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December 30, 2009: Indonesia has been buying Chinese C802A anti-ship missiles. The C802A is a 6.8m (21 foot) long, 360mm, 682kg (1,500 pound) missile, with a 165kg (360 pound) warhead. The C802 has a max range of 120 kilometers, and moves along at about 250 meters a second. The French Exocet missile is the same size and performance, but costs twice as much (over a million dollars each, but the manufacturer is known to be flexible on pricing.) The Indonesians see the Chinese missiles as a much better deal, especially since Indonesia is not looking to start a war anytime soon. So why pay premium prices for a premium, battle proven, Exocet.

Thailand also went with the C802 when it recently refurbished its 053H class frigates (bought from China in the 1990s), and added the C802 anti-ship missiles to replace the older, and bulkier, SY-1s.

The Exocet has been around for over three decades, has been proven in combat and is known to be reliable. The C802 is known to be less capable than the Exocet, but it looks similar. For a navy that never expects to get into a serious war, that, and a much lower price, is enough to get the sale.
 
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December 30, 2009: Indonesia has been buying Chinese C802A anti-ship missiles. The C802A is a 6.8m (21 foot) long, 360mm, 682kg (1,500 pound) missile, with a 165kg (360 pound) warhead. The C802 has a max range of 120 kilometers, and moves along at about 250 meters a second. The French Exocet missile is the same size and performance, but costs twice as much (over a million dollars each, but the manufacturer is known to be flexible on pricing.) The Indonesians see the Chinese missiles as a much better deal, especially since Indonesia is not looking to start a war anytime soon. So why pay premium prices for a premium, battle proven, Exocet.

Thailand also went with the C802 when it recently refurbished its 053H class frigates (bought from China in the 1990s), and added the C802 anti-ship missiles to replace the older, and bulkier, SY-1s.

The Exocet has been around for over three decades, has been proven in combat and is known to be reliable. The C802 is known to be less capable than the Exocet, but it looks similar. For a navy that never expects to get into a serious war, that, and a much lower price, is enough to get the sale.

C802 is not less capable than the Exocet. The C802 has the same range and speed, and lower flight altitude. It has been tested very well on precision and reliability. It is not wise to buy something no better but cost much more. The Indonesian navy made a good choice.
 
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December 30, 2009: Indonesia has been buying Chinese C802A anti-ship missiles. The C802A is a 6.8m (21 foot) long, 360mm, 682kg (1,500 pound) missile, with a 165kg (360 pound) warhead. The C802 has a max range of 120 kilometers, and moves along at about 250 meters a second. The French Exocet missile is the same size and performance, but costs twice as much (over a million dollars each, but the manufacturer is known to be flexible on pricing.) The Indonesians see the Chinese missiles as a much better deal, especially since Indonesia is not looking to start a war anytime soon. So why pay premium prices for a premium, battle proven, Exocet.

Thailand also went with the C802 when it recently refurbished its 053H class frigates (bought from China in the 1990s), and added the C802 anti-ship missiles to replace the older, and bulkier, SY-1s.

The Exocet has been around for over three decades, has been proven in combat and is known to be reliable. The C802 is known to be less capable than the Exocet, but it looks similar. For a navy that never expects to get into a serious war, that, and a much lower price, is enough to get the sale.

INS Hanit? It was pretty badly injured by the C-802 missile
 
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C802 is not less capable than the Exocet. The C802 has the same range and speed, and lower flight altitude. It has been tested very well on precision and reliability. It is not wise to buy something no better but cost much more. The Indonesian navy made a good choice.

but a supersonic missile is bound to fly high and also exocet is low flying subsonic missile
 
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I posted the following two entries in my blog and of course SP.com re-word it and claim as it own.



China Defense Blog: Indonesia to equip navy with Chinese-made missiles

Wednesday, December 23, 2009
Indonesia to equip navy with Chinese-made missiles
This is not news per se, as two sets of YJ-82 (C-802) were installed on two Indonesian PB-57 patrol boat back in March 2008 in a 11 USD million deal. According to the Indonesian navy, the cost of the C-802 is less than half of the French MM40 Exocet Block II.

