Egypt signs $2 billion deal for 50 MiG-35 fighter jets from Russia

[Turan09]

I know this is wishful thinking ..... but in the real life Turkey is the first Muslim Country that recognized Israel .... then Turkey is the first Muslim Country that have military exercise with Israel ... ( where IAF pilots exercise how to bomb other Muslim Countries) ..... then Turkey was the first and as far I know only after Turkey is Qatar ( with Rafal Helmits) .... the only 2 Muslim countries that use Israeli defense technology.

So Stop being worried about Muslim and be yourself ( a NATO Member and Israeli ally)...

As for Egyptian- Israeli wars ..... just read and educate Yourself..... Israel never accept peace and never give occupied land back ..... but with Egypt they accepted peace and gave us our land back ... because they are smart enough to understand that the price of occupying Egyptian land is very high and they cannot afford.

Finally, you are comparing the aging TAF with much modern EAF .... what a joke .
With the most experienced Pilots either arrested or dismissed for being Fathalla gulun supporters ....
Man you still operating Phantoms

Oh, You forget to add one thing. It was us who saved jews from Nazi Germany. You know we gave hundreds of Turkish Passports to jews (Mostly children and women) who wants to flee from EU... What can I say, we are a victim of our own good will... We created a monster. For our defence, no body didn't thought this bare feet ''poor'' people who fleeing from Hitler ever could create a state in the middle of Palestine... But arabs are full of surprise...
I don't ''worry'' about you. I am just saying you the truth. You can both kill each other as you wish, and with Israeli promised land demands, this will happen more often.
Yeah, great... They go back from Sina not by force but with their own decision. A political victory. Happy for you.
TuAF is not aging... Most of the F-5's are out of inventory, we will use Akinci and Hürjet for this purpose...
Ring a bell? Both Turkish made.
I didn't want to make it a piss contest, but here is the truth for you, only 36+50 jets of yours will have BVR. Your F-16's are worthless... And it is quite funny from my perspective to compare this 86 jets to TuAF... Hey what happened to your army in Libya?
Most of the Turkish pilots are not ''arrested'' Feto was a minority. And it was necessary to get rid of them, otherwise our end would be same as you... (Ring a bell?) No body wants that...
Turkey needs more pilots because we produced so many UCAV's in this last few years... (120 Bayraktar TB2 - 40 Anka-S) All this UCAV's are operating by Aircraft pilots if you don't know... So there is a huge demand for pilots in TuAF because of this. In few years it will be fine.

 

[Nasr]

6- Rafal, 7- Su-35

Question is, whether the Rafales will be equipped with Meteor missiles for Egyptian Air Force?

 

[MMM-E]

Finally, you are comparing the aging TAF with much modern EAF .... what a joke

EAF is joke to compare with TURAF


Turkey joined to F-35 program as global partner to replace F-4s

Turkey has money to buy the most modern Fighter Jets
even Turkey spent $40 billion for Syrian refugees in Turkey
$40 billion = 400 F35 or 700 SU-35

but Turkey wants to develop its own platforms HURJET and TF-X

1) Egyptian F-16s are obsolete and without BVR .... Egyptian Rafales armed with 50-60km MICA air to air missiles

Turkish Airforce 163 CCIP modernized F-16s and 29 F-16 block50+ armed with 120km AIM-120C7 air to air missiles and APG-68(V)9 Radar to beat Egyptian F-16s and Rafales in BVR combat


2) Turkish Airforce has 4 Boeing E7-T AEWC with its high-technology the MESA radar is the latest generation airborne surveillance radar system range of 600+ km tracking 180 targets
also radar antenna array is doubled as an ELINT array with 850 km at 9000 m altitude


3) EAF has no strategic transport Aircraft ... Turkish Airforce has 10 Airbus A400M

4) EAF has no Refueling Tanker ... Turkish Airforce has 7 Boeing KC-135R stratotanker

5) EAF has no strategic UCAV ... by 2020 AKINCI UCAV will be in service to carry even cruise missile

