Eight Turkey troops killed in army operations against PKK

[Bismarck]

Lol, in a week.

What a retarded forum i'm leaving again.

We don't talk about a city which is defend by local people. ISIS are foreign conqueror who terrorize local people. They will not get any support by that people if some one or a coalition start to liberate that cities. It is not the same like in Afghanistan, where Taliban have a huge support by local people against foreign soldiers.

What do they have against a willing and modern army? Do they have professional soldiers? Modern equipments? Weapons? Well trained officers? What ISIS exactly has, that you thing, they can stand against a high equipped army, with professional soldiers?

By whom ?

Iraqis proved to be ineffective when it comes to combat.

Any modern and professional army. But my first thought was a coalition who fight against SISI currently.

 

[-SINAN-]

Any modern and professional army. But my first thought was a coalition who fight against SISI currently.

Mate, coalition is bombing from above....i don't think they will get their boots dirty.

We don't talk about a city which is defend by local people. ISIS are foreign conqueror who terrorize local people. They will not get any support by that people if some one or a coalition start to liberate that cities. It is not the same like in Afghanistan, where Taliban have a huge support by local people against foreign soldiers.

What do they have against a willing and modern army? Do they have professional soldiers? Modern equipments? Weapons? Well trained officers? What ISIS exactly has, that you thing, they can stand against a high equipped army, with professional soldiers?

You underestimate 2 years of brainwashing and indoctrination done by ISIS on locals.....don't forget that those locals welcomed ISIS with their opened arms when they first invaded Mousul....Those who were against ISIS already evacuated the city.....

 

[ptldM3]

If we need to point out examples, you took Berlin from Nazis in 2 Weeks.

Berlin only strengthens what I said earlier. The Red Army had to battle their way to Berlin. They didn't just drop paratroopers into Berlin, instead they fought their way to the city, cleared and secured the suburbs and encircled the city to prevent escape or potential reinforcements.

The Red army was also very skillful, experienced, well equipped and well led by the time they entered Berlin. Not to mention the shear numbers alone overwhelmed the Germans.

Clearing a city with substantial Isis presence in a week is not realistic. The only way it's possible is if there is just a few dozen fighters but that is not the case.

 

[-SINAN-]

Berlin only strengthens what I said earlier. The Red Army had to battle their way to Berlin. They didn't just drop paratroopers into Berlin, instead they fought their way to the city, cleared and secured the suburbs and encircled the city to prevent escape or potential reinforcements.

The Red army was also very skillful, experienced, well equipped and well led by the time they entered Berlin. Not to mention the shear numbers alone overwhelmed the Germans.

Clearing a city with substantial Isis presence in a week is not realistic. The only way it's possible is if there is just a few dozen fighters but that is not the case.

What you are saying basically saying is; Red Army prepared for cleaning the city, executed their plan and cleaned the city.
As far as i follow Iraqi army is preparing over a year.

Start with 1-2 days of intense bombardment, level down the city, then pour thousands of soldiers from every direction, and clean the city.

 

[f1000n]

Look at the battle of Ramadi (2 months duration), it will be similar just larger scale meaning more troops involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ramadi_(2015–16)

 

[Bismarck]

Mate, coalition is bombing from above....i don't think they will get their boots dirty.


You underestimate 2 years of brainwashing and indoctrination done by ISIS on locals.....don't forget that those locals welcomed ISIS with their opened arms when they first invaded Mousul....Those who were against ISIS already evacuated the city.....

As I said, if they are willing to fight ISIS. Of course, many people welcomed ISIS, but few years later, do you really think they are still welcomed? I have my doubts.

 

[f1000n]

Start with 1-2 days of intense bombardment, level down the city, then pour thousands of soldiers from every direction, and clean the city.

If it was this simple everyone here would be a general. And Mosul isn't the only city that had to be cleaned, all the other cities and towns south of it have to be to open up the highway for troop mobilization.

If IA managed to take Ramadi then let's leave it up to IA and the coalition, it will be cleared. In the meantime everyone can resume playing general.

 

[-SINAN-]

As I said, if they are willing to fight ISIS. Of course, many people welcomed ISIS, but few years later, do you really think they are still welcomed? I have my doubts.

Yeah, i think so....

 

[MarkusS]

1-) We, Turks don't care How your seperatism is. We just care about a fqcking blood thirsty militants exploding themselves in Turkey streets, killing civilians/soldiers. This organization is recognized as terrorist organization by World community.

2-) As for PKK, If Italy sends a terrorist organization training and weapons like you claim, It means We will kick your countrymen's butts. No problem Who you are !

3-) YPG may be your strongest tool. You may help them or not against any organization but In Turkey, YPG is known as separatist terrorist organization. You may also support any terrorist organization against Turkiye forces but Be sure that The payback will be bloody when the time came. There is one thing for sure that If you are inside of Turks war zone, You should bow your head to obey Turks rules. Otherwise, It will be a great plase to tell your place !

