Eastern Anatolian Conflicts 1800's - 1920 | News & Discussions

[shazlion]

 

[BordoEnes]

You are Right! But he has a point. It's all political and economic motivated.

We should stop using genozid term Inflationary!!!

Its always has been this way. Whenever you hear to word "genocide" fall in the international community, you know that its going to be milked out and money is gonne be thrown on the table. Even till this day Germany still pays compensation because every now and then people pop up claiming they suffered.

 

[TheGrim]

"Armenia is isolated, alone" On that I can agree ich sollte mein Deutsch mehr uben...recommendations?

 

[mujhaidind]

Pope when are you going to speak about Goa inquistion led by that monster Xavier for killed millions of Hindus and Muslims for refusing to convert.

 

[East or West India Best]

My favourite pope was Alexander VI

 

[madmusti]

Best solution is, bring that issue to an international court (ICJ) and let them decide.

Turkey is ready for a solution like that but Armenia isn´t it.

So everyone should ask himself why the Armenians don´t agree with something like that ?

 

[Bismarck]

Turkey is ready for a solution like that but Armenia isn´t it.

So everyone should ask himself why the Armenians don´t agree with something like that ?

However, should Turkey go to ICJ, to force a decision once and for all. Simple as that.

 

[Hyperion]

Genocide my arse. Solomon up to his usual crap.

 

[ANMDT]

he is just a president of a small country for me, hence when he talked about this alleged issues just to gain attraction of a community.

He doesnt state other real genocides as a genocide but just as "slaughter" , but when it comes to armenian "claimed" genocide, wow he declares as a real genocide. Eventhough its not clarified yet.

Lets come to see if ottoman ever applied systematic killing on armenians ,since this what means a genocide.

The fact is known clearly , ottoman havent subjected armenians to a slaughter, by killing them in a systematic way from babies to elders ,there wasnt a weapon used against " innocent " people to kill them. Who is killed during that time was armenian gangs, which is provocated againts ottoman during WWI by catolic sources to clarify an armenian republic on east turkey. While Ottoman didnt kill armenian public intentionally, their -europe- supported gang held massacres in villages of the east provinces in turkey , this is also in papers and a fact. While its a war crime to kill babies/mothers who is inable to fight,it was armenian gangs did it,not ottoman.

2nd- the losses from armenian side occured during displacement , it may seem like ottoman has mistakes during this to not care of armenians during displacing, but look at the point why they are displaced? Because of they were getting provocated and joining to gangs, then attacking to turkish villages and apply a systematic murders in the east region.

3rd- during displacement, ottoman had a large budget to supply security and supply armenians to establish life in the place they arrived, also replaced their estates in the place they arrived, since this is registered and files kept, armenians cant claim their real estate rights back.

4th - Armenian sources claim turkey to not accept peace,or negotiation,but it was armenia who didnt sign treaty.

5th- Later armenia is also held a slaughter, even genocide in Hocalı, i am curious whether the beloved papa of the christians will remember them and make a mass? Will religion become a matter for a such " objective" religious leader. We all know he will act like a politician,yet this is how he acts now ,by ignoring hocalı or other muslim genocides, or the massacres armenians held in azerbaijan,or in east turkey during WWI.

These are the face, we dont claim none of armenian died, there were losses in respectable amount ,but it wasnt due to systematic kill intentionally by ottoman, it was due to natural outer effects during displacement, yet displacement isnt a crime in the case armenian gangs begin to massacre people ( they even couldnt fight against the army,could kill innocent people).

So see the fact horse head sighted morrons not the fact told by armenians,who really did a genocide ,and killed thousands of people in azerbaijan 20 years ago. Also see other genocides in the world, in north africa, in whole africa, in asia, which applied by your christian oriented imperialist countries .

also the title of topic is wrong, a slaughter is intentionally killing mass amount of people, while there wasnt such thing happened

 

[Azeri440]

he is just a president of a small country for me, hence when he talked about this alleged issues just to gain attraction of a community.

He doesnt state other real genocides as a genocide but just as "slaughter" , but when it comes to armenian "claimed" genocide, wow he declares as a real genocide. Eventhough its not clarified yet.

Lets come to see if ottoman ever applied systematic killing on armenians ,since this what means a genocide.

The fact is known clearly , ottoman havent subjected armenians to a slaughter, by killing them in a systematic way from babies to elders ,there wasnt a weapon used against " innocent " people to kill them. Who is killed during that time was armenian gangs, which is provocated againts ottoman during WWI by catolic sources to clarify an armenian republic on east turkey. While Ottoman didnt kill armenian public intentionally, their -europe- supported gang held massacres in villages of the east provinces in turkey , this is also in papers and a fact. While its a war crime to kill babies/mothers who is inable to fight,it was armenian gangs did it,not ottoman.