6) EAF has no Radar Electronic Warfare System ... Turkish Airforce has KORAL and REDET
Also Aselsan has started deliveries of 60 SPEWS-II Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suite to the Turkish Airforce F-16Cs for SEAD role
Also MEHPOD and EHPOD Jamming Pods

7) EAF has no Stand off Jammer Aircraft .... Turkish Airforce will have Stand off Jammer Aircraft by 2023

8) Turkish Airforce has superior S-400 Air Defense System to turn EAF Figter Jets into crap of metal in the Eastern Mediterranean

9) Turkish HISAR-A and HISAR-O Air Defense Systems will be in service by 2020-2021 to intercept Cruise Missiles and Fighter Jets

10) EAF is begging SCALP Cruise Missiles for Rafales ... Turkey produce more 415 SOM Cruise Missiles
Also network enabled capability with national tactical data link ( only a few airforces in the world and Turkish Airforce is one of them )



The Israeli Air Force launched a massive airstrike that destroyed the majority of the Egyptian Air Force on the ground ,,, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian Air Forces, with about 450 aircrafts were destroyed

Turkish Airforce also can do it in one night


Turkey has able to conduct large scale operations .. only Israeli and Turkish Airforces can do it in the region

Turkish Airforce 150 F-16s armed with SOM, SLAM-ER, HARM and AIM-120C7 + 100 AKINCI UCAVs armed with SOM cruise missiles + Boeing E7-T AEWCs + 7 Boeing KC-135R Refueling Tankers + soon Stand off Jammer Aircrafts to conduct large scale operation in the region

also Turkey develops HURJET , 100 HURJET can carry 200 SOM cruise missiles

also if Turkish Airforce take 100 F-35A or SU-35 Fighter Jets , then GAME OVER !

 

[Amun]

Oh, You forget to add one thing. It was us who saved jews from Nazi Germany. You know we gave hundreds of Turkish Passports to jews (Mostly children and women) who wants to flee from EU... What can I say, we are a victim of our own good will... We created a monster. For our defence, no body didn't thought this bare feet ''poor'' people who fleeing from Hitler ever could create a state in the middle of Palestine... But arabs are full of surprise...
I don't ''worry'' about you. I am just saying you the truth. You can both kill each other as you wish, and with Israeli promised land demands, this will happen more often.
Yeah, great... They go back from Sina not by force but with their own decision. A political victory. Happy for you.
TuAF is not aging... Most of the F-5's are out of inventory, we will use Akinci and Hürjet for this purpose...
Ring a bell? Both Turkish made.
I didn't want to make it a piss contest, but here is the truth for you, only 36+50 jets of yours will have BVR. Your F-16's are worthless... And it is quite funny from my perspective to compare this 86 jets to TuAF... Hey what happened to your army in Libya?
Most of the Turkish pilots are not ''arrested'' Feto was a minority. And it was necessary to get rid of them, otherwise our end would be same as you... (Ring a bell?) No body wants that...
Turkey needs more pilots because we produced so many UCAV's in this last few years... (120 Bayraktar TB2 - 40 Anka-S) All this UCAV's are operating by Aircraft pilots if you don't know... So there is a huge demand for pilots in TuAF because of this. In few years it will be fine.

That’s good Propaganda about NAZI and Jews ..... May the west support you with some cash as you needed from Syrian refugees .... otherwise you will open the boarders as your president said over and over .... ( what about Armenian victims ) .... ( ring a bill ) you are not that pure and innocence. .... so stop acting like one .

As for Air crafts and BVR capabilities which is not a guarantee for winning an Air battle.

- 36 Rafal with MICA & Meteor when ready. ( included in the original deal).
- 50 MIGs with R-77 .
- 220 F-16 with AIM - 7 sparrow missile (Medium-range, semi-active radar homing air-to-air missile ) BVR Capable
- 20 MIRAGE-2000 with MICA.
- 24 SU-35 with everything ( contract signed ).
So they are 300+ BVR capable Air crafts.

What about Libya ??! The terrorists you support are 1000 KMs away from the Egyptian boarders .... I know you tried hard ..... but it is not Syria .... in Libya , Egypt will support Libyan brothers to stand against terrorists and their supporters.

