Egypt mulls JF-17 co-production

[Beast]

any news yet

CHINA TO EXPORT HONGDU L15 SUPERSONIC TRAINER TO AN UNNAMED AFRICAN CUSTOMER | Beegeagle's Blog

Hongdu Aviation Industry Group chief economist of First Financial on April 25,
Yang Liping said that listed companies
Hongdu Aviation Falcon L15 advanced trainer aircraft is to deliver 12 units of the supersonic advanced trainer/light attack jet to the Latin American and African market, which is the first time
that the model will be exported to foreign markets.

Hongdu Aviation is an enterprise specialized in producing domestic coach aircraft and general aviation aircraft; Previously, the company’s main product was the intermediate trainer K8 aircraft which now accounts for more than 75% of similar aircraft market share.

According to First Financial, L15 aircraft both in unit price or profit margin, compared to the K8 aircraft is expected to be much higher.

 

[Hyperion]

Whats the total number of F16's in EAF? And which block?

This baffles me, as you guys have no restrictions buying F16's or any other arms from the US, and even that with soft-loans etc. Then why JF17? I mean it's a potent fighter almost as good as F16's, however, what's the reason? Are you guys restricted from using the full F16 package, and does it come with strings attached that you are making this move?

 

[Beast]

Whats the total number of F16's in EAF? And which block?

This baffles me, as you guys have no restrictions buying F16's or any other arms from the US, and even that with soft-loans etc. Then why JF17? I mean it's a potent fighter almost as good as F16's, however, what's the reason? Are you guys restricted from using the full F16 package, and does it come with strings attached that you are making this move?

If I am not wrong EAF F-16 does not comes with BVRAAM. AIM-120 is not deliever to them.

 

[Hyperion]

No wonder, it all makes sense now. Basically they have vipers without fangs. I love the Americans, the are so mischievous!

If I am not wrong EAF F-16 does not comes with BVRAAM. AIM-120 is not deliever to them.

 

[Beast]

No wonder, it all makes sense now. Basically they have vipers without fangs. I love the Americans, the are so mischievous!

In fact, American assure the Israel of their sales to EAF..

Royal Saudi Airforce F-15 has totally no air to ground abilities. The AIM-120 stockpile is with American hands and will release to them only in case of Iran attacking her or other emergency other than Israel attacking her. That is why Saudi are getting Typhoon.

 

[Hyperion]

@Mosmania, any truth to it? If yes, then S/F15 force can be effectively written off.

In fact, American assure the Israel of their sales to EAF..

Royal Saudi Airforce F-15 has totally no air to ground abilities. The AIM-120 stockpile is with American hands and will release to them only in case of Iran attacking her or other emergency other than Israel attacking her. That is why Saudi are getting Typhoon.

 

[Beast]

@Mosmania, any truth to it? If yes, then S/F15 force can be effectively written off.

Saudi is the only US supported/allies country who do not recognise Israel as a state. What do you think? Israel did raise concern about sales of F-15 to Saudi but American assure Israel. How do they assure? I think you all know..

 

[S.Y.A]

No wonder, it all makes sense now. Basically they have vipers without fangs. I love the Americans, the are so mischievous!

they did the same to us in 80's remember?no air to ground capability at that time in F16

 

[Sinnerman108]

Saudi is the only US supported/allies country who do not recognise Israel as a state. What do you think? Israel did raise concern about sales of F-15 to Saudi but American assure Israel. How do they assure? I think you all know..

Pakistan is another, and displays more animosity than any middle eastern countries.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Very true. All we need is to get organized, plan, work the plan, and work together. I don't see any reason we can't make our own arms. If they can do it, we can do it too. It is a shame that you see countries developing fighters together, and we are waiting for them to finish so we can buy it, we can work together too, we are not stupid.

Don't know how that will happen.

Maybe if it was a Egypt + Jordan thing, it would work out very very well !

4 countries, China, Pakistan, Egypt and Jordan putting their combined weight together will sure make waves.

For any military exercise, invite Pakistan and your neighbor will throw a fit !

They are already planning to do away with Ikhwan, lets watch closely what happens.
I have always believed and still know that egypt holds the key to all our problems.

 

[Mosamania]

@Mosmania, any truth to it? If yes, then S/F15 force can be effectively written off.

No that is not true, the F-15S is the Royal Saudi Airforce Mainstay air to ground fighter of which trainings on it is done constantly abroad and in country in both Air to ground and Air to Air.

The AMRAAMs are in the hands of the RSAF there is no such thing as in American Hands, in fact in a recent deal we will add our own electronics and subsystems in the AMRAAM missile itself. Mr.Beast here is saying things that are completely off.

