Egyptian Armed Forces

[Philip the Arab]

What is the opinion of the Egpytian and Arab members on the K-FX for the Egyptian air force?

 

[ARCH٤R]

What is the opinion of the Egpytian and Arab members on the K-FX for the Egyptian air force?

I’m not a supporter of any stealth fighter procure. I’m sure they’ll be as detectable as 4th gen if powerful AESA radars are provided.
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Edit: the only way to truly beat a radar is though active cancelling which would pretty much absorb the radar waves instead of reflecting it.

 

[Philip the Arab]

I’m not a supporter of any stealth fighter procure. I’m sure they’ll be as detectable as 4th gen if powerful AESA radars are provided.

Depends on bands of radars, detecting a fighter means nothing without the ability to engage it whereas stealth is optimised for Fighter and tracking radars. Even than generally standoff weapons will be used outside missile range against ground targets.

UHF and VHF cannot provide firing solution because they are too inaccurate.

 

[ARCH٤R]

Depends on bands of radars, detecting a fighter means nothing without the ability to engage it whereas stealth is optimised for Fighter and tracking radars. Even than generally standoff weapons will be used outside missile range against ground targets.

UHF and VHF cannot provide firing solution because they are too inaccurate.

But IMO developing a good network where ground based AESA radars and IR sensors could guide the missiles to Stealth fighters would be cheaper - and would leave stealth partially useless.
I heard we’ll come across a new IMUT vehicle in EDEX 2020. Let’s hope we also see drones and an Egyptian F-35 model haha.

 

[Gomig-21]

It is an error in the news to say F3R sees the arrival of AESA. AESA came before (first plane delivered with AESA in 2012 or 2013). F3R maily bring the Meteor and Talios Recce pod plus some improvements to the radar and Spectra.
F4 is focused on communication, so as to be as the F35 a communication nod, The new 1000kg AASM, the new MICA NG. Plus as every standard, some improvments on the radar and Spectra (GaN on Spectra emitters).
It was rumored that F4 will bring the multistatic technology. Officially it is not the case. But unofficially....

Totally agree. BTW, have you found out anything from the Rafale forumers or anyone close to the brass about the EAF's jets and if in fact they are F3R? Just a reminder, that was what the literature had said at the time that they were brought up to the standard during final assembly and prior to delivery.

Interesting how they've made several trips up to Toulon for specialized training. I remember one of them was the Buddy-buddy refueling training and the other time they escorted president Sisi's aircraft into France and then they were in turn escorted by French Rafales to Toulon.

Nighttime training missions in Toulon.

 

[The SC]

Depends on bands of radars, detecting a fighter means nothing without the ability to engage it whereas stealth is optimised for Fighter and tracking radars. Even than generally standoff weapons will be used outside missile range against ground targets.

UHF and VHF cannot provide firing solution because they are too inaccurate.

Avia.Pro Russian website # Egypt will be able to detect Israeli F-35 infiltration fighters from a large range thanks to the long-range Rezonans-NE radar that Egypt acquired from Russia with 2 stations
The site says that the radar will be able to see the Israeli fighters hiding among the Syrian-Lebanese mountains and hills.

Given the IDF's concern, he adds, the situation may not actually evolve in Tel Aviv's favor, because in reality, even the F-35 stealth fighters will be detected hundreds of kilometers before their targets.
The Russian radar is of the PESA radar class and it works in the VHF mode with wavelengths capable of detecting stealth targets.

The detection range varies according to the flight altitude of the aircraft and the actions taken by it from acts of interference and deception.

Radar increases the Egyptian air defense capacity, of course, but monitoring stealth fighters is not an easy matter.


https://avia-pro.fr/news/rossiyskay...En-5NleCeiqYnucaF3X9bmyKkfMkadLNCa9_nv0XDM93g




This takes the Egyptian Air defense to a new unprecedented level..


https://topwar.ru/163225-rossijskij...kO9Oj5mFS3UkYScWxAwH1c16D8nqD1vhJr7Z7nuDMXikQ


Early warning radar and long-range Russian aerial survey, Rezonans-NE, works for the Egyptian Air Defense Forces with two regiments: the first regiment in the city of Ras Ghareb, the Red Sea Governorate, opposite Beni Suef Governorate, and the second regiment on the Cairo-Suez Road, and both radars are placed in a high place and there is talk about a Third regiment in southern Egypt

Rezonans-NE is a radar designed for long-range early warning and aerial survey work. It operates in the Very High Frequency VHF of metric wavelengths, which allows detection of stealth targets, including cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and air targets with hypersonic velocities (exceeding Its speeds are Mach 5 and up to Mach 20), and in various weather conditions, with enormous immunity against various obstructions and dense electronic noise. The radar has a range of 1100 km, and the maximum altitude for monitoring air targets is 100 km, and it can detect targets with hypersonic speeds of up to 7 km / s (25,000 km / h), as well as targets with very low velocities up to 0.1 m / s as helicopters in Stability in the air, and it can track 500 air targets at one time, with the ability to predict the locations of falling ballistic missiles by calculating the range, direction and speed.