Question is, whether the Rafales will be equipped with Meteor missiles for Egyptian Air Force?

Yes dear, it is a part from the original deal .

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey spent $40 billion for Syrian refugees in Turkey
so Turkey would buy all Egyptian Airforce for $40 billion

Turkey has money to buy the most modern Fighter Jets
$40 billion = 400 F35 or 700 SU-35
but Turkey wants to develop its own platforms HURJET and TF-X
Egypt is paper tiger , nothing else ,,, Egyptian Airforce has no large scale operation capabillity




The Israeli Air Force launched a massive airstrike that destroyed the majority of the Egyptian Air Force on the ground in 1967 ,,, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian Air Forces, with about 450 aircrafts were destroyed

Turkish Airforce also can do it in one night

Turkey has able to conduct large scale operations .. only Israeli and Turkish Airforces can do it in the region

Turkish Airforce 150 F-16s armed with SOM, SLAM-ER, HARM and AIM-120C7 + 100 AKINCI UCAVs armed with SOM cruise missiles + Boeing E7-T AEWCs + 7 Boeing KC-135R Refueling Tankers + soon Stand off Jammer Aircrafts to conduct large scale operation in the region

also Turkey develops HURJET , 100 HURJET can carry 200 SOM cruise missiles

also if Turkish Airforce take 100 F-35A or SU-35 Fighter Jets , then GAME OVER !





EGYPTIAN AIRFORCE

-- 36 Rafales with 50-60km MICA .... METEOR is dream as like SCALP-EG
-- 50 MIG-29 with 80km R-77
-- 220 F-16 with 45km AIM-7

Egypt can not buy SU-35 because of American sanctions
The US official warning to Egypt stipulated that the arrival of the Su-35 jets to Egypt is violating the US CAATSA (Countering America’s Adversaries through Sanctions) act


TURKISH AIRFORCE

-- 234 F-16 with 75km AIM-120B and 120km AIM-120C7
-- 100 F-35A on order / or SU-35s from Russia
-- 380km S-400 Air Defense Missiles

65km Turkish BOZDOGAN air to air Missile is under development for the TF-X , HURJET and AKINCI UCAV

 

[Turan09]

EAF is joke to compare with TURAF


Turkey joined to F-35 program as global partner to replace F-4s

Turkey has money to buy the most modern Fighter Jets
even Turkey spent $40 billion for Syrian refugees in Turkey
$40 billion = 400 F35 or 700 SU-35

but Turkey wants to develop its own platforms HURJET and TF-X

1) Egyptian F-16s are obsolete and without BVR .... Egyptian Rafales armed with 50-60km MICA air to air missiles

Turkish Airforce 163 CCIP modernized F-16s and 29 F-16 block50+ armed with 120km AIM-120C7 air to air missiles and APG-68(V)9 Radar to beat Egyptian F-16s and Rafales in BVR combat


2) Turkish Airforce has 4 Boeing E7-T AEWC with its high-technology the MESA radar is the latest generation airborne surveillance radar system range of 600+ km tracking 180 targets
also radar antenna array is doubled as an ELINT array with 850 km at 9000 m altitude


3) EAF has no strategic transport Aircraft ... Turkish Airforce has 10 Airbus A400M

4) EAF has no Refueling Tanker ... Turkish Airforce has 7 Boeing KC-135R stratotanker

5) EAF has no strategic UCAV ... by 2020 AKINCI UCAV will be in service to carry even cruise missile

6) EAF has no Radar Electronic Warfare System ... Turkish Airforce has KORAL and REDET
Also Aselsan has started deliveries of 60 SPEWS-II Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suite to the Turkish Airforce F-16Cs for SEAD role
Also MEHPOD and EHPOD Jamming Pods

7) EAF has no Stand off Jammer Aircraft .... Turkish Airforce will have Stand off Jammer Aircraft by 2023

8) Turkish Airforce has superior S-400 Air Defense System to turn EAF Figter Jets into crap of metal in the Eastern Mediterranean

9) Turkish HISAR-A and HISAR-O Air Defense Systems will be in service by 2020-2021 to intercept Cruise Missiles and Fighter Jets

