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Brother, the ones who shoot or kill army officers are killed.. the suspected ones are arrested and show too.. it is just fair..

I guess wilfully violating the Geneva Convention and Law of Armed Conflict can be described as fair or excused. Not like there's anything wrong with ignoring a treaty you've ratified or behaving like a militia rather than a professional force.
 
I guess wilfully violating the Geneva Convention and Law of Armed Conflict can be described as fair or excused. Not like there's anything wrong with ignoring a treaty you've ratified or behaving like a militia rather than a professional force.
Who talked about that?
The guys are shooting at you and killing officers and you don't have the right to shoot back? obviously some will be killed.. So what you are talking about just for the sake of argumentation.. at least try to make sense of what you bring on..
 
Who talked about that?
The guys are shooting at you and killing officers and you don't have the right to shoot back? obviously some will be killed.. So what you are talking about just for the sake of argumentation.. at least try to make sense of what you bring on..

Literally in the post you quoted.

There have been some reports of extrajudicial killings last year and soldiers putting guns next to the bodies of the victims, and some have been taken on video, so I suspect that it is more of a political matter than a security one.

I probably misunderstood your reply.
 
I don't want to speak for Frogz, but I think he (and so was I TBH SC) were confused about the underlined part of your quote below.

Brother, the ones who shoot or kill army officers are killed.. the suspected ones are arrested and shown too.. it is just fair..

What did you mean by arrested and "shown too?"
 
I don't want to speak for Frogz, but I think he (and so was I TBH SC) were confused about the underlined part of your quote below.



What did you mean by arrested and "shown too?"
We see images of the dead ones..and images of suspects arrested.. it is clear..

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And how many like this young man have been killed by the terrorists: How many pictures these guys want to see.. and bringing up UN war conventions!? Sorry I think you friend just wants to show some displaced knowledge.. irrelevant in the case of what is going on in Sinai..

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We see images of the dead ones..and images of suspects arrested.. it is clear..

Ok I understand that part now. But the problem was with a specific incident where it didn't look like they were fighting and ended up getting killed by a couple fellas. That was the specific incident that @Mhmoud was referring to.

And how many like this young man have been killed by the terrorists: How many pictures these guys want to see.. and bringing up UN war conventions!? Sorry I think you friend just wants to show some displaced knowledge.. irrelevant in the case of what is going on in Sinai..

Nobody is questioning any of these terrible and heroic sacrifices my bro, the reference was to a group of soldiers (about a year ago and not during this operation) who seemed to have taken justice into their own hands instead of following proper procedures. I'm sure you remember the incident. All we're saying is that we hope they follow those ROEs like proper soldiers even if they're dealing with cretins. If a cretin is unarmed and surrenders, he gets cuffed and the authorities deal with him and not shot on the spot and an AK put next to him before photographed. Unfortunately there are some who have done this. So far in this operation they seem to be following proper procedures to a T.
 
Ok I understand that part now. But the problem was with a specific incident where it didn't look like they were fighting and ended up getting killed by a couple fellas. That was the specific incident that @Mhmoud was referring to.



Nobody is questioning any of these terrible and heroic sacrifices my bro, the reference was to a group of soldiers (about a year ago and not during this operation) who seemed to have taken justice into their own hands instead of following proper procedures. I'm sure you remember the incident. All we're saying is that we hope they follow those ROEs like proper soldiers even if they're dealing with cretins. If a cretin is unarmed and surrenders, he gets cuffed and the authorities deal with him and not shot on the spot and an AK put next to him before photographed. Unfortunately there are some who have done this. So far in this operation they seem to be following proper procedures to a T.
Yes I understand this.. but generalizing it is not called for or true in any way..
Then there must be proof.. like the US abuse in Afghanistan or elsewhere.. with videos.. because one can interpret images anyway he chose..
 
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I guess wilfully violating the Geneva Convention and Law of Armed Conflict can be described as fair or excused. Not like there's anything wrong with ignoring a treaty you've ratified or behaving like a militia rather than a professional force.

:omghaha::omghaha:

The Russian Army, PLA, IDF, and countless other armed forces -many of them professional- beg to differ.

The problem with those who demand human rights for terrorists is that they assume that they actually count as humans.
 
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Then there must be proof.. like the US abuse in Afghanistan or elsewhere. with videos.. because one can interpret images anyway he chose..

There have been two video leaks from the Sinai showcasing the abuses.

On the 28th of October 2014 a video of Egyptian troops was released that pictured the torture of two Captured Personnel.

They were then later identified in pictures released by the Spokesman for the Egyptian Armed Forces. In which they lay dead with rifles positioned at their side. The Spokesman claimed they were killed during a firefight.

On April 20th 2017 the Muslim Brotherhood aligned Mekameleen TV channel leaked footage of extra judicial killings by a civilian guide embedded with a military unit.

