Egypt to buy 2 Mistral warships from France

[Frogman]

Please, have we ever seen a USS Wasp filled with a thousand US Navy SEALs onboard serving as a MEU?

They are a maritime special operations force. Environment of a seaborne expeditionary force is completely different than that of a SF force. Besides, you'll decrease the quality of your Naval SOF. No way Egypt will do that.

It's an umbrella term for the entirety of the Egyptian marine force rather than just for maritime SOF.

You have money, resources, manpower and US backing if you carry on being under their influence.
I see no reason to form such a force.

But the politicians do.

 

[Sinai Horus]

Brothers @Frogman @Hell NO @MICA @Mahmoud_EGY @Sinai Horus etc.

Do you know if the Russian-made equipment made for the Mistrals has been fully removed yet? I wonder if Russia helped finance a part of the cost in return for Egypt buying a number of Ka-52 helicopters? If that's the case I see no need to remove the initial Russian equipment from the Mistrals.

Some reports say that the equipment won't be removed. Defense News quoted French official saying that Russia agreed that Russian equipment fitted on the Mistrals could stay on board if Egypt bought them.

French Offical: Russian Systems May Stay Aboard Mistrals if Egypt Buys

 

[Neptune]

It's an umbrella term for the entirety of the Egyptian marine force rather than just for maritime SOF.



But the politicians do.

1- then why I don't see any units more than a battalion-scale that is specialized on marine operations..

2- I didn't meant that. I meant to say "I see no obstacle to form such a force"

 

[Kompromat]

I probably shouldn't but im feeling jealous of Egyptian navy

 

[Frogman]

1- then why I don't see any units more than a battalion-scale that is specialized on marine operations..

Because it's just that small

The Navy is reliant on the Army for manpower to conduct large scale (in Egyptian terms that is) amphibious operations. Something that will hopefully be rectified in the coming years.

 

[Neptune]

I probably shouldn't but im feeling jealous of Egyptian navy

Ehemm. I think you meant the Gulf Peninsula

Because it's just that small

The Navy is reliant on the Army for manpower to conduct large scale (in Egyptian terms that is) amphibious operations. Something that will hopefully be rectified in the coming years.

How about logistics of two ships and those to inducted to escort them?

 

[airmarshal]

Dont understand why Egypt needs them.

 

[BordoEnes]

This really seems like a waste of money. Aside from the logistic and maintenance issues, does Egypte even have the neccesary warships to form even a single battle group?

 

[Oublious]

KSA, pay the bill.

 

[MICA]

Wow, congrats for getting these beasts.

Thanks man

 

[Ankit Kumar 001]

@atatwolf

Because these 2 Mistrals were built to Russian customisation. It does not feature conventional propulsion system rather Azimuthal Thrusters which is one of the main requirements by our navy. Also comes in the factor of size and displacement.

When India goes for an LHD, then Mistral will surely be a front runner but these two simply didn't fit in our forces .

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

It's likely that all 3 parties are somehow involved (Egypt, ...KSA and UAE). It would come as no surprise either as a stable neighboring Egypt has historical always meant a stable KSA. Looking towards the future I see nothing but increased Egyptian and Saudi Arabian cooperation.
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Egypt, Saudi Arabia Eye French Mistral Warships

Ehemm. I think you meant the Gulf Peninsula

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It's just ‘a simple concurrence of events'.


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[Penguin]

Mediterranean: The Egyptian navy's headquarters and main base is at Alexandria on the Mediterranean Sea with other Mediterranean naval bases at Port Said and Mersa Matruh.
Red Sea: Egypt naval bases on the Red Sea are Hurghada, Safaga, Berenice and Suez

The Egyptian Navy will be restructured into two different fleets, one for the Mediterranean sea and the other for the Red Sea. This in a context where the safety of shipping in the Red Sea is becoming increasingly important

Egyptian Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Egyptian Navy is the largest navy in the Middle East and Africa, and is the seventh largest in the world measured by the number of vessels.

List of ships of the Egyptian Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4 modernized (Harpoon equipped) Romeo class subs.

1 FREMM frigate from France
4 FFG7/OHP frigates (WITH functional Mk13 > Standard missile + Harpoon) from USA
2 Knox class frigates from USA
2 Jianghu I (light) frigates (1700 ton) from China
2 Koni class (light) frigates (tons) from Serbia-Montenegro (former Yugoslavia)
2 Descubierta class (light) frigates (1500 ton) from Spain

3 Polocny A class landing ship tank (800 tons, crew 108)
9 Vydra class landing ships tank (600tn, crew 20)

Note: Egypt is expected to receive two new Harpoon equipped German Type 209 submarines. Egypt had signed a deal with Berlin to buy two German-made submarines in 2011, then ordered two more in 2014. The first 2 Type 209 submarine will be delivered in 2016.

List of ships of the Egyptian Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://www.ihs.com/pdf/IHS-Janes-Amphibious-and-Special-Forces-Egyptian-Navy_175592110913044232.pdf.
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/13717201/egypt-buy-used-ships-from-serbia-Montenegro
Egypt to receive German Submarines soon, a new French multipurpose frigate - Politics - Egypt - Ahram OnlineExclusive: China trying to undercut Germany on submarine offer to Egypt| Reuters
Type 209 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amphibious fleet
This is a modest fleet of relatively elderly vessels. With no minor landing craft or fast assault craft, plans to conduct unilateral, opposed beach landings are unlikely. The LSMs and LCUs can operate rubber assault craft but probably in the
reconnaissance role or special forces role rather than to hold a beach prior to a main landing. If all craft were operational, then a theoretical MBT lift of 45 could be achieved.
There has been a requirement for LPD/LST type ships for some years. Russia is a possible supplier of second-hand ships if funds can be found. RoRo ferries are chartered for amphibious exercises.

https://www.ihs.com/pdf/IHS-Janes-Amphibious-and-Special-Forces-Egyptian-Navy_175592110913044232.pdf.

Looking at the landing ships and craft, these are 1960s-1970s era ships. You may well see a bunch of these retired (total crew: 495 hands). Even if the Egyptian navy does not immediatelyh retires some more of its older - manpower intensive - ship and/or replaces them with new, more automated ships, sufficient manpower should be available. Mistral complement is 160 (apparently 20 officers, 80 petty officers, and 60 quarter-masters) .

What the rest of the fleet will look like by 2020 was already pointed out.

 

[black-hawk_101]

Updated: September 23, 2015 16:59 IST
Egypt to buy 2 Mistral warships from France - The Hindu

French President Francois Hollande and his Egyptian counterpart Abdel Fattah Al-Sissi have agreed on the purchase by Egypt of the two French Mistral helicopter carriers whose planned sale to Russia was cancelled.

"They agreed on the principle and the terms of the acquisition by Egypt of the two Mistral warships, Mr. Hollande's office said in a statement on Wednesday.

How much money will be required and who is paying it? Also Egypt is buying 50 Ka-52 Alligators for these ships and I am sure some other Kamovs Naval support helis too.

these big boys are ours now

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Can both accommodate 25-30 helis like kamovs each?

 

[Penguin]

Aircraft carried: typically 16 heavy or 35 light helicopters or a mix

Russia was going to use a mix of Ka-52K attack heli's, Ka-27 ASW heli's and possibly K-29 Assault (troop transport) helis
8×Kamov Ka-52K attack helicopters (Naval version of Ka-52 which is under construction)
4×Kamov Ka-29TB transport helicopters
4×Kamov Ka-27P ASW helicopters.