10) EAF is begging SCALP Cruise Missiles for Rafales ... Turkey produce more 415 SOM Cruise Missiles
Also network enabled capability with national tactical data link ( only a few airforces in the world and Turkish Airforce is one of them )



The Israeli Air Force launched a massive airstrike that destroyed the majority of the Egyptian Air Force on the ground ,,, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian Air Forces, with about 450 aircrafts were destroyed

Turkish Airforce also can do it in one night


Turkey has able to conduct large scale operations .. only Israeli and Turkish Airforces can do it in the region

Turkish Airforce 150 F-16s armed with SOM, SLAM-ER, HARM and AIM-120C7 + 100 AKINCI UCAVs armed with SOM cruise missiles + Boeing E7-T AEWCs + 7 Boeing KC-135R Refueling Tankers + soon Stand off Jammer Aircrafts to conduct large scale operation in the region

also Turkey develops HURJET , 100 HURJET can carry 200 SOM cruise missiles

also if Turkish Airforce take 100 F-35A or SU-35 Fighter Jets , then GAME OVER !

So You say Egyptian Rafales are not gonna get meteor? Just MICA? Are you sure?

That’s good Propaganda about NAZI and Jews ..... May the west support you with some cash as you needed from Syrian refugees .... otherwise you will open the boarders as your president said over and over .... ( what about Armenian victims ) .... ( ring a bill ) you are not that pure and innocence. .... so stop acting like one .

As for Air crafts and BVR capabilities which is not a guarantee for winning an Air battle.

- 36 Rafal with MICA & Meteor when ready. ( included in the original deal).
- 50 MIGs with R-77 .
- 220 F-16 with AIM - 7 sparrow missile (Medium-range, semi-active radar homing air-to-air missile ) BVR Capable
- 20 MIRAGE-2000 with MICA.
- 24 SU-35 with everything ( contract signed ).
So they are 300+ BVR capable Air crafts.

What about Libya ??! The terrorists you support are 1000 KMs away from the Egyptian boarders .... I know you tried hard ..... but it is not Syria .... in Libya , Egypt will support Libyan brothers to stand against terrorists and their supporters.



Yes dear, it is a part from the original deal .

It's not propaganda. We saved jews from Nazi Germany, thought maybe we shouldn't have. Same goes for Syrians, we saved them and now they will go to EU or back to Syria. Their own choice.
Armenians? Yeah, that happens when you attack Turkish nation... Take notes.

Oh, nothing is certain in a war. But it is a realty, that americans gifted you toothless F-16's that couldn't hurt Israel. Sparrow is a garbage if you use it alone... And you know that too. Or what? You thought America would gave you real weapons for free? Ask for some AIM-120... Otherwise all this F-16's you have will easly buchered by a real airforce...
Your airforce is a joke, with all this different kind of crippled jets... thought you are trying to rebuild it with Raphale (only if you got Meteor with it... it is still not certain if french gonna give it to you or not. Let's see if Israel gonna object or not in the last minute.)
I'm sceptical about Mig-35, Russia favored Su-30 - 35 series over Mig for a reason.
We choose to go in our own way. Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan air to air missiles, our own SAM's... Our own Hürjet and TFX... For god sake even Egypt was a great customer for Turkish defence Industry. You even wanted to have ANKA, thought we canceled the deal after military coup.
In the end you don't posses any danger for us. And let's be honest, we are not gonna really fight anyway. This piss contest is nothing. We will kick your dictator's a*s in Libya more if he won't leave. We don't have to use our jets, our UCAV's taking care of every enemy anyway. In Libya democratically elected goverment will win, We are not gonna let them live in your fate...
And after SISI lose his power, and when the people of Egypt took their power back, Egypt will be an ally again. After that you can have more Turkish Defence products, we are generous.

