Egyptian Additional 12 Rafale Order May Delay Indian Deliveries Further

[Zarvan]

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India’s 36 rafale fighter deliveries may be delayed further if Egypt opts to purchase 12 Rafale optional under the contract signed with France in February 2015.

In the wake of the visit of French President François Hollande in Egypt in April this year , negotiations between the Egyptian army and Dassault Aviation have started to purchase twelve Rafale optional under the last year’s contract, La Tribune reported quoting sources as saying last week.

French Minister of Defence, Jean-Yves Le Drian, had formalized the first sale of Rafale combat aircraft for export (24 in total) in February last year.

“The number of annual Rafale deliveries would increase from 2018, adding that the rate could at least double from a current 11 in anticipation of further export orders, Chief Executive Eric Trappier had said in April this year.

Even after increasing production of the Rafale Fighter from the present 11 a year to three a month, Dassault may find it difficult to commit early deliveries to India. Dassault may not be in a position to start the Indian deliveries in the 2017 timeframe as originally planned.

The Indo-French rafale deal negotiation has hit a roadblock with the French government rejecting New Delhi’s request for a sovereign or bank guarantee. The French Defence Minister on April 1 wrote to Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parikkar saying that Euro 7.8 billion for 36 jets is the best deal his country can offer. India asked for a 30% cut in the Euro 10.8 billion deal. India is yet to reply.

The first jet will be delivered in 36 months after the signing of the deal and the last will be delivered over seven years.

Apart from the additional 12 fighter jets order from Egypt, the deal with India could get further delayed given Presidential elections in France next year.

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[C130]

this isn't a big deal India loves delays

but a better solution is the Super Hornet

make a deal like this

Boeing makes 2 Super Hornets a month can be ramped up to 3 a month

So Boeing makes the first 48 or 72 for the first two/three years til they can be made in India by Tata or Hal

the rest are made in India.

Kuwait wants 24 Super Hornets for $3 billion


so India will pay $6/9 billion for 48/72.


also the Made in India Super Hornets should cost less to produce as well

this Rafale fiasco might drag on and drag well into 2017, time to make a move India

 

[Bratva]

this isn't a big deal India loves delays

but a better solution is the Super Hornet

make a deal like this

Boeing makes 2 Super Hornets a month can be ramped up to 3 a month

So Boeing makes the first 48 or 72 for the first two/three years til they can be made in India by Tata or Hal

the rest are made in India.

Kuwait wants 24 Super Hornets for $3 billion


so India will pay $6/9 billion for 48/72.


also the Made in India Super Hornets should cost less to produce as well

this Rafale fiasco might drag on and drag well into 2017, time to make a move India

are you a sales representative of Boeing?

 

[C130]

are you a sales representative of Boeing?

nah, I just want to see this end ASAP with the best outcome.

 

[SpArK]

Deal is delayed and now the delivery about to get delayed.

Why should Indians have all the fun?

 

[Maj.Osmani]

@Zarvan Indian Rafale deal still not finalized so there would be no delay technically, when someone sign a deal and confirms the order then you can say delivery may be delayed.

 

[[Bregs]]

when the deal was signed in april for 36 fighters it was clearly mentioned that the deliveries will start in 2 yrs, now its delayed for signing by 14 months so may be more delays

 

[I M Sikander]

So sad , when the rest of the world are increasing their order, Indian first reduced their order from 124 to 36 and add still discussing the mother of all deal with frencg.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

nah, I just want to see this end ASAP with the best outcome.

You have no idea regarding Indian procurement...

 

[I M Sikander]

when the deal was signed in april for 36 fighters it was clearly mentioned that the deliveries will start in 2 yrs, now its delayed for signing by 14 months so may be more delays

It will get more and more delay as long as Indian MoD continue with their unending negotiations.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

when the deal was signed in april for 36 fighters it was clearly mentioned that the deliveries will start in 2 yrs, now its delayed for signing by 14 months so may be more delays

It was MOU not a deal..

 

[C130]

You have no idea regarding Indian procurement...

true

 

[I M Sikander]

You have no idea regarding Indian procurement...

We are having a very good idea of Indian procurement, which is going on for more than a decade regarding mother of all deal.

 

[kaykay]

OP is not updated well. 36 month first aircraft delivery was linked with the old mmrca delivery schedule which is dropped now. In fact quick delivery is one of the key requirements in this new deal.

 

[randomradio]

The contract for the IAF would already be frozen based on negotiation deadlines. The Egyptian options won't affect it.

this isn't a big deal India loves delays

but a better solution is the Super Hornet

make a deal like this

Boeing makes 2 Super Hornets a month can be ramped up to 3 a month

So Boeing makes the first 48 or 72 for the first two/three years til they can be made in India by Tata or Hal

the rest are made in India.

Kuwait wants 24 Super Hornets for $3 billion


so India will pay $6/9 billion for 48/72.


also the Made in India Super Hornets should cost less to produce as well

this Rafale fiasco might drag on and drag well into 2017, time to make a move India

I don't know why you believe the Rafale and SH are competing. There's no competition there. The Rafale deal is a continuation of the MMRCA, and in that deal, the SH did not even get into the top 2.

The MMRCA has now been split into a higher tier (Rafale) and a lower tier order, SH is fighting for the lower tier order.

SH is competing with the F-16 and Gripen E. And the SH that you are producing right now is the navy version, what IAF may order will be the modernized ASH made for IAF's specs, including 9G wings, not the 'broken' ones the USN's using for carrier ops.