Egyptian Armed Forces

[Gomig-21]

New sighting of Russian made all terrain vehicles used by the Egyptian army and SF.

 

[The SC]

New sighting of Russian made all terrain vehicles used by the Egyptian army and SF.

Shouldn't they be heavily armed..if they are reckon vehicles for SF?

 

[HannibalBarca]

Congrats on Total Remilitarisation of the Sinai.

 

[The SC]

Completely made in 14 months..including the two months left
_First steel cutting ceremony was in March 2017_

 

[The SC]

 

[Ceylal]

We see images of the dead ones..and images of suspects arrested.. it is clear..

And how many like this young man have been killed by the terrorists: How many pictures these guys want to see.. and bringing up UN war conventions!? Sorry I think you friend just wants to show some displaced knowledge.. irrelevant in the case of what is going on in Sinai..

Those pictures are made up ..those guys with a cloth on their head are soldiers...they are not terrorists..Soldiers in the field , guarding terrorists, with empty weapons, no ammo shown to be carried....come on! You see it only in Egypt..
Man, instead of giving the only fellow countryman that seems to have carried a gun, and lived the daily grind of a soldier, some hard time, ...listen to him Frogman..is trying to save your face from the crap you post ...

 

[Ceylal]

EAF MiG-35s also escorting the crown prince.

MIG what?
Be real man..
By the way, If I wrote the article on the Mi24,I would have been be a lot harder..The guy who wrote it is one of the best brain in the Med area.., when it comes to Defence and military matters.It is amazing that a guy like you that knows diddly about the military en general, can diss a guy who is on most TV’s in Europe, African and Middle East each time there is an military event in the area..

 

[Crocodile]

The new Fahd-300 APC. An improvement on the original Fahd-280/30 with increased armor and protection against mines and explosives. Undergoing testing ATM and will be in production soon.

Nice to finally see an upgrade to the old Fahd. But it still leaves a few things to be desired, it needed sharper angles, a lower profile and maybe an additional wheel axis, turning it into a 6x6.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Nice to finally see an upgrade to the old Fahd. But it still leaves a few things to be desired, it needed sharper angles, a lower profile and maybe an additional wheel axis, turning it into a 6x6.

Many UptoDate APC manufacturers are willing to share/ToT their product in full...
I still don't understand...why Egypt don't get this opportunity... when it's possible right now.

 

[Gomig-21]

Congrats on Total Remilitarisation of the Sinai.

Notice the profile of the helos on that map? Rumor is they're already using the Ka-52s in these ops.

Completely made in 14 months..including the two months left
_First steel cutting ceremony was in March 2017_

That thing is a beast. All boats and ships look MUCH BIGGER out of the water which is certainly the case here. Gives you a good sense of the size but also the smooth lines on that awesome ship with a rather uniquely shaped bulbous bow.

Notice the motorcycle they're lighting up @ minute 3:25? That's an Orange County Chopper! lol. What are these cretin vermin doing riding around in a chopper? Crazy.

MIG what?
Be real man..
By the way, If I wrote the article on the Mi24,I would have been be a lot harder..The guy who wrote it is one of the best brain in the Med area.., when it comes to Defence and military matters.It is amazing that a guy like you that knows diddly about the military en general, can diss a guy who is on most TV’s in Europe, African and Middle East each time there is an military event in the area..

Well, it's hilariously funny stuff so I can see that. You're right, it would've been much funnier had you written it.

Nice to finally see an upgrade to the old Fahd. But it still leaves a few things to be desired, it needed sharper angles, a lower profile and maybe an additional wheel axis, turning it into a 6x6.

Yep I thought the same thing. It looks like a new chassis with the lower angled section raised much higher than the original. 6x6 was my first thought also and other things like larger or better lights with heavy duty protective grills and maybe even a heavier front-end. Hopefully it's armored a lot better than the original model as they claim since that seemed to be it's Achilles heel.

Many UptoDate APC manufacturers are willing to share/ToT their product in full...
I still don't understand...why Egypt don't get this opportunity... when it's possible right now.

Honestly, with the development of the Timsah and this newer Fahd, they don't really need ToT for APCs or MRAPs etc. since they're already making them. They just need to up the game a bit more. Introduce newer models and things of that sort which supposedly is being done and we should be seeing more of these in the upcoming EDX exhibitions. They certainly don't have a shortage of designers and engineers etc. They just need to elevate the domestic program in a very serious manner. If we were building a mach-2 fighter jet in the late 50's, it's mind blowing that the domestic program is not so much further than it currently is. Very disappointing.

Talking to my cousin in Egypt just a few minutes ago about this updated news regarding the SCALP issue. It's a pretty long article so I'll only post the first half of it (which applies to Egypt) and the link for whomever is interested in reading the whole thing but he brought up a great point.