 

[MMM-E]

So You say Egyptian Rafales are not gonna get meteor? Just MICA?

the US blocked the sale of the SCALP cruise missile to Egypt ... because security of Israel
so the US and Israel never want Egypt to get METEOR air to air missile

even Saudi Arabia's Meteor Missile buy blocked

 

[Turan09]

the US blocked the sale of the SCALP cruise missile to Egypt ... because security of Israel
so the US and Israel never want Egypt to get METEOR air to air missile

even Saudi Arabia's Meteor Missile buy blocked

Yeah, I remembered about SCALP... And I agree with you, METEOR is a pretty crucial missile... If west doesnt even wanna sell SCALP to Egypt, METEOR is out of question.
But anyway, time will tell...

 

[MMM-E]

Yeah, I remembered about SCALP... And I agree with you, METEOR is a pretty crucial missile... If west doesnt even wanna sell SCALP to Egypt, METEOR is out of question.

Therefore , National defense technology and industry represent a nation's economic and technological power and are important pillars of the comprehensive national power. They are also essential for the raising of the nation's status in the world

Egypt can not develop even Cruise Missile ... so pathetic


Thanks to Turkish Defense Industry for over 700 military projects including Cruise Missiles , Air to Air Missiles and Air Defense Missiles

-- SOM , ATMACA and GEZGIN air-land-naval launched Cruise Missiles
-- BOZDOGAN and GOKDOGAN Air to Air Missiles
-- AKBABA anti radiation Missile
-- KHAN/BORA Ballistic Missiles
-- HISAR and SIPER Air Defense Missiles

 

[Philip the Arab]

Therefore , National defense technology and industry represent a nation's economic and technological power and are important pillars of the comprehensive national power. They are also essential for the raising of the nation's status in the world

Egypt can not develop even Cruise Missile ... so pathetic


Thanks to Turkish Defense Industry for over 700 military projects including Cruise Missiles , Air to Air Missiles and Air Defense Missiles

-- SOM , ATMACA and GEZGIN air-land-naval launched Cruise Missiles
-- BOZDOGAN and GOKDOGAN Air to Air Missiles
-- AKBABA anti radiation Missile
-- KHAN/BORA Ballistic Missiles
-- HISAR and SIPER Air Defense Missiles

I'm 100% sure Egypt could develop all types of missiles if it put in money, and hired educated Egyptian engineers. Egypt doesn't need to for a while but if needed it will happen. Many developed nations have sub-par defense industries like Spain, Portugal, Norway, Finland, etc.

 

[Turan09]

I'm 100% sure Egypt could develop all types of missiles if it put in money, and hired educated Egyptian engineers. Egypt doesn't need to for a while but if needed it will happen. Many developed nations have sub-par defense industries like Spain, Portugal, Norway, Finland, etc.

In theory every nation can build a defence Industry if they pay money to their own engineers and work for their own designs... Of course it will take years. But only the nations who choose to work hard on it, the nations who are ready to take the risks will have a defence Industry.
For Egypt... Egypt never show any real Interests to build a defence Industry... They are in a dangerous region, there is threats everywhere but no. They don't work on their own Industry. It is easier to buy weapons afterall. (Even if French doesn't want to sell SCALP.)
You are talking about all this nations, My personel favored is Sweeden. With their 10 millions population they created a beast called Gripen, and now look at the arab states again... They have money, they need an army. But they are just trying buying it, because they are lazy. Nothing more and nothing less...
And countries who buy their weapons will be always exposed and weak. You can buy all this french and american toys... But if they embargo you for 6 months, you can't even fly your little drones.
And maybe they even won't sell you cruise missiles even if you wanna pay, and it is humiliating.

 

[Hell NO]

EAF is joke to compare with TURAF


Turkey joined to F-35 program as global partner to replace F-4s

Turkey has money to buy the most modern Fighter Jets
even Turkey spent $40 billion for Syrian refugees in Turkey
$40 billion = 400 F35 or 700 SU-35

but Turkey wants to develop its own platforms HURJET and TF-X

1) Egyptian F-16s are obsolete and without BVR .... Egyptian Rafales armed with 50-60km MICA air to air missiles

Turkish Airforce 163 CCIP modernized F-16s and 29 F-16 block50+ armed with 120km AIM-120C7 air to air missiles and APG-68(V)9 Radar to beat Egyptian F-16s and Rafales in BVR combat


