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Eight Turkey troops killed in army operations against PKK

I don't know if strong or not, but LEGA NORD is a separatism right party organization. For the kurdish ground forces. Of course, you can't win only by air strikes, but also true is, without these air strikes, kurds could never win against ISIS. Don't overate ISIS! Russia has us shown in a very impressive way, how effective and easy you can beat ISIS. The blame us (western) all! The truth is, we don't want to destroy ISIS really. If we really want, we can solve this problem within weeks! That's for sure. Come on, what are we talking about? ~50.000 manpower (most are volunteers), equipped with AK-47, RPG, pick-ups, some Flaks and some stolen western vehicles.

That you dont want to see Turks as your ally is your personnel decision.



Sorry, that's bullshit propaganda to force a Kurdish autonomy. If they are really that brave you mentioned, they would defeat ISIS years ago. God damn, they have the hole world on in there back.

@cabatli_53

@MarcusS said, Italy support pkk. Not the he support pkk. So, I cant see the reason why you ban him.


YPG alone can not defeat ISIS it needs support from partners and cover of air fighters. You should watch the docu they showed on channel 4 in UK.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/frontline-fighting-the-brits-battling-isis
 
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I do not understand how hard is it take Mosul or Raqqa, can't troops surround it and slowly go in supported by attack helicopters?

Well, in the end any modern day conventional urban fight means troops go in slowly supported by air power. But there's more to it before they can launch such an operation.
 
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I do not understand how hard is it take Mosul or Raqqa, can't troops surround it and slowly go in supported by attack helicopters?

The only problem is the legitimation. Mosul or Raqqa can be conquered within a week.
 
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Well, ISIS conquered in 24 Hours....

Well, i'm sure you know that clearing a city is not the same as a takeover after collapse and betrayal of existing security forces.

Everything needs to be explained here, i'm sure you can do this thinking before you post a comment.
 
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Well, i'm sure you know that clearing a city is not the same as a takeover after collapse and betrayal of existing security forces.

Everything needs to be explained here, i'm sure you can do this thinking before you post a comment.
Yeah, yeah, i know, i was just joking.

Let's say, if those cities had not been populated with civilians, it would be possible to clean in a week but not in this case.
 
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Yeah, yeah, i know, i was just joking.

Let's say, if those cities had not been populated with civilians, it would be possible to clean in a week but not in this case.


No it wouldn't. It took more then 6 weeks for American, British and Iraqi forces to take Falluja.

Besides that a city can't just be taken without securing the surrounding areas. In other words armies need to control everything leading up to a city or they risk being attacked. Furthermore, the city needs to be at least partially encircled to prevent fighters from escaping and launching counter attacks, similarly encircling a city will prevent reinforcements.
 
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No it wouldn't. It took more then 6 weeks for American, British and Iraqi forces to take Falluja.

Besides that a city can't just be taken without securing the surrounding areas. In other words armies need to control everything leading up to a city or they risk being attacked. Furthermore, the city needs to be at least partially encircled to prevent fighters from escaping and launching counter attacks, similarly encircling a city will prevent reinforcements.
If we need to point out examples, you took Berlin from Nazis in 2 Weeks.
 
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