Missile sale from France to Egypt depends on US permission, Dassault head says

Emirati and foreign visitors pass behind the French-made Storm Shadow/Scalp EG cruise missiles at the opening of the five-day Dubai Air Show on Nov. 20, 2005. (Rabih Moghrabi/AFP via Getty Images)

PARIS — The French government must seek U.S. authorization before selling French Scalp cruise missiles with American components to Egypt, said Eric Trappier, chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation.

Those U.S. parts on the long-range weapon are critical to its ability to function.

Egypt is in talks with France on exercising an option for 12 Rafale fighter jets, business website La Tribune reported. That option was included in a 2015 contract for 24 twin-jet fighters and weapons from Safran and MBDA.

“This is very sensitive,” Trappier said March 8 at a media conference on 2017 financial results. “This is a government-to-government contract. If there are authorizations, then it is up to the government for the component and the government for the aircraft.”

Dassault has delivered 14 of Egypt’s order for 24 Rafale aircraft.

The French Armed Forces Ministry and MBDA declined to comment.

A U.S. State Department official said that “as a matter of policy, we do not comment on private diplomatic exchanges, and we are restricted under federal law from commenting on issues related to specific commercial defense export licensing cases.”

Egypt was the first export client for the Rafale, which was part of a French arms deal that included a Naval Group multimission frigate and four Gowind corvettes, with options for two more. Egypt went on to buy two Mistral helicopter carriers, which France had bought back from Russia.

Previously, France ran into U.S. authorization problems on a 2013 sale of two Falcon Eye spy satellites to the United Arab Emirates. That contract lapsed, as U.S. authorization under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations for two key components was slow. France eventually closed that deal with the UAE in 2014, but only after then-French President François Hollande and then-U.S. President Barack Obama met at the White House and agreed to speed up the authorization.

Dassault expects a down payment from Qatar “shortly” after exercising an option in December for 12 more Rafale fighters, Trappier said. That adds to an initial order for 24 units. Doha also asked for options for 36 more units.

Asked about legal doubt over the French government-to-government offer of the Rafale to Belgium, Trappier said it was simply up to the Belgian government to exercise its national sovereignty, and decide whether to opt out of its fighter competition and pick the Rafale.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...sion-dassault-head-says/#.WqNQ_urrvO8.twitter

His point was that back in the mid-60's, the EAF was operating the Russian Tu-26 which carried these Kelt cruise missiles. According to the records, these were actually operated by the EAF and flown by Egyptian pilots and so they weren't one of the few weapons systems that the Russians operated only and wouldn't allow Egyptians to have full access to them for whatever reason, like the MiG-25 for example. Also according to the October war stats, 25 of these Kelts were fired by the EAF.

He said "look at what China has done with all their incredible reverse engineering along with bold and shameless military espionage and the reversed engineering of so many amazing weapons systems and now building incredible stealth aircraft (not to mention the rest of their most impressive military equipment in all fields) and here is a perfect example of the perfect opportunity in those Kelt cruise missiles that Egypt could've easily reversed engineered way back then just like they did with the Sagger ATGM and the SA-2 and several other smaller systems and had they done that, it wouldn't have necessarily been a replacement for the SCALP-EG in this case, but it raises the question as to where a separate alternative to having an indigenous cruise missile." It's a very valid point, especially when they were building a fighter jet before even getting these Tu-26s and Kelts. Really smh.

And of course there's the other issue with the UAE, an Arab country that operates the SCALP EG and they call it the Black Shaheen but in Egypt's case, there's an issue with possessing a 250km range cruise missile. Doesn't make sense and this deadlock in advanced weapons systems between Egypt and the US might be dictating the current weapons procurement strategy for the Egyptian military which puts the onus on them even more to up their game on the local front.

 

[Crocodile]

There have been two video leaks from the Sinai showcasing the abuses.

On the 28th of October 2014 a video of Egyptian troops was released that pictured the torture of two Captured Personnel.

They were then later identified in pictures released by the Spokesman for the Egyptian Armed Forces. In which they lay dead with rifles positioned at their side. The Spokesman claimed they were killed during a firefight.

On April 20th 2017 the Muslim Brotherhood aligned Mekameleen TV channel leaked footage of extra judicial killings by a civilian guide embedded with a military unit.

Like the previous video, the men were later identified in Egyptian PR material. They lay dead with rifles at their side.

So at least two confirmed (on video) instances of extra judicial killings involving Egyptians.

These men should have been afforded protection under the Geneva Convention and LOAC. As Captured Personnel they were fully in the care of the Security Forces and posed them no threat.