2) Turkish Airforce has 4 Boeing E7-T AEWC with its high-technology the MESA radar is the latest generation airborne surveillance radar system range of 600+ km tracking 180 targets
also radar antenna array is doubled as an ELINT array with 850 km at 9000 m altitude


3) EAF has no strategic transport Aircraft ... Turkish Airforce has 10 Airbus A400M

4) EAF has no Refueling Tanker ... Turkish Airforce has 7 Boeing KC-135R stratotanker

5) EAF has no strategic UCAV ... by 2020 AKINCI UCAV will be in service to carry even cruise missile

6) EAF has no Radar Electronic Warfare System ... Turkish Airforce has KORAL and REDET
Also Aselsan has started deliveries of 60 SPEWS-II Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suite to the Turkish Airforce F-16Cs for SEAD role
Also MEHPOD and EHPOD Jamming Pods

7) EAF has no Stand off Jammer Aircraft .... Turkish Airforce will have Stand off Jammer Aircraft by 2023

8) Turkish Airforce has superior S-400 Air Defense System to turn EAF Figter Jets into crap of metal in the Eastern Mediterranean

9) Turkish HISAR-A and HISAR-O Air Defense Systems will be in service by 2020-2021 to intercept Cruise Missiles and Fighter Jets

10) EAF is begging SCALP Cruise Missiles for Rafales ... Turkey produce more 415 SOM Cruise Missiles
Also network enabled capability with national tactical data link ( only a few airforces in the world and Turkish Airforce is one of them )



The Israeli Air Force launched a massive airstrike that destroyed the majority of the Egyptian Air Force on the ground ,,, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian Air Forces, with about 450 aircrafts were destroyed

Turkish Airforce also can do it in one night


Turkey has able to conduct large scale operations .. only Israeli and Turkish Airforces can do it in the region

Turkish Airforce 150 F-16s armed with SOM, SLAM-ER, HARM and AIM-120C7 + 100 AKINCI UCAVs armed with SOM cruise missiles + Boeing E7-T AEWCs + 7 Boeing KC-135R Refueling Tankers + soon Stand off Jammer Aircrafts to conduct large scale operation in the region

also Turkey develops HURJET , 100 HURJET can carry 200 SOM cruise missiles

also if Turkish Airforce take 100 F-35A or SU-35 Fighter Jets , then GAME OVER !

Isn't that the money you made from buying Isis oil.

All of your information about the Egyptian airforce is false Egypt does operate heavy lifting aircraft and also operate EC-130H so please read before you write. Egypt f16 are far from obsolete and even without the f16 the Egyptian airforce will devour the Turkish airforce.
S400 is vulnerable due to the weakness of the other systems in your air defence. Again having one capable system in limited number doesn't make your air defence network unbeatable it just makes those systems high priority.

 

[Amun]

the US blocked the sale of the SCALP cruise missile to Egypt ... because security of Israel
so the US and Israel never want Egypt to get METEOR air to air missile

even Saudi Arabia's Meteor Missile buy blocked

Yeah, I remembered about SCALP... And I agree with you, METEOR is a pretty crucial missile... If west doesnt even wanna sell SCALP to Egypt, METEOR is out of question.
But anyway, time will tell...

Guys ..... you are always outdated.

USA has lifted it’s Veto against Scalp - EG to Egypt and the new A2A meteor missile
https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...passe-entre-la-france-et-l-egypte-815119.html

That was 6 months ago .... and Egypt started to get SCALPs according to SIPRI and now EAF got 50 SCALPs.

I'm 100% sure Egypt could develop all types of missiles if it put in money, and hired educated Egyptian engineers. Egypt doesn't need to for a while but if needed it will happen. Many developed nations have sub-par defense industries like Spain, Portugal, Norway, Finland, etc.

You are extremely right .... Egyptian armed forces have cruise missiles capabilities from 80s of the last century with a range of 2000+ KM .... by modifying the SCARAB stealth drone ... which is now locally produced in Egypt.

Read the below interesting source.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...tealth-recon-drone-called-scarab-in-the-1980s

 

[Philip the Arab]

Guys ..... you are always outdated.