In fact everyday I see F-15Cs flying off from Taif airbase armed to the teeth with AMRAAMs in training and patrol flights.

 

[Arabian Legend]

In fact, American assure the Israel of their sales to EAF..

Royal Saudi Airforce F-15 has totally no air to ground abilities. The AIM-120 stockpile is with American hands and will release to them only in case of Iran attacking her or other emergency other than Israel attacking her. That is why Saudi are getting Typhoon.

Saudi is the only US supported/allies country who do not recognise Israel as a state. What do you think? Israel did raise concern about sales of F-15 to Saudi but American assure Israel. How do they assure? I think you all know..

stupid post.

 

[MadDog]

Pakistan should recognize Israel, would boost our defence industry considerably.

 

[Chrome9]

No that is not true, the F-15S is the Royal Saudi Airforce Mainstay air to ground fighter of which trainings on it is done constantly abroad and in country in both Air to ground and Air to Air.

The AMRAAMs are in the hands of the RSAF there is no such thing as in American Hands, in fact in a recent deal we will add our own electronics and subsystems in the AMRAAM missile itself. Mr.Beast here is saying things that are completely off.

In fact everyday I see F-15Cs flying off from Taif airbase armed to the teeth with AMRAAMs in training and patrol flights.

Are you sure? from what I remember the original F-15S were downgraded and that was one of the primary reasons the RSAF opted for typhoons : Paint Scheme: The most apparent difference between the S and E models is their paint scheme. The E model has a one tone gunship grey color, while the S model uses a two-tone 'Mod Eagle' paint scheme.

Engines: The F-15S is equipped with Pratt&Whitney F100-PW-229 engines, the stronger one from the two P&W engine models used in the Strike Eagles.

Its radar, the APG-70S is based on the APG-70 radar of the Strike Eagle, but with its main features significantly downgraded. Radar bandwidth is 60% of the 'original' and only 16 channels are available instead of 32. Although the APG-70S has SAR capabilities, the ground mapping resolution is severely limited: the minimal size of the HRM the radar is able to generate is 4,7 nm, compared to the 0,67 nm of the APG-70.

Navigation and Targeting Pods: LANTIRN pods are also degraded. Instead os using the 'standard' AAQ-13 navigation pod and AAQ-14 targeting pod, Saudi Arabia received 48 pairs of AAQ-19 'Pathfinder' navigation pods and AAQ-20 'Sharpshooter' targeting pods (use their original designation number and add 6 to them). The navigation pod is downgraded in its ECM modes (it works reasonably well against potential russian-made Iraqi and Iranian threats, but performs poorly against US aircraft) and it has no ECCM mode. The AAQ-20 targeting pod has basically the same features as the AAQ-14, with the exception of being incompatible with AGM-65's hands-off modes and lacking some of the A/A features of the LANTIRN targeting pod.

Avionics: The S model's autopilot lacks the terrain following capability which is present in the E model. Its navigation system is a laser ring gyro INS coupled with a commercial-grade GPS system - although it works well, it is definitely not as precise as military-grade systems.

Weapons: The United States took great care in the area of weapons. The F-15S cannot employ the wide range of weapons the Strike Eagle can: AGM-65D/G Maverick missiles, CBU-87 cluster bombs, GBU-10, GBU-15 and GBU-24 smart bombs belong to the inventory of the Saudi version. Understandably, the F-15S does not have the wiring to be able to employ nuclear weapons. BRU-46/A and BRU-47/A weapon racks were initially lacking from F-15S delivered to Saudi Arabia, but this restriction was cleared later and 'normal' CFT's were delivered between 1998 and 2000.

Don't get me wrong they are still formidable aircraft and for most advesaries should be enough - however the USA still finds a way to protect Israel's interests and will never supply Gulf states equipment that will jeopardize it's Jewish ally.

 

[Viper0011.]

No that is not true, the F-15S is the Royal Saudi Airforce Mainstay air to ground fighter of which trainings on it is done constantly abroad and in country in both Air to ground and Air to Air.

The AMRAAMs are in the hands of the RSAF there is no such thing as in American Hands, in fact in a recent deal we will add our own electronics and subsystems in the AMRAAM missile itself. Mr.Beast here is saying things that are completely off.

In fact everyday I see F-15Cs flying off from Taif airbase armed to the teeth with AMRAAMs in training and patrol flights.

The hardware given to KSA is pretty much subject to approval from Tel Aviv. Second, the aircraft itself, avionics and armament are downgraded and inferior to that of the USAF or IAF's similar air crafts. If you remember, the KSA AWACS didn't get upgrades for over a decade because the Israelis were objecting to providing AESA tech and other upgrades to KSA AWACS........so in a way, yes, these toys are for everyone minus the US and Israel.