JFT reduced RCS version is developed or not. But what silent eagle and the F-18 development tells us is that it is possible. Of course it won't be a true VLO but reduced RCS (specially from frontal aspect) nonetheless...

 

[Hyperion]

Then look at what they did to F15 and F18! (hint: there was no redesign)

Whether JFT reduced RCS version is developed or not. But what silent eagle and the F-18 development tells us is that it is possible.

 

[Bilal.]

Then look at what they did to F15 and F18! (hint: there was no redesign)

Silent eagle was a redesign. So was SH with special measures taken to reduce RCS and weapons pod is an RCS reduction idea born out of SH developments.

 

[Hyperion]

SE had only canted tail redesign and internal bay was adjusted within the conformal fuel tanks. If this is the kind of improvements you are looking for a semi-stealth, then it's all about about cost-benefit.... don't you think, this can be achieved via other means, which have got nothing to do with redesign of the aircraft itself? Hint: Better BVR capabilities, networking and more powerful engines? These are the areas we need to focus our energies on, before our economy is healthy and we can go for something truly semi-stealth, such as J31?

Silent eagle was a redesign. So was SH with special measures taken to reduce RCS and weapons pod is an RCS reduction idea born out of SH developments.

 

[Bilal.]

I agree in terms of cost benefit aspect specially when they had F-22 and F-35 already developed. But from a proof of concept point of view it cannot be completely dismissed either.