Like the previous video, the men were later identified in Egyptian PR material. They lay dead with rifles at their side.

So at least two confirmed (on video) instances of extra judicial killings involving Egyptians.

These men should have been afforded protection under the Geneva Convention and LOAC. As Captured Personnel they were fully in the care of the Security Forces and posed them no threat.

No action was taken against any of the troops involved by way of Court Martial as far as anyone knows.

Lets cut the crap. The Egyptian Security Forces act with impunity across the country. Since 2011 they have been involved in some of the most gruesome examples of violence in Egypt's contemporary history.

The Emergency Laws have allowed them to forcefully detain and jail thousands without warrant. Many have been in custody for years without facing trial.

Scores disappear only to magically resurface in front of National Security prosecutions and courts. Plus we have the unenviable position of civilians being Court Martialled.

The Sinai is a case in which there is a long history of detention without cause. In the wake of the 2005 bombing over 3000 were arrested.

With all the torture, murder, and unwarranted jailing across Egypt for the past half century you would think people would stop burrying their head in the sand.


:omghaha::omghaha:

The Russian Army, PLA, IDF, and countless other armed forces -many of them professional- beg to differ.

The problem with those who demand human rights for terrorists is that they assume that they actually count as humans.

Not interested in whataboutery.

Funny how everyone in Egypt seems to be a terrorist these days. But I'm sure having a more effective counter insurgency campaign and actual procedural justice is too good for Egyptians. Why do any of that when you can just kill or imprison anyone you come across.
 
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Funny how everyone in Egypt seems to be a terrorist these days. But I'm sure having a more effective counter insurgency campaign and actual procedural justice is too good for Egyptians. Why do any of that when you can just kill or imprison anyone you come across.

Speaking of effective counterinsurgency, I'm sure you'd like to hear about the one devised by St. Zaki Badr, God bless his soul.

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Or if you don't like that, we can always resort to this strategy by Tsar Vladimir V. Putin, First of His name, Protector of the realm.

 
There have been two video leaks from the Sinai showcasing the abuses.

On the 28th of October 2014 a video of Egyptian troops was released that pictured the torture of two Captured Personnel.

They were then later identified in pictures released by the Spokesman for the Egyptian Armed Forces. In which they lay dead with rifles positioned at their side. The Spokesman claimed they were killed during a firefight.

On April 20th 2017 the Muslim Brotherhood aligned Mekameleen TV channel leaked footage of extra judicial killings by a civilian guide embedded with a military unit.

Like the previous video, the men were later identified in Egyptian PR material. They lay dead with rifles at their side.

So at least two confirmed (on video) instances of extra judicial killings involving Egyptians.

These men should have been afforded protection under the Geneva Convention and LOAC. As Captured Personnel they were fully in the care of the Security Forces and posed them no threat.

No action was taken against any of the troops involved by way of Court Martial as far as anyone knows.

Lets cut the crap. The Egyptian Security Forces act with impunity across the country. Since 2011 they have been involved in some of the most gruesome examples of violence in Egypt's contemporary history.

The Emergency Laws have allowed them to forcefully detain and jail thousands without warrant. Many have been in custody for years without facing trial.

Scores disappear only to magically resurface in front of National Security prosecutions and courts. Plus we have the unenviable position of civilians being Court Martialled.

The Sinai is a case in which there is a long history of detention without cause. In the wake of the 2005 bombing over 3000 were arrested.

With all the torture, murder, and unwarranted jailing across Egypt for the past half century you would think people would stop burring their head in the sand.




Not interested in whataboutery.

Funny how everyone in Egypt seems to be a terrorist these days. But I'm sure having a more effective counter insurgency campaign and actual procedural justice is too good for Egyptians. Why do any of that when you can just kill or imprison anyone you come across.
Friend.. when it is a matter of national security and national interests.. no one can say that it is abuse of power.. What did those bombings in Sinai cost the Egyptian economy and people!? that is the real question.. be it the bombings of the gas pipelines, the downing of the Russian civilian aircraft or the bombings of tourist sites and other places inside Egypt..

Why should anyone believe that forces killed their own guide just like that.. maybe he guided them into a trap..and then the news coming from MB!? this is also a theory..

Have you seen these pictures before.. these are Sinai Daesh guys with Egyptian look-like uniforms..to create confusion.. these guys were killed on the battle field,,there are pictures of their body but it is not allowed to show them on PDF..

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@Mhmoud look what you started lol. :lol:

I guess there are two groups who view what happened in at least one of those videos in 2 different ways.
For me it's pretty clear what happened in at least one of them and that is not the behavior we (or at least I) would like to see from my army. That said, I'm sure it's not a lot of fun fighting these subhuman cretins whom are trying to kill you but that's the exact point I think that needs to be made is that they're the ones who are subhuman cretins...

Anyway, so far 105 cretins eliminated, 2829 suspects captured and 16 KIA and 19 wounded to date.
 
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