Egyptian Armed Forces

[Gomig-21]

Do we know if the Volcanoes are already in the Berghaminis or they're still on order? I haven't been following that very closely. Reason I ask is if they are, that could be a heck of an option from the Red Sea if the time comes.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Do we know if the Volcanoes are already in the Berghaminis or they're still on order? I haven't been following that very closely. Reason I ask is if they are, that could be a heck of an option from the Red Sea if the time comes.

Don't really know yet to be honest, but yes they would be a useful ground attack platform for sure.

 

[Gomig-21]

Don't really know yet to be honest, but yes they would be a useful ground attack platform for sure.

I probably doubt it and honestly I haven't read up on the complete article that @The SC posted about it and am a little behind on that particular item, but my guess is they just negotiated the deal and it will be added in the near future. But imagine the possibility of having that option. That Gerd will be obliterated and then we'll have to deal with whatever consequences come from that since the Ethiopian foreign minister said they're monitoring the Sudanese/Egyptian exercises and they don't have a problem with it as long as it's not directed at Ethiopia LOLOL and should there be war, Ethiopia has a very strong army and will retaliate in kind.

Stand-off munitions available to the EAF.
- KH-31 & KH-35 KH-29
- SCALPs
- AASM
Closer munitions
- GBU-12,15,16, 24, 27
- AGM 65 Maverick
- AGM-88 HARM if they can use them on targets other than radars
- JDAMs
- A LOT of general purpose bombs to even incendiary ones
Then a lot of the close ones like the Hellfires etc.

If the Su-35s were ready which I think is super unlikely and we know what munitions package came with them, wolly wolly! Wonder what role the Sudanese Nanchangs & MiG-29s & Su-24will be in?

I don't think Egypt was ever unreasonable with Ethiopia and 11 years trying to negotiate with them. How much more can be done?

Like SC was saying, this is no ordinary exercise. The Egyptian Army is bringing in a lot of stuff that is usually never bothers to. It's pretty obvious they're preparing for something big. 6500 tones Al Hurreya 2 cargo ship has carried a lot of shtuff to the area!

 

[Philip the Arab]

Stand-off munitions available to the EAF.
- KH-31 & KH-35 KH-29
- SCALPs
- AASM

Egypt needs more standoff munitions in my opinion.

 

[Gomig-21]

Egypt needs more standoff munitions in my opinion.

Agreed. But if you think about it, the KH series are 3 of them while the AASM's are 2 weight categories and we're thinking the Su-35 will be coming with some pretty good new stuff, and not just long range A2A. Also the SCALPs are only going to add up in numbers. So I guess when you put that together, the quantity is pretty good and doesn't necessarily have to be different types. Just more of the same.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Agreed. But if you think about it, the KH series are 3 of them while the AASM's are 2 weight categories and we're thinking the Su-35 will be coming with some pretty good new stuff, and not just long range A2A. Also the SCALPs are only going to add up in numbers. So I guess when you put that together, the quantity is pretty good and doesn't necessarily have to be different types. Just more of the same.

I think a JDAM type kit with a jet engine would be very effective, weird nobody explored the concept very far yet. Boeing looked at the concept, but nobody wanted it so it was not put into production. Only problem is, GPS/INS is not very good for a sophisticated opponent although, I don't think anybody will call Ethiopia sophisticated. You could augment the guidance with an RF link in theory like the Turkish Lacin kit which will allow IR/TV man in the loop.

I hope UAE approaches that, it will be a cheap SOW that can deliver a fairly large warhead to a few hundred km easily.

 

[The SC]

In the shadow of the following article:
Egypt’s transition away from American weapons is a national security issue

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion...merican-weapons-is-a-national-security-issue/


Rational Egyptian weapons demands from the US are as follows:

- Upgrade of 100 F-16 fighters to the Viper standard .. and the upgrade of the older blocks to a lesser standard suitable for advanced training and ground support missions..

- Upgrade the Abrams to the latest standard + developing the production line and increasing the percentage of the local component + raising the number to 1500 tanks + Upgrade the stock of M-60 to the Mini Abrams standard locally..

- Upgrade the Apache to Standard 6 with Longbow Radar .. at least 36 radars + increased number to 60 helicopters + 1000 Hellfire missiles of the latest version as an increase in inventory..

- Upgrade the E2-C Hawkeye early warning aircraft fleet to the E2-D standard and increasing the number to 12 units..