Due to super-resolution by an additional coordinate (radial velocity), the system has high capabilities for recognizing target classes. The Resonans-NE radar station is a solid-state coherent radar with a circular view of the meter-long range of radio waves with a non-rotating phased array antenna. The radar has a high degree of automation and adaptation to external interference.

The radar operation modes are set automatically or by the operator based on the results of the target and interference situation analysis.

It can be used in automated and non-automated control systems for military and civil purposes. To solve the problems of identification, the radar is equipped with a ground-based radio interrogator.

Two radars can detect aircraft and missiles at a distance of up to 1,100 km, blocking all strategic directions.

The location of these radars was not chosen by chance. It allows you to detect various types of aircraft and missiles at long distances in advance, thereby alerting the Egyptian Air Force and defense forces of any air threat.

“The very high frequency counter-stealth early warning radar [VHF] Rezonans-NE is designed to effectively detect a wide range of current and future aerial targets, including low-visibility cruise and ballistic missiles, hypersonic aircraft, and targets masked by hard electronic countermeasures (ECM), including in a chaotic environment.”

The radar can operate in circular scanning mode or within a certain sector. In addition to peacetime tasks, it can provide early warning of an air attack and information support for air defense and air defense operations. Rezonans-NE includes up to four radar modules, each of which provides 90-degree azimuth control and can operate independently.


https://communalnews.com/russia-deployed-rezonans-ne-radar-systems-near-israeli-border/


There is also the Protivnik-GE 3D (59N6-ТE) radar in Egypt:

The 59N6-ТЕ is a radar of medium and high altitude, having a decimeter wavelength range. Apart from hypersonic targets, it also effectively detects aerodynamic and ballistic objects.

The 59N6-ТЕ radar provides for the measurement of the range, azimuth and altitude of aerial targets. It is capable of detecting objects, flying at a speed of up to 8 000 km/h at a range of up to 450 kilometers and at an altitude of up to 200 kilometers. After detection, it exchanges radar information with C4I complexes. It operates in conditions of jamming and carries out direction finding of active noise jammers.

The station has an automatic and a semi-automatic mode of aerial targets’ acquisition and tracking. In a real time mode it may simultaneously track no less than 1 000 objects and recognize 8 classes of targets, which includes selection of anti-radar missiles and warning its own combat crew of the danger of elimination, inter alia, by high precision munitions and homing missiles. The 59N6-ТЕ radar also includes equipment for the recognition of detected aerial targets in international radar recognition systems Mk-XA and ATC RBS.

 

[The SC]

 

[HD Seeker-5000]

What is the opinion of the Egpytian and Arab members on the K-FX for the Egyptian air force?

Yaa i dont there is any chance Egypt could be a member, the fighter itself integrates so much American and Israeli avionics, so i would rule out Egypt even being interested in that program.

I do apologize too for my for my prolonged absence on the forum the past couple of weeks due to so unforeseen personal circumstances.I will hopefully be more active over the coming weeks.

 

[The SC]

 

[BON PLAN]

Totally agree. BTW, have you found out anything from the Rafale forumers or anyone close to the brass about the EAF's jets and if in fact they are F3R? Just a reminder, that was what the literature had said at the time that they were brought up to the standard during final assembly and prior to delivery.

Interesting how they've made several trips up to Toulon for specialized training. I remember one of them was the Buddy-buddy refueling training and the other time they escorted president Sisi's aircraft into France and then they were in turn escorted by French Rafales to Toulon.

Nighttime training missions in Toulon.

No decisiv news.
Some say they are F3R except the goodies for deterrence, and some say they are not.
But what is sure is that SCALP and METEOR were not ordered so not delivered.

 

[ARCH٤R]

Some might disagree but I think Egypt should buy or locally manufacture Leopard 2A7 or Revolution (in the near future) rather than T-90s. Local production could be (rather is) hard to negotiate for but I believe KSA is looking into the same topic which could pressure Germany to permit local production or at least partial production of the tank and production of spares in both countries. Also I believe bullpups should be considered, is it so hard to work with Caracal for example? Given if the sick beliefs that other western arm manufacturers would reject such offer turns out to be real.

