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[illusion8]

MB is opportunist, and its a good thing in politics. You try to assimilate such people to mainstream not push them away. Given a few years, they would have compromised. By throwing them out, you will just give rise to frustrated hard core islamist entities.

I guess the opportunity is lost now.

 

[anonymus]

MB is opportunist, and its a good thing in politics. You try to assimilate such people to mainstream not push them away. Given a few years, they would have compromised. By throwing them out, you will just give rise to frustrated hard core islamist entities.

Not the case when they develop Iron grip on power like in case of Iran............

 

[livingdead]

Not the case when they develop Iron grip on power like in case of Iran............

iran case is different and not easily replicated in today's world. They have 10% plus copts and sizable young secular middleclass, and a overall neutral army, they would have gone turkey way.

 

[iranigirl2]

sorry but you/iranians are interfering officially in egyptian matter since day one, so a pakistani member is discussing about iranian intrusion in matters related to egypt, syria

there is no point in bringing pakistan here

Don't tell me your another conspiracy loon, do you think the Coup in Egypt was a SHIA/JEW/ZIONIST/ZOROASTRIAN plan?

Facts:
Iranians are not interfering In Egypt or Egyptians affair.
The only countries interfering are America, and Qatar.

And this guy Ammad Malik is another conspiracy loon, the other day in one of his comments he was saying Shias want to kill all Sunnis!


My response to this is:

Sunnis are doing a great job at killing each other, Shias don't even have to lift a finger, we'll just watch from far away........ and Pakistan is a great example of this.

 

[darkinsky]

LOL, Iranians are not interfering In Egypt or Egyptians affair.


The only countries interfering are America, and Qatar.

And this guy Ammad Malik is a conspiracy loon, the other day in one of his comments he was saying Shias want to kill all Sunnis!

My response to this is ,

Sunnis are doing a great job at killing each other, Shias don't even have to lift a finger, we'll just watch from far away........ and Pakistan is a great example of this.

iran is not physically interfering but politically yes, as it is interfering in syrian matters and all over middle east

its iranian vs arab matter but it doesnt in any way relate to pakistan

if he talks about iranian matter than its justified because its an iranian vs arab thing

but if you talk about pakistan then its not even minutely related

its like if you start talking about kurd vs turk thing in the middle of discussion which doesnt make any bit of sense

and you dont need to lift a finger because your daddy is armed with 200 something nukes

 

[illusion8]

iran case is different and not easily replicated in today's world. They have 10% plus copts and sizable young secular middleclass, and a overall neutral army, they would have gone turkey way.

who? the Muslim brotherhood? they probably would have gone the Islamist way.

 

[iranigirl2]

Iranian influence in Egypt is just above 0.

No , no

You got it all wrong, the coup was a Zionist/Dajjal/SHIA/JEW/American plan, which Iran and Israel secretly organized and executed together today.


Our plan is to infiltrate Egypt and turn all the Sunnis into fire worshippers.

We are also responsible for all the soccer riots in Egypt, along with Mossad's infiltration!!!!!


Please don't tell anyone about this secret plan.

Your secret Rafida agent.

Iranigirl2

Egyptian TV Host Insinuates that the Port Said Soccer Riots Were Instigated by Iran - YouTube

 

[Zarvan]

Egypt was the centerpiece of the Islamist movement's vault to power in the Arab world's sweeping wave of uprisings. Winning election after election here, the Islamists vowed to prove they could govern effectively and implement their vision of political Islam, all while embracing the rules of democracy.

Mohamed Morsi was their pillar: the veteran of the Muslim Brotherhood, the region's oldest and most prestigious political Islamist group, who became Egypt's first freely elected president.

That is what makes his ouster after barely a year in office, with a gigantic cross-section of Egypt's population demanding he go, such a devastating blow to Islamists on multiple levels, not only in Egypt but across a tumultuous region.

Morsi, his Brotherhood and their harder-line allies say they played by the rules of democracy, only to be forced out by opponents who could not play it as well as them at the ballot box and so turned to the military for help. The lesson that the Islamists' extreme fringe may draw:

Democracy, which many of them viewed as "kufr'' or heresy to begin with, is rigged and violence is the only way to bring their dream of an Islamic state.

But to the millions of Egyptians who marched in the street against Morsi, the Islamists failed at democracy: They overreached.

The protesters became convinced the Islamists were using wins at the polls to centralize power in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood far beyond their mandate and treat the country as if it accepted the "Islamist project.'' Even worse, for many of the protesters, the Islamists simply were not fixing Egypt's multiple and worsening woes.

That is a serious setback for their dreams, calling into doubt the argument by Islamists across the region that political Islam is the remedy to their society's ills. The damage to their prestige echoes widely, from Gaza where the Hamas rulers who saw in Morsi a strong ally, to Tunisia where a Brotherhood branch holds power, to Libya and Syria where Islamists push for power.

"The Brotherhood in Egypt is now a cautionary tale,'' said Michael W. Hanna of the Century Foundation in New York. "Morsi's abysmal performance during their short tenure is a tale of how not to guide and rule.''

The irony is, the Brotherhood knew the risks going in. After the 2011 fall of autocrat Hosni Mubarak, the group vowed not to try to dominate parliament and not to run a candidate for president, knowing the backlash if it seemed to be grabbing power or if it led a government that failed to fix a broken Egypt. It went back on each of those promises, every time saying its hand was forced into doing so.