USA has lifted it’s Veto against Scalp - EG to Egypt and the new A2A meteor missile
https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...passe-entre-la-france-et-l-egypte-815119.html

That was 6 months ago .... and Egypt started to get SCALPs according to SIPRI and now EAF got 50 SCALPs.

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You are extremely right .... Egyptian armed forces have cruise missiles capabilities from 80s of the last century with a range of 2000+ KM .... by modifying the SCARAB stealth drone ... which is now locally produced in Egypt.

Read the below interesting source.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...tealth-recon-drone-called-scarab-in-the-1980s

Some feasible, near term modifications to convert a Scarab into an LACM include:
• Deletion of reconnaissance payload
• Deletion of UAV recovery system
• Replacing the existing guidance and control subsystem with an integrated inertial guidance/GPS subsystem
• Addition of an explosive warhead or Chem/Bio payload and dispenser.
And, if greater terminal precision is required:
• Addition if an accurate terminal guidance system (some type of terrain/target matching system based on available radar or electro-optic sensor)

There are a number of additional design modifications that a country could make to the Scarab UAV to increase its performance (range and payload) capabilities for the land-attack role. They include:
• Increasing the fuselage length to accommodate a larger payload
• Increasing the fuselage/tankage lengths to accommodate a greater fuel loading
• Replacing the existing Teledyne CAE 373-8C turbojet engine with a more fuel efficient low- altitude sustainer engine
• Reduce the vehicle’s RCS in the land-attack role by shaping critical surfaces or adding
radar absorbing materials (RAM)
• Employing a TERCOM type terminal guidance system


In the face of the rising threat posed by the proliferation of cruise missiles, conversion of the Teledyne Ryan Model 324 Scarab UAV to an offensive weapon has been considered. A study from the NDIA (National Defense Industrial Association) recognizes the role Land-Attack Cruise Missiles (LACM) developed by Third World countries will play in conjunction with other new weapons, for regional force projection. "LACMs are an 'emerging' threat with immediate and dire implications for U.S. freedom of action in many regions. The asymmetrical development of Third World threats favors indirect engagement and unconventional warfare. Unconventional cruise missile acquisition and design methods considered in the study support such asymmetrical threat development as a means Third World countries can significantly reduce the development time, cost, and risk."

For this study it was assumed that the LACM midcourse and terminal guidance system has the same weight and volume as the existing UAV guidance and control system. In addition, it was assumed that deletion of the reconnaissance payload and recovery system provided sufficient space for a small conventional payload. The Scarab UAV modified to a land-attack cruise missile (Option #1) could deliver a 200 kg conventional payload to a maximum range of 2,250 km flying the high altitude UAV flight profile. Flying a low altitude profile (less than 500 m altitude instead of 13,000 m) enables a range capability of approximately 1,800 km. Part of this performance loss (typically 15-20%) can be regained by reducing the wing size and shape and other changes to make the vehicle more efficient for low altitude operation.

If a larger payload is desired, the vehicle’s fuselage and tankage could be modified to accommodated a larger payload. This would result in a loss in fuel loading to maintain the same overall vehicle envelope. Option #2 incorporates the same Scarab-LACM conversion changes identified for Option #1, but further modifies the vehicle to accommodate a 500 kg conventional payload. The change results in a 237 kg loss in loaded fuel. The Option #2 Scarab-LACM is capable of delivering the 500 kg conventional payload to a maximum range of either 810 km or 650 km flying the high or low altitude flight profiles, respectively. Some of the range losses can be regained if selected aerodynamic changes are also made.

The modified Scarab-LACM range performance can be varied without altering the vehicle’s overall external geometry. The missile’s airframe/tankage can be revised to accommodate less fuel to increase volume for payload. As shown, a 300 kg increase in payload weight (200 to 500 kg) requires a 227 kg (206 versus 443 kg) reduction in loaded fuel weight. The HE payload is assumed to have a density ~ 30% greater that the JP-4 fuel (JP-4 weighs 0.78 kg/liter). By varying the payload weight and corresponding fuel loading, the Scarab-LACM can achieve a factor of three in range performance without changing the vehicle’s external geometry.

 

[Amun]

Isn't that the money you made from buying Isis oil.