No action was taken against any of the troops involved by way of Court Martial as far as anyone knows.

Lets cut the crap. The Egyptian Security Forces act with impunity across the country. Since 2011 they have been involved in some of the most gruesome examples of violence in Egypt's contemporary history.

The Emergency Laws have allowed them to forcefully detain and jail thousands without warrant. Many have been in custody for years without facing trial.

Scores disappear only to magically resurface in front of National Security prosecutions and courts. Plus we have the unenviable position of civilians being Court Martialled.

The Sinai is a case in which there is a long history of detention without cause. In the wake of the 2005 bombing over 3000 were arrested.

With all the torture, murder, and unwarranted jailing across Egypt for the past half century you would think people would stop burrying their head in the sand.




Not interested in whataboutery.

Funny how everyone in Egypt seems to be a terrorist these days. But I'm sure having a more effective counter insurgency campaign and actual procedural justice is too good for Egyptians. Why do any of that when you can just kill or imprison anyone you come across.

Let's imagine an alternate timeline here. One where the unemployed, good-for-nothing, obsessive-compulsive protesters of Tahrir, along with their Islamist scum friends, and the bleeding heart liberals who make sure they get away with tearing the country to pieces in the name of ''human rights", "due process", or the latest iftikasa "Geneva Convention and law of armed conflict ", Imagine if they all had their way and managed to take the entire country to hell in a handbasket. What good would all these things do for us?

Thanks to all these things you keep complaining about, we now have a safe(ish) country and an economy on its way to recovery. It's not an ideal situation, but at least it's something to build upon. I used to live in Egypt and saw first hand all the chaos and ruin that those dogs brought upon us, and to think that one day I used to support that clown el-baradei ... We were literally at the edge of the abyss, and only by a miracle we came back from that. I'm sorry we don't have a human rights track record like that of Sweden or a an army as professional as the USMC. Right now we're too busy trying to survive the wolves around us who are trying to push us back into that abyss. We're just trying what we can using the tools that we have, believe me, I know, I used to be there.

Oh and BTW, your " Geneva Convention and law of armed conflict" do not apply to terrorists.

 

[Ceylal]

Let's imagine an alternate timeline here. One where the unemployed, good-for-nothing, obsessive-compulsive protesters of Tahrir, along with their Islamist scum friends, and the bleeding heart liberals who make sure they get away with tearing the country to pieces in the name of ''human rights", "due process", or the latest iftikasa "Geneva Convention and law of armed conflict ", Imagine if they all had their way and managed to take the entire country to hell in a handbasket. What good would all these things do for us?

Thanks to all these things you keep complaining about, we now have a safe(ish) country and an economy on its way to recovery. It's not an ideal situation, but at least it's something to build upon. I used to live in Egypt and saw first hand all the chaos and ruin that those dogs brought upon us, and to think that one day I used to support that clown el-baradei ... We were literally at the edge of the abyss, and only by a miracle we came back from that. I'm sorry we don't have a human rights track record like that of Sweden or a an army as professional as the USMC. Right now we're too busy trying to survive the wolves around us who are trying to push us back into that abyss. We're just trying what we can using the tools that we have, believe me, I know, I used to be there.

Saw two videos, one was removed where Egyptien soldiers were shooting innocent inhabitants, and the last one with the mistreatment of another civilian, some images of it were posted in this thread..
You can’t gain the support of the local population by that kind of treatment..I am sure ISIS or who ever is in Sinai behind the killings of Egyptian soldiers, will use this video as a recruitment tool..

Oh and BTW, your " Geneva Convention and law of armed conflict" do not apply to terrorists.

True, Geneva convention applies to armies that fight with dignity..and ...honor....not for mercenaries or terrorists..Egyptian army, in this case is not winning heart, since it is acting like a terror apparatus..
Mistakes are made by any armed forces, but carrying an unending brutality against her own people is unforgiving...

 

[Frogman]

Oh and BTW, your " Geneva Convention and law of armed conflict" do not apply to terrorists.

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States have the obligation and right to defend their citizens against terrorist attacks. This may include the arrest and detention of persons suspected of terrorist crimes. However, this must always be done according to a clearly defined national and/or international legal framework.

Persons detained in relation to an international armed conflict involving two or more states as part of the fight against terrorism – the case with Afghanistan until the establishment of the new government in June 2002 - are protected by IHL applicable to international armed conflicts.

Captured combatants must be granted prisoner of war status (POW) and may be held until the end of active hostilities in that international armed conflict. POWs cannot be tried for mere participation in hostilities, but may be tried for any war crimes they may have committed. In this case they may be held until any sentence imposed has been served. If the POW status of a prisoner is in doubt the Third Geneva Convention stipulates that a competent tribunal should be established to rule on the issue.