 

[Gomig-21]

After detection, it exchanges radar information with C4I complexes. It operates in conditions of jamming and carries out direction finding of active noise jammers.

C4I, ey? That is quite something if that is in fact what they are doing, not that I doubt you, sir. I think that whatever the entire system is hooked up to in order to function on a collective basis and to its maximum potential, it's a feat of engineering design that borders on the ultra genius! The way the Armed Forces have taken surveillance with radars and satellites and integrated this entire series of systems into a collective one that functions for the EAF, the EN, EAD and others within the Egyptian military is nothing short of genius. Add to that the fact that they can track any F-35 taking off from anywhere in northern to southern Israel and monitor its flight path is truly amazing. And while stealth creates much more problematic issues than simply tracking it, still, it's pretty amazing that even that has been solved to such a degree of efficiency thanks to our Russian friends.

Then you look at how they've selected and arranged the missile types themselves and at first, I think we were all thinking that these two massive radars with their monstrous ranges and detection precision being Russian of origin would automatically be linked to the S-300VM and then stepped down to smaller-ranged missiles (also Russian) like the TOR and BUK etc. But that isn't the case as we have found out just from talking about the different radar bands with @Mamajama in that the German IRIST-T-SL was specifically bought and plugged into this network to be the first or 2nd in line to strictly be dedicated to stealth aircraft. Realizing all this stuff has made us also realize how well planned this entire air defense umbrella has been designed and implemented.

You look at the shape of this thing from the front and if the F-15 is the eagle, then this thing is the flying bear? A very menacing raptor in titanium and aluminum alloys & composites and like the Rafales and even the MiG-35s, I hope they increase their numbers even though 30 for a start is excellent considering the size and cost of this aircraft. You really gotta hand it to the EAF and the brass making all these purchase decisions.

Yaa i dont there is any chance Egypt could be a member, the fighter itself integrates so much American and Israeli avionics, so i would rule out Egypt even being interested in that program.

Yep, I agree as well. I think we're looking at the EAF to possibly be the first in line to be the export buyer of the Su-57 after the VVS itself. Either the first or close 2nd along with many other countries that seem to be ready to line up to purchase that aircraft including Algeria and a few others. I think the Russians will be surprised at how desirable that aircraft will be by many countries, to the point where they're going to have a back order on it and a difficult time keeping up with orders and satisfying their own needs. I really believe Egypt is on the top of the list from way back when they approached the Russians about the MiG-35.

BTW, anyone who is interested in the Mistral and how magnifcent of a ship it is, take the 50 minutes or however long this video is and watch it because it shows how state of the art this thing is and how incredibly versatile it also is. The propulsion system is a pair of pods that rotate 360 degrees and with the help of a pair of bow thrusters (2 of them not just one like almost every other ship) it can spin 360 degrees on its main axis and dock in tight qarters without the assistance of tugboats. It also shows the ballast system and how it drops the stern into the water to allow the EDA-R catamaran to enter and exit the back of the ship is really incredible technology. It shows a lot of the bridge command and the hospital and the helicopters and the way they're elevated from the deck below to the top deck and how some don't need to fold their rotors etc. A lot of excellent stuff and a really enjoyable video.

 

[Gomig-21]

What is the opinion of the Egpytian and Arab members on the K-FX for the Egyptian air force?

With the purchases of the MiG & Su-35s, I think it's only logical that they pursue the Su-57 to be the EAF's eventual 5th generation aircraft, regardless of whomever thinks of it as a 5th or not a 5th. It only makes sense that they go that route unless there is a major fallout with Russia, which I doubt.

BTW, question for you being of Jordanian decent - why did the RJAF sell these two fabulous IL-76s to the EAF? Are they planning on getting something different (I thought I heard a rumor about a possible C-17 Globemaster acquisition through US military aid but not sure how true it is) or are they just down-sizing?

 

[Philip the Arab]

Jordan is selling a lot of aircraft recently to downsize the budget I think brother. They obviously didn't have a need for these aircraft and current aircraft work. I have heard rumors of fighter jet to replace F-16, and American UCAV acquisition as well.

 

[Philip the Arab]

the purchases of the MiG & Su-35s, I think it's only logical that they pursue the Su-57 to be the EAF's eventual 5th generation aircraft, regardless of whomever thinks of it as a 5th or not a 5th. It only makes sense that they go that route unless there is a major fallout with Russia, which I doubt.

Either Su-57 I guess or J-31 if it reaches production. Maybe even both for Hi-Low stealth combination.