They simply can’t give you AMRAAMs without a realistic CISMOA,
Why do we keep coming back to this thing? That piece of paper has been signed. I don't know of any "portion" that was left out or that wasn't signed that reflects the US' ability to say yes or no as to the capacity of the treaty. To me, once the US embassy in Cairo tweets out a congratulatory expression that they're very happy of this milestone which is the signing of the CISMOA treaty between Egypt and the US means its signed. Not partially signed or just initialed or singed on one page but not the other or a limited signatory. It means it's fully signed. Done deal.
And here's the other thing which has been repeated in several defense publications regarding this particular matter in that this treaty is only part of a series of "deniability steps" for the US to use against giving Egypt the OK for certain weapons that are part of the QME of Israel of which the AIM-120 is part of that. What does that mean? It means that this is only part of a list of usable excuses to deny Egypt and if it's taken care of, i.e. signed, the US can simply move on to the next step and use that as a denial mode which would be Israel's QME would be impacted by Egypt having the AIM-120.
So the whole importance "factor" of the CISMOA is way overrated because of that underlying factor in that it's only part of the list of excuses and even if it's taken care of, the US will move on to another excuse. So let's not put too much importance into it, even if it has in fact already been signed anyway.
no US personnel are bonded to the EAF and I don’t even think that’s a good idea.
"Bonded" to the EAF? What does that mean?
After all you support Assad w/ weapons and carry out many operations in Libya which can be opposed.
Can the real ARCH٤R please stand up? Who's this new guy impersonating him? lol
Either way, you basically made my point that there's another "step" in the deniability process and my point is that someone in the EAF or within the political spectrum needs to be able to put all these things aside and find a way to convince the US to abandon that line of thinking and create some sort of agreement that the US would be happy to agree to in exchange for a bit on leniency on some of those weapon's restrictions. Not only on BVRAMRAAMs, but on short range munitions as well such as the AIM-9X as well as JDAM kits. I see Wikipedia shows Egypt as an operator of JDAM kits but I don't think that's correct. The EAF uses several of the GBU Paveway series laser-guided smart bombs, but I don't believe they have been able to acquire the JDAM kit as I've never seen in or heard of it being part of the EAF arsenal. So that would certainly be another item to add to the weapon's relief request.
Like I said earlier: If we had worked on influence after Camp David we wouldn’t have had this conversation in the first place.
No use in crying over spilled milk, right? We're dealing with the situation as it presents itself today and so they need to make it happen, or at least find out what it will take to get a major upgrade on all the F-16s and include this weapon's package request be offered. Get it done!
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The US ambassador in Egypt said that they want Egypt to have the best the US could give - they also said that American Fighters are the best. Sounds to me like they offered Egypt F-15s but Egypt refused - this was said in an Russian article but despite the Russian bias and benefit from it I must say that the Russians are probably not lying since:
1-Egypt would use this to negotiate for the deal they could get.
2-The Russians are close to the Egyptian military so its likely that they were told by an Egyptian official about it.
Totally agree. I think they can step up the pressure a little bit on the Americans before this administration walks out the door (there's a strong possibility of that happening as I'm sure you know based on your flags
) and so at least get the ball rolling so that if there is a change, it'll make the transition that much easier and if there isn't and the baboon gets reelected, then there's a head start and a good 4 more years to really put the pressure on to find out if we need to go full on Russian and Euro now, or if there is at least a chance to empower up the F-16 fleet for the next decade or more and keep the US as an essential partner.