- Acquiring 6 ISR G550 aircraft equipped by Raytheon

- Upgrade the C-130 Hercules fleet to standard "J" super Hercules locally and contracting 6 new aircrafts of the same type other than the previous two, including one for reconnaissance and electronic warfare and two for air refueling..

- Upgrade the Chinook fleet to the (F) standard, and the number to be increased to 30 helicopters of the same model

- Upgrade the 400 M109 155mm cannon to the A6 standard And contracting for 50 more of the A7 standard..

So all that Egypt needs from the US is the Upgrading of the aforementioned ... and other things, such as ammunition, radars, and a few other old systems that come as second priority..


And before these upgrades..Egypt should receive what it had already contracted for:

- 2 C-130J military transport aircraft, supposed to be delivered in 2019 and two years later, they are not delivered yet..
- 2 E2-C from the US surplus have not been delivered yet..
- 38 MLRS launcher platforms have not been delivered yet..
- Approximately 1,000 MRAP (second batch) armored vehicles have not been delivered yet..
- 8 Super Sea Spirit anti-submarine helicopters have not been delivered yet..
- A number of Airtractor anti-terror attack aircraft have not been delivered yet..
- 400 Hellfire missiles to compensate for the loss of the Egyptian stockpile .. not delivered yet..
- 10 new Apache helicopters not delivered yet..
- Large quantities of ammunition and weapons have not been delivered, although they were supposed to be delivered before 2020 ....

If Egypt had relied on the US for its national security, it would have lost it, Just as Mubarak said, : "whom ever is counting on the US cover .. is naked"

 

[Wilhelm II]

Joe Biden is a puppet for Kamala and Democrats in Congress, he barely knows his name on a good day.

This man or this party will lose ground to China and Russia

 

[Wilhelm II]

In the shadow of the following article:
Egypt’s transition away from American weapons is a national security issue

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion...merican-weapons-is-a-national-security-issue/


Rational Egyptian weapons demands from the US are as follows:

- Upgrade of 100 F-16 fighters to the Viper standard .. and the upgrade of the older blocks to a lesser standard suitable for advanced training and ground support missions..

- Upgrade the Abrams to the latest standard + developing the production line and increasing the percentage of the local component + raising the number to 1500 tanks + Upgrade the stock of M-60 to the Mini Abrams standard locally..

- Upgrade the Apache to Standard 6 with Longbow Radar .. at least 36 radars + increased number to 60 helicopters + 1000 Hellfire missiles of the latest version as an increase in inventory..

- Upgrade the E2-C E-2C Hawkeye early warning aircraft fleet to the E2-D standard and increasing the number to 12 units..

- Acquiring 6 ISR G550 aircraft equipped by Raytheon

- Upgrade the C-130 Hercules fleet to standard "J" super Hercules locally and contracting 6 new aircrafts of the same type other than the previous two, including one for reconnaissance and electronic warfare and two for air refueling..

- Upgrade the Chinook fleet to the (F) standard, and the number to be increased to 30 helicopters of the same model

- Upgrading the 400 M109 155mm cannon to the A6 standard And contracting for 50 more of the A7 standard..

So all that Egypt needs from the US is the Upgrading of the aforementioned ... and other things, such as ammunition, radars, and a few other old systems come as second priority..


And before these upgrades..Egypt should receive what it had already contracted for:

- 2 C-130J military transport aircraft, supposed to be delivered in 2019 and two years later, they are not delivered yet..
- 2 E2-C from the US surplus have not been delivered yet..
- 38 MLRS launcher platforms have not been delivered yet..
- Approximately 1,000 MRAP (second batch) armored vehicles have not been delivered yet..
- 8 Super Sea Spirit anti-submarine helicopters have not been delivered yet..
- A number of Airtractor anti-terror attack aircraft have not been delivered yet..
- 400 Hellfire missiles to compensate for the loss of the Egyptian stockpile .. not delivered yet..
- 10 new Apache helicopters not delivered yet..
- Large quantities of ammunition and weapons have not been delivered, although they were supposed to be delivered before 2020 ....

If Egypt had relied on the US for its national security, it would have lost it, Just as Mubarak said, : "whom ever is counting on the US cover .. is naked"

Hope to see that sleepy Joe understand the reality

 

[The SC]

Hope to see that sleepy Joe understand the reality

The thing is..even if he understands..he can't go against the US legislature that has a law to keep Usrael ahead of Arabs in all matters of technologies..especially in the military field.. thus insuring it has some edge over its neighbors..
The Arabs on their parts are working hard to minimize that technological gap.. it seems like a technological race against the US itself..So, one can just imagine how hard it is..But it is still good to compete against the best..It at least pushes you to do your best..and advance forward .. even slowly is better than not making a move..