Civilians detained for security reasons must be accorded the protections provided for in the Fourth Geneva Convention. Combatants who do not fulfil the requisite criteria for POW stat us (who, for example, do not carry arms openly) or civilians who have taken a direct part in hostilities in an international armed conflict (so-called " unprivileged " or " unlawful " belligerents) are protected by the Fourth Geneva Convention provided they are enemy nationals.

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What is important to know is that no person captured in the fight against terrorism can be considered outside the law. There is no such thing as a " black hole " in terms of legal protection.

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[Crocodile]

Terrorists Have No Geneva Rights

May 26, 2004 | Wall Street Journal

http://www.aei.org/publication/terrorists-have-no-geneva-rights/

A very interesting read from the WSJ. In a nutshell, according to Geneva, the US did absolutely nothing wrong in Abu Gharib and Guantanamo. And neither are we in Sinai.

Enjoy the article.

Article 5 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which governs the treatment of civilians in occupied territories, states that if a civilian “is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the States, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in favor of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.” To be sure, Art. 31 of the Fourth Convention prohibits any “physical or moral coercion” of civilians “to obtain information from them,” and there is a clear prohibition of torture, physical abuse, and denial of medical care, food, and shelter. Nonetheless, Art. 5 makes clear that if an Iraqi civilian who is not a member of the armed forces, has engaged in attacks on Coalition forces, the Geneva Convention permits the use of more coercive interrogation approaches to prevent future attacks.

A response to criminal action by individual soldiers should begin with the military justice system, rather than efforts to impose a one-size-fits-all policy to cover both Iraqi saboteurs and al Qaeda operatives. That is because the conflict with al Qaeda is not governed by the Geneva Conventions, which applies only to international conflicts between states that have signed them. Al Qaeda is not a nation-state, and its members–as they demonstrated so horrifically on Sept. 11, 2001–violate the very core principle of the laws of war by targeting innocent civilians for destruction. While Taliban fighters had an initial claim to protection under the Conventions (since Afghanistan signed the treaties), they lost POW status by failing to obey the standards of conduct for legal combatants: wearing uniforms, a responsible command structure, and obeying the laws of war.

As a result, interrogations of detainees captured in the war on terrorism are not regulated under Geneva. This is not to condone torture, which is still prohibited by the Torture Convention and federal criminal law. Nonetheless, Congress’s definition of torture in those laws–the infliction of severe mental or physical pain–leaves room for interrogation methods that go beyond polite conversation. Under the Geneva Convention, for example, a POW is required only to provide name, rank, and serial number and cannot receive any benefits for cooperating.

The reasons to deny Geneva status to terrorists extend beyond pure legal obligation. The primary enforcer of the laws of war has been reciprocal treatment: We obey the Geneva Conventions because our opponent does the same with American POWs. That is impossible with al Qaeda. It has never demonstrated any desire to provide humane treatment to captured Americans. If anything, the murders of Nicholas Berg and Daniel Pearl declare al Qaeda’s intentions to kill even innocent civilian prisoners. Without territory, it does not even have the resources to provide detention facilities for prisoners, even if it were interested in holding captured POWs.

It is also worth asking whether the strict limitations of Geneva make sense in a war against terrorists. Al Qaeda operates by launching surprise attacks on civilian targets with the goal of massive casualties. Our only means for preventing future attacks, which could use WMDs, is by acquiring information that allows for pre-emptive action. Once the attacks occur, as we learned on Sept. 11, it is too late. It makes little sense to deprive ourselves of an important, and legal, means to detect and prevent terrorist attacks while we are still in the middle of a fight to the death with al Qaeda. Applying different standards to al Qaeda does not abandon Geneva, but only recognizes that the U.S. faces a stateless enemy never contemplated by the Conventions.

This means that the U.S. can pursue different interrogation policies in each location. In fact, Abu Ghraib highlights the benefits of Guantanamo. We can guess that the unacceptable conduct of the soldiers at Abu Ghraib resulted in part from the dangerous state of affairs on the ground in a theater of war.

 

[Ceylal]

Terrorists Have No Geneva Rights

May 26, 2004 | Wall Street Journal

http://www.aei.org/publication/terrorists-have-no-geneva-rights/

A very interesting read from the WSJ. In a nutshell, according to Geneva, the US did absolutely nothing wrong in Abu Gharib and Guantanamo. And neither are we in Sinai.

Enjoy the article.

Difference..Irak wasn’t a US country, and Iraqis are not US citizens..Sinai is Egyptian and your army is molesting Egyptians..its a big difference...that will haunt Egypt...