4-) YPG is nowhere to compare against Turkish Army. Comparing a terrorist organization against an army which is known as second largest army of NATO, clearly introduce your way of thinking.


5-) I don't care what you need against ISIS or How you look Turkey. Not Kurds but It is PKK we are talking here and This organization has been doing many things to my country since 32 years. It is the reason You are an open target of Turks cause of clearly supporting a bloody terrorist organization taking many innocent lives since years in Turkey.


6-) Fight against ISIS may be your priority but Kicking the arses of PKK terrorists and their supporters that you express an open support is our main priority.

You should shame on yourself !

my friend. Italy and EU as a whole does not support terrorists. We fight against ISIS which is our core enemy. I would be happy if turkey would join our fight against this evil and be our partner. Its your decission.

 

[Bismarck]

my friend. Italy and EU as a whole does not support terrorists. We fight against ISIS which is our core enemy. I would be happy if turkey would join our fight against this evil and be our partner. Its your decission.

As far as I know, Turkey is part of that coalition. More than this, I can imagine that Turkey do more than the most. Not because they are nice people. More that they are closer (geographical not ideological) to ISIS than most other countries.

 

[Some1LikeU]

@ Marcus
You said that italy supports pkk - ypg - sdf...etc for fighting against Isis,
For example, Italy has seperator terrorists inside and outside of your mainland. Killing civilians, bombing cities, kidnapping teachers doctors at urban, Burning hospitals schools churchs, trafficing drugs weapons...etc any many more..

And your ally Turkey would give them weapons, logistic support, tactics, manpower and the others..
WHAT WOULD U THİNK & ?DO?
Little emhpaty pls! If you can change your angleview you ll understand what i mean...

Cause of this lots of Turks think about EU USA untrusted, doubleface...

 

[MarkusS]

@ Marcus
You said that italy supports pkk - ypg - sdf...etc for fighting against Isis,
For example, Italy has seperator terrorists inside and outside of your mainland. Killing civilians, bombing cities, kidnapping teachers doctors at urban, Burning hospitals schools churchs, trafficing drugs weapons...etc any many more..

And your ally Turkey would give them weapons, logistic support, tactics, manpower and the others..
WHAT WOULD U THİNK & ?DO?
Little emhpaty pls! If you can change your angleview you ll understand what i mean...

Cause of this lots of Turks think about EU USA untrusted, doubleface...

Its a difficult topic.

As far as i know we openly support YPG and Peshmerga. Its hard for me to say whats the difference between the two because i´m no expert in this.

http://www.nrttv.com/EN/Details.aspx?Jimare=6719

Our defense minister even visisted them. We want fight ISIS and beat them and so far YPG does fight very good. Its not against turkey. As far as i know YPG is not identical with PKK.

Also italy condemned any terror attack in turkey.

 

[Bismarck]

Its a difficult topic.

As far as i know we openly support YPG and Peshmerga. Its hard for me to say whats the difference between the two because i´m no expert in this.

http://www.nrttv.com/EN/Details.aspx?Jimare=6719

Our defense minister even visisted them. We want fight ISIS and beat them and so far YPG does fight very good. Its not against turkey. As far as i know YPG is not identical with PKK.

Also italy condemned any terror attack in turkey.

Turkey say otherwise. Even an US senator said in an hearing, YPG is connected to PKK.

 

[A friend]

Its a difficult topic.

As far as i know we openly support YPG and Peshmerga. Its hard for me to say whats the difference between the two because i´m no expert in this.

http://www.nrttv.com/EN/Details.aspx?Jimare=6719

Our defense minister even visisted them. We want fight ISIS and beat them and so far YPG does fight very good. Its not against turkey. As far as i know YPG is not identical with PKK.

Also italy condemned any terror attack in turkey.

Markus Can you get out of the turkish section... Forever? Thanks!

 

[Some1LikeU]

Oh come on my friend it is also related to pkk. İn Turkey their name PKK, in İran PJAK, in Syria YPG-SDF. This is they are and confirmed by some Usa reports ( but their politicians say they are different, who can believe politicians.)nothing can change whatever you call them. EU USA dont want to make their hand dirty, Thats why supporting ypg.
Me and all Turks angry cause we are in fight with pkk in Eastern Turkey, hundreds of dead terrorist or others captured with UR WEAPONS. Turkey warned eu usa russia several times but ignored and blamed for helping Isis. İsis killed and bombed us too. The real protector of isis russia. How ?
As long as the war continue Russia will stay in Syria. Can deploy new air and Marine bases. They Can control or cancel the alternative Russian gas line ( if there would be a second gas line Russians would loose so much money and discount petrol prices and it would not inside of russia.)
Now if russia eu or usa are really serious about fighting isis why they dont bring their land forces? Or are they really want to finish the fight? Whats is the Big Mid-East plan? İf the isis really muslim or represents khalifa why they killing just Muslims and dont fight against israel? Who is the winner in the region? Think about this issue after come back to write something logical....