RI warships to be equipped with Chinese-made missiles

ANTARA News: RI warships to be equipped with Chinese-made missiles

Monday, December 21, 2009 18:45 WIB | National | | Viewed 618 time(s)
Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The Indonesian Navy`s warships will be equipped with missiles made in China, Navy Chief of Staff Admiral Agus Suhartono said here on Monday.

"We will continue to procure C-802 missiles from China after we tested the weapon with good results,` he said adding that the Indonesian Navy was also negotiating with China to obtain C-705 missiles that were more slender in shape.

"Both types of missile will be added to the armament of of the navy`s fast patrol boats and Van Speijk warships," Agus said.

He said the navy would increase the combat capabilities of its Van Speijk and fast patrol boats by integrating their armament systems with weaponry from China.

"We are still unable to make missiles domestically. But fortunately, state shipbuilding firm PT PAL already has the technology to integrate weapon systems imported from abroad with those already in place on our warships," he said.

The navy chief admitted with limited budget for his department, his officials would continue making a priority scale on the procurement of weaponry system.

"Our main priority now is security in sea border areas and the outer islands of Indonesia," he said adding that the navy would also replace some 27 of its warships with newer types and better combat capabilities.

Agus Suhartono had previously said Indonesia`s western waters were prone to various maritime crimes such as smuggling, human trafficking and poaching.

"The sea crimes are not the only problems we have in the western waters. In these areas we also have border problems with India, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia," the navy chief said.

He said that in order to maintain security in the area, the navy conducted routine patrols in the Indonesian western waters. It had maintained a joint patrols with its counterparts from India, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia.

As a result, the maritime crime rate in the western waters had dropped , particularly in the Malacca Strait. (*)

COPYRIGHT © 2009


Indonesia to equip navy with Chinese-made missiles
16:40, December 22, 2009

Indonesia to equip navy with Chinese-made missiles - People's Daily Online
Indonesia is going to equip its own navy's warships with missiles made in China so as to upgrade combat capabilities, Agus Suhartono, Indonesian Navy Chief of Staff Admiral said Monday.

"We will continue to procure C-802 missiles from China after we test the weapon with good results,” he said adding that the Indonesian Navy was also negotiating with China to obtain C-705 missiles that were more slender in shape.

"Both types of missile will be added to the armament of the navy’s fast patrol boats and Van Speijk warships," Agus said.

"We are still unable to make missiles domestically. But fortunately, state shipbuilding firm PT PAL already has the technology to integrate weapon systems imported from abroad with those already in place on our warships," he said.

Indonesian navy will continue making it a priority to procure weaponry systems, despite the limited military budget.

"Our main priority now is security in sea border areas and the outer islands of Indonesia," Agus said. "Crimes at Sea are not the only problems we have in the western waters. In these areas we also have border disputes with India, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia."

By People's Daily Online

C-802 equipped PB-57
 
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w.r.t the Thailand C-802 upgrade




China Defense Blog: YJ-82 (C-802) SSM upgrade for the Royal Thai Navy.


Tuesday, December 22, 2009
YJ-82 (C-802) SSM upgrade for the Royal Thai Navy.
Four modified Jianghui III class FFG were sold to the Royal Thailand Navy during the 1990s at a "friendship price". However, those four FFGs have to be refitted in Thailand before joining the fleet because of the poor construction quality.

The decision to upgrade the Jianghui class by the Thai navy after almost 20 years of service suggests that the initial quality issue has long been corrected. After the Jianghui III purchase, the Thai navy also ordered two Naresuan class (Type 25T) FFG and two Pattani class OPV.








HTMS Kraburi prior to the C-802 upgrade
 
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but a supersonic missile is bound to fly high and also exocet is low flying subsonic missile

No my friend, the C802 flies lower than the exocet, at barely 3 meters over sea surface. The exocet sometimes jumps to 10~20 meters.

Also, neither C802 or the exocet are supersonic. They both fly at around 0.9 mach. The two are in the same class, but the C802 simply cost less. The French are always overpriced...
 
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No my friend, the C802 flies lower than the exocet, at barely 3 meters over sea surface. The exocet sometimes jumps to 10~20 meters.

Also, neither C802 or the exocet are supersonic. They both fly at around 0.9 mach. The two are in the same class, but the C802 simply cost less. The French are always overpriced...

Thanks a lot......now i stand corrected
 
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