Egypt signs $2 billion deal for 50 MiG-35 fighter jets from Russia

[The SC]

Perhaps money is poured in by foreign powers so Egypt is able to stock pile sufficient spares of different origins. As per my humble opinion do same spares can be used for Mig 21s and F7s,

Both Mig 21s and F7s were retired a while ago.. you need to update yourself before commenting..

Egypt is doing very well economically..here you can update your information:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/egyp...ment-projects-news-and-updates.517072/page-49

 

[Keysersoze]

Perhaps money is poured in by foreign powers so Egypt is able to stock pile sufficient spares of different origins. As per my humble opinion do same spares can be used for Mig 21s and F7s,

What you are saying may be true. However here are a few factors that are never accounted for by "Experts" like SC.

The Munitions for multiple types is going to be different. Western aircraft and Eastern aircraft are rarely compatible. So for example if an airbase stocked with muntions for say a Russian fighter is no longer viable, and they are forced to land at another airfield where they stock Western munitions and part then the airforce has the additional problem of supplying the new airfield as well. (You don't keep stocks for every plane at every airfield.( As the saying goes Amateurs talk tactics professionals talk logistics as per Omar Bradley or "The third cause, the distance from the source from which the incessantly diminishing combatant force is to be just as incessantly filled up, increases with the advance. A conquering army is like the light of a lamp in this respect; the more the oil which feeds it sinks in the reservoir and recedes from the focus of light, the smaller the light becomes, until at length it is quite extinguished. " Von Clausewitz)


Pilot training for type of aircraft. To keep a plane in the air you need a supply of pilots (2.5 per plane) More types requires more training and conversion from platform to platform. plus familiarity with platforms requires more time on a type to become proficient. Also command and control between different systems plays a part.

Spare parts now the cost will go up as well. Even with Arab money buying part is more complex, Engines from France/Russia/USA avionics for all the different parts.

I could go into more details but I hope you get the gist.

Losing what?
You seem hurt by the shear power of the Egyptian armed forces.. and trying to justify your pain.. it is too obvious..

What are you 5 years old? Go beat the Israelis....Just once...Then come back and boast about how "Powerful" you are.....

 

[joker88]

What you are saying may be true. However here are a few factors that are never accounted for by "Experts" like SC.

The Munitions for multiple types is going to be different. Western aircraft and Eastern aircraft are rarely compatible. So for example if an airbase stocked with muntions for say a Russian fighter is no longer viable, and they are forced to land at another airfield where they stock Western munitions and part then the airforce has the additional problem of supplying the new airfield as well. (You don't keep stocks for every plane at every airfield.( As the saying goes Amateurs talk tactics professionals talk logistics as per Omar Bradley or "The third cause, the distance from the source from which the incessantly diminishing combatant force is to be just as incessantly filled up, increases with the advance. A conquering army is like the light of a lamp in this respect; the more the oil which feeds it sinks in the reservoir and recedes from the focus of light, the smaller the light becomes, until at length it is quite extinguished. " Von Clausewitz)


Pilot training for type of aircraft. To keep a plane in the air you need a supply of pilots (2.5 per plane) More types requires more training and conversion from platform to platform. plus familiarity with platforms requires more time on a type to become proficient. Also command and control between different systems plays a part.

Spare parts now the cost will go up as well. Even with Arab money buying part is more complex, Engines from France/Russia/USA avionics for all the different parts.

I could go into more details but I hope you get the gist.

What are you 5 years old? Go beat the Israelis....Just once...Then come back and boast about how "Powerful" you are.....

When ignorance controls a person, this is the result. If you want to know, speak politely first. We have an air college to train pilots on all the fighters that are in the service and the Hill as well, but the specialization for a certain type is what is in the rules
As for the issue of air bases, there are eastern and western together, even ammunition and technical support crews Don't talk trivial things like a 3-year-old child coming to life from the first line

ذهب واهزم الإسرائيليين ... مرة واحدة فقط ... ثم عد وتفاخر بمدى "قوتك" ....

As for the issue of Israel, you can ask them yourself what happened, or it is better to make your country take care of them and let us see the result. Whatever your country is, it is a failure to produce people like you.

 

[Keysersoze]

When ignorance controls a person, this is the result. If you want to know, speak politely first. We have an air college to train pilots on all the fighters that are in the service and the Hill as well, but the specialization for a certain type is what is in the rules
As for the issue of air bases, there are eastern and western together, even ammunition and technical support crews Don't talk trivial things like a 3-year-old child coming to life from the first line

As for the issue of Israel, you can ask them yourself what happened, or it is better to make your country take care of them and let us see the result. Whatever your country is, it is a failure to produce people like you.

So no answers to the point then? Wow no wonder you guys keep losing....

 

[joker88]

So no answers to the point then? Wow no wonder you guys keep losing....

So no answers to the point then? Wow no wonder you guys keep losing....

Is it like Libya or eastern Mediterranean gas? If you are following the current situation, it is better that you mention the failure to me

 

[CHI RULES]

Both Mig 21s and F7s were retired a while ago.. you need to update yourself before commenting..

Egypt is doing very well economically..here you can update your information:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/egyp...ment-projects-news-and-updates.517072/page-49

Egypt is being directly helped out by KSA-West, you cannot deny this fact. After Mursi Western world/KSA have joined hands with SiSi. On other hand same is position for Greece.
Due to shortage of time sharing one article for backing my views.
Saudi Arabia Comes to the Rescue of the Egyptian Economy

Backing Egypt's generals, Saudi Arabia promises to fill ...

On topic it is and shall certainly be a great challenge for Egypt to keep jets of different origins operational in long run. Facts show that
Keysersoze views have some validity.

( I know dear that Mig 21 and F7 are no more in Egyptian use)

 

[The SC]

Egypt is being directly helped out by KSA-West, you cannot deny this fact. After Mursi Western world/KSA have joined hands with SiSi. On other hand same is position for Greece.
Due to shortage of time sharing one article for backing my views.
Saudi Arabia Comes to the Rescue of the Egyptian Economy

Backing Egypt's generals, Saudi Arabia promises to fill ...

On topic it is and shall certainly be a great challenge for Egypt to keep jets of different origins operational in long run. Facts show that
Keysersoze views have some validity.

( I know dear that Mig 21 and F7 are no more in Egyptian use)

Suffice to say that maintenance is computerized now a day..
And yes, KSA, UAE, and Kuwait loaned Egypt some money.. not a gift.. but loans to help the economy..

 

[PDF]

Egypt does not have Mig -35 and neither is it in pipeline. @The Eagle please lock the thread.

 

[The SC]

Egypt does not have Mig -35 and neither is it in pipeline. @The Eagle please lock the thread.

MiG-35 is a new export variant that combines the modern systems of the MiG-29M2 with an AESA radar. The fighter plane has the thrust vectoring of the MiG-29OVT as an additional option. Improved avionics and weapon systems, notably the new AESA radar and the uniquely designed optical locator system (OLS), make the aircraft less dependent on ground-controlled interception (GCI) systems and enables the MiG-35 to conduct independent multirole missions.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig35/

The AESA radar was announced to be ready a few weeks ago.. maybe now we can name the Egyptian Mig-29M-M2 advanced.. as Mig-35..