 

[Wilhelm II]

The thing is..even if he understands..he can't go against the US legislature that has a law to keep Usrael ahead of Arabs in all matters of technologies..especially in the military field.. thus insuring it has some edge over its neighbors..
The Arabs on their parts are working hard to minimize that technological gap.. it seems like a technological race against the US itself..So, one can just imagine how hard it is..But it is still good to compete against the best..It at least pushes you to do your best..and advance forward .. even slowly is better than not making a move..

So we must say bye bye to Americans and let them losing influence in Egypt by their weapons
That's not bad we lost many years to waiting for those American weapons
Do you think USA will allow European or South Africa or Koreans to upgrade our American weapons?

 

[The SC]

So we must say bye bye to Americans and let them losing influence in Egypt by their weapons
That's not bad we lost many years to waiting for those American weapons
Do you think USA will allow European or South Africa or Koreans to upgrade our American weapons?

Read post #7357..lol

There is stil their obliged aid to upgrade with or get new US "allowed" weapons..But not to count on the US.. maybe 10% is fair in this case..

 

[Gomig-21]

Anyone know what that mobile module is for? I would give a hint but it would make it too easy!

Rational Egyptian weapons demands from the US are as follows:

- Upgrade of 100 F-16 fighters to the Viper standard .. and the upgrade of the older blocks to a lesser standard suitable for advanced training and ground support missions..

Yes, the full blown Viper upgrade including the AIM-120C7 and 9X since CiSMOA is signed and upgrade the radars to the AESA radar and the new Link-16 Theater data link and the offered upgrade munitions packages LOLOL! It cost around $1.8B for about 8 aircraft to be upgraded heck why not incentivize the US to pay a portion or the full amount for the upgrade and bypass the aid for many of the other items you listed? It would be a miracle if it ever happened.

- Upgrade the Apache to Standard 6 with Longbow Radar .. at least 36 radars + increased number to 60 helicopters + 1000 Hellfire missiles of the latest version as an increase in inventory..

LONG OVERDUE we've been talking about these for 10 damn years!!! Long Bow is hardly a revolutionary feature anymore and the Ka-52's have their own combined towering radars that can be bought if they wanted to. Just stupid on the Americans' part but they're seen no we're going other places.

- Upgrade the E2-C Hawkeye early warning aircraft fleet to the E2-D standard and increasing the number to 12 units..

That's a good one considering the new contract with NATO and also additional operational duties with the USAF and USN.

- Acquiring 6 ISR G550 aircraft equipped by Raytheon

Now this is an interesting one. This is a bit strange considering the recent upgrade, very recent upgrade of the Beechcract 1900Cs. This is just a better and much more modern variant so why have the two kinds? I'm a bit perplexed about that.

- Upgrade the 400 M109 155mm cannon to the A6 standard And contracting for 50 more of the A7 standard..

Sounds like they didn't like the South Korean one they tested a few years ago, remember that?

And before these upgrades..Egypt should receive what it had already contracted for:

- 2 C-130J military transport aircraft, supposed to be delivered in 2019 and two years later, they are not delivered yet..
- 2 E2-C from the US surplus have not been delivered yet..
- 38 MLRS launcher platforms have not been delivered yet..
- Approximately 1,000 MRAP (second batch) armored vehicles have not been delivered yet..
- 8 Super Sea Spirit anti-submarine helicopters have not been delivered yet..
- A number of Airtractor anti-terror attack aircraft have not been delivered yet..
- 400 Hellfire missiles to compensate for the loss of the Egyptian stockpile .. not delivered yet..
- 10 new Apache helicopters not delivered yet..
- Large quantities of ammunition and weapons have not been delivered, although they were supposed to be delivered before 2020 ....

If Egypt had relied on the US for its national security, it would have lost it, Just as Mubarak said, : "whom ever is counting on the US cover .. is naked"

He was so right about so many things, he just sat on his *** too much unlike Sisi who has just become one of the greatest leaders in the Arab & Muslim world.

BTW, Pakistani & Egyptian military drills undergoing as we speak. Will update soon.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Anyone know what that mobile module is for? I would give a hint but it would make it too easy!

Generator for radar?

 

[Philip the Arab]