All of your information about the Egyptian airforce is false Egypt does operate heavy lifting aircraft and also operate EC-130H so please read before you write. Egypt f16 are far from obsolete and even without the f16 the Egyptian airforce will devour the Turkish airforce.
S400 is vulnerable due to the weakness of the other systems in your air defence. Again having one capable system in limited number doesn't make your air defence network unbeatable it just makes those systems high priority.

Those guys are brain washed against Egypt by their dictator propaganda ..... they have no idea about EAF capabilities , be it EW , heavy lifting , AWACS or fighters .

Some feasible, near term modifications to convert a Scarab into an LACM include:
• Deletion of reconnaissance payload
• Deletion of UAV recovery system
• Replacing the existing guidance and control subsystem with an integrated inertial guidance/GPS subsystem
• Addition of an explosive warhead or Chem/Bio payload and dispenser.
And, if greater terminal precision is required:
• Addition if an accurate terminal guidance system (some type of terrain/target matching system based on available radar or electro-optic sensor)

There are a number of additional design modifications that a country could make to the Scarab UAV to increase its performance (range and payload) capabilities for the land-attack role. They include:
• Increasing the fuselage length to accommodate a larger payload
• Increasing the fuselage/tankage lengths to accommodate a greater fuel loading
• Replacing the existing Teledyne CAE 373-8C turbojet engine with a more fuel efficient low- altitude sustainer engine
• Reduce the vehicle’s RCS in the land-attack role by shaping critical surfaces or adding
radar absorbing materials (RAM)
• Employing a TERCOM type terminal guidance system


In the face of the rising threat posed by the proliferation of cruise missiles, conversion of the Teledyne Ryan Model 324 Scarab UAV to an offensive weapon has been considered. A study from the NDIA (National Defense Industrial Association) recognizes the role Land-Attack Cruise Missiles (LACM) developed by Third World countries will play in conjunction with other new weapons, for regional force projection. "LACMs are an 'emerging' threat with immediate and dire implications for U.S. freedom of action in many regions. The asymmetrical development of Third World threats favors indirect engagement and unconventional warfare. Unconventional cruise missile acquisition and design methods considered in the study support such asymmetrical threat development as a means Third World countries can significantly reduce the development time, cost, and risk."

For this study it was assumed that the LACM midcourse and terminal guidance system has the same weight and volume as the existing UAV guidance and control system. In addition, it was assumed that deletion of the reconnaissance payload and recovery system provided sufficient space for a small conventional payload. The Scarab UAV modified to a land-attack cruise missile (Option #1) could deliver a 200 kg conventional payload to a maximum range of 2,250 km flying the high altitude UAV flight profile. Flying a low altitude profile (less than 500 m altitude instead of 13,000 m) enables a range capability of approximately 1,800 km. Part of this performance loss (typically 15-20%) can be regained by reducing the wing size and shape and other changes to make the vehicle more efficient for low altitude operation.

If a larger payload is desired, the vehicle’s fuselage and tankage could be modified to accommodated a larger payload. This would result in a loss in fuel loading to maintain the same overall vehicle envelope. Option #2 incorporates the same Scarab-LACM conversion changes identified for Option #1, but further modifies the vehicle to accommodate a 500 kg conventional payload. The change results in a 237 kg loss in loaded fuel. The Option #2 Scarab-LACM is capable of delivering the 500 kg conventional payload to a maximum range of either 810 km or 650 km flying the high or low altitude flight profiles, respectively. Some of the range losses can be regained if selected aerodynamic changes are also made.

The modified Scarab-LACM range performance can be varied without altering the vehicle’s overall external geometry. The missile’s airframe/tankage can be revised to accommodate less fuel to increase volume for payload. As shown, a 300 kg increase in payload weight (200 to 500 kg) requires a 227 kg (206 versus 443 kg) reduction in loaded fuel weight. The HE payload is assumed to have a density ~ 30% greater that the JP-4 fuel (JP-4 weighs 0.78 kg/liter). By varying the payload weight and corresponding fuel loading, the Scarab-LACM can achieve a factor of three in range performance without changing the vehicle’s external geometry.

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