Morsi himself recognized the power of the street as he vowed to be a president for all the people. The day before his formal inauguration on June 30, 2012, he first delivered a symbolic oath of office in Cairo's Tahrir Square, the epicenter of the revolt that overthrew his autocratic predecessor.

"You are the source of power and legitimacy,'' he told the crowd. Nothing stands above "the will of the people. The nation is the source of all power. It grants and withdraws power.''

In the broad range of the political Islam movement – from moderates to militants – the Brotherhood eventually emerged as the central force arguing that Islamists can be democrats. Their influence drew in harder-line groups to participate at the ballot box. Ultraconservatives who once refused elections that could potentially bring any law but God's law took their chance at the polls.

In an impassioned Facebook post just before the army pushed Morsi out Wednesday, one of his top advisers Essam el-Haddad argued that what was happening was irrevocably damaging democracy itself, saying the Brotherhood had been unfairly treated. He insisted history would show the Brotherhood tried to include others in its administration but was shunned.

"Increasingly, the so-called liberals of Egypt escalated a rhetoric inviting the military to become the custodians of government in Egypt,'' he wrote. "The opposition has steadfastly declined every option that entails a return to the ballot box.''

But amid multiple complaints, opponents point to a key factor that turned many against the Brotherhood: the post-Mubarak constitution. Morsi had vowed a consensus on the landmark document, but Islamists dominated the panel writing it. Liberals, leftists, secular politicians and Christians steadily dropped out, complaining Morsi's allies were forcing their vision. In the end, Morsi unilaterally decreed himself and the assembly untouchable by the courts to ensure judges did not dissolve the panel, while Islamists hastily finished writing the charter in an all-night marathon session.

It was rushed to a referendum, where it passed with a hearty 63 per cent of the vote – but only just over 32 per cent of the electorate casting ballots.

Meanwhile, Brotherhood members and other Islamists were steadily were given more posts across the government, fueling a perception that they were taking over institutions – though they constantly faced resistance on many fronts from the entrenched bureaucracy. Islamist rhetoric from officials and clerics on TV rang in the ears of many as divisive and harsh.

Morsi's ouster could now send the Brotherhood into disarray for years to come, just as a major crackdown on the group did in 1954. Morsi and many of his advisers have been put under house arrest, and he could face trial for escaping prison during the 2011 uprising. Two top leaders of the group, including the head of its political party Saad el-Katatni, were arrested and at least 30 more were expected to meet the same fate.

The danger now could be that a heavy crackdown will turn into forcibly excluding them from politics once more. The Brotherhood was banned for much of its 83-year existence. But it still maintains a powerful, organized and disciplined network of members nationwide.

"The forceful removal of the nation's first democratically-elected civilian president risks sending a message to Islamists that they have no place in the political order; sowing fears among them that they will suffer yet another bloody crackdown; and thus potentially prompting violent, even desperate resistance by Morsi's followers,'' the Brussels based International Crisis group warned in a statement.


Mohamed Morsi's fall a blow to Islamists - Indian Express


Does this Bode well for the attempt of bringing the Taliban into the Afghan Government? Islamists and democracy don't go hand in hand - I guess.
@muse, @Secur, @FaujHistorian, @Bang Galore, @Zarvan.

again a piece off **** by Indian member more I was not being allowed to rule properly from day one and he can't solve mess off :40 years in only one year and Islam is the solution and will remain solo secular scums off west are only busy in eating **** off their daddy USA and also games its USA and Israel who are stopping them check the facts before posting **** and brotherhood would be back soon and secular traitors would be taken out and made part off history @muse

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are very angry

 

[illusion8]

again a piece off **** by Indian member more I was not being allowed to rule properly from day one and he can't solve mess off :40 years in only one year and Islam is the solution and will remain solo secular scums off west are only busy in eating **** off their daddy USA and also games its USA and Israel who are stopping them check the facts before posting **** and brotherhood would be back soon and secular traitors would be taken out and made part off history @muse

I can understand your frustration.

 

[Luffy 500]

SO what do people expect? A miraculous turn around of post-mubark Egypt that has been ruled by seculars for the past 100 years. "islamist" as the westerners and seculars put it has been in power for about a year via a system championed by these same westerners and seculars. Compared this to dictatorial secular rule of 100 years of dirt poor egypt. Having the suez canal, pyramids and plenty of gas and its still dirt poor after 100 years of western backed secular dictatorial rule. Funny how Indians and westerners are rambling on about incompetency.

MB should have stayed out for this exact reason. They should have allowed seculars to clean up the mess of 100 years of dictatorial rule.

If the german army would have deposed Hitler in 1934 after he was democratically elected in 1933 we would all have been much better off today.

Look at this guy. He comes up with hitler and nazi germany. How is morsi hitler and MB nazis? If he is hitler then what was mubarak , saddat and Attaturk?

 

[monitor]

 

[Zarvan]

I can understand your frustration.

its not frustration its fact brotherhood his been killed and persecuted for pat 60 years still they re their and will remain their forever Indians are happy that their master USA won this game but they would fail soon and brotherhood along with salafists would be back laugh as much as you can you will soon cry the day your country was born

 

[Luffy 500]

who? the Muslim brotherhood? they probably would have gone the Islamist way.

What is this Islamist way? And how is that U came to the conclusion that its something bad.
Would it have Fked up egypt more than it already was?

 

[Developereo]

Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are very angry

Correction: supporters of democracy are angry.

Hypocrites are defending this military coup, which comes as no surprise to many of us.