2nd- the losses from armenian side occured during displacement , it may seem like ottoman has mistakes during this to not care of armenians during displacing, but look at the point why they are displaced? Because of they were getting provocated and joining to gangs, then attacking to turkish villages and apply a systematic murders in the east region.

3rd- during displacement, ottoman had a large budget to supply security and supply armenians to establish life in the place they arrived, also replaced their estates in the place they arrived, since this is registered and files kept, armenians cant claim their real estate rights back.

4th - Armenian sources claim turkey to not accept peace,or negotiation,but it was armenia who didnt sign treaty.

5th- Later armenia is also held a slaughter, even genocide in Hocalı, i am curious whether the beloved papa of the christians will remember them and make a mass? Will religion become a matter for a such " objective" religious leader. We all know he will act like a politician,yet this is how he acts now ,by ignoring hocalı or other muslim genocides, or the massacres armenians held in azerbaijan,or in east turkey during WWI.

These are the face, we dont claim none of armenian died, there were losses in respectable amount ,but it wasnt due to systematic kill intentionally by ottoman, it was due to natural outer effects during displacement, yet displacement isnt a crime in the case armenian gangs begin to massacre people ( they even couldnt fight against the army,could kill innocent people).

So see the fact horse head sighted morrons not the fact told by armenians,who really did a genocide ,and killed thousands of people in azerbaijan 20 years ago. Also see other genocides in the world, in north africa, in whole africa, in asia, which applied by your christian oriented imperialist countries .

also the title of topic is wrong, a slaughter is intentionally killing mass amount of people, while there wasnt such thing happened

Armenians always like to act as victims, they even portray Azerbaijan as an aggressor in our conflict.

 

[xenon54 out]

(Of course, the Jews didn't revolt against the Nazis the way the Armenians supposedly did against the Turks - not until the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, years after the death camps were already in operation.)

This alone says enough about your bias, entire Muslim population of Van got massacred by Armenian armed gangs, it was ''cleaned'' from Muslims as they called it, just to meantion one exsample.

Even decuments from Russian Archives refute those claims.

The 65-page report was written by Russian Brigadier General Leonid Bolkhovinitov, who was stationed in the Caucasus front, and dispatched to the Russian military headquarters on December 11, 1915 and titled "The Real Situation".

Bolkhovinitov says in his report that "Armenian voluntary units had started violent slaughters against the Muslim people with racist motives", and that Armenian reports given to the Russians did not reflect the actual situation in the region.

The Russian official states in his report that "We shall not believe in the death tolls that the Armenians give. The number of dead has been constantly exaggerated in the memos distributed by the Dashnak party and there is no doubt that they are politically-motivated".

The documents are in the link.
(cant post the link, its posting gory pictures automatically, google Brigadier General Leonid Bolkhovinitov, a live leak link.)

This is exactly the reason Armenians refuted a comission that would open up Archives in Turkey, Armenia and Russia and do a reasearch on the events, Turkey accepted every conclusion that such a independent commision with Turkish, Armenian, Russian and European historians would come to but Armenia refuted it, now ask yourself why.

At the end of the day you must calculate the reactions when you revolt against a state thats being attacked from all sides and struggling for its survival, moral has not much space in it when the said state already lost 1/3 of its population against the superpowers of that time and being threatened to be partitioned among the Imperialist powers.
We are ready to face our history but not in this one sided way where massacred muslim population is being left out completely.

BTW: the numbers are also highly exaggerated as mentioned in the documents above.

 

[TurAr]

No need to waste time by writing paragraphs after paragraphs to this bunch. Just slap dem bitches back to their senses with this speech of Erdogan back in 2006, like he did to the Armenians in that room:

He certainly is not the most loved and popular leader out there but this speech of his was precisely on point. Gotta give him that.

 

[Hakan]

The Pope? How many divisions has he got?
Joseph Stalin

 

[MarkusS]

The way some talk about the holy father here is respectless and one has to wonder how the very same persons would react if they religion is insulted like that.

He made a valid point and the EU parliament agrees with that. Deal with it. One has to wonder where this resiliance against this comes from. Turkey is absolutly unsucessful to convince anyone that this was not a genocide. Entire EU agrees with pope and so does USA. This meal is eaten. Its laughable to believe that this will go away.

 

[TurAr]

The way some talk about the holy father here is respectless and one has to wonder how the very same persons would react if they religion is insulted like that.

Maybe your holy father shouldn't have poked his nose into dirt like that. He could have paid his respects to those who lost their lives at the time without blaming other nations with being genocidal.

We have offered to form a mutual commission consisting of historians, archaeologists, political scientists and lawyers to decide whether it was a genocide or not, as you can see from the video I shared in my previous post. We did not invite your father however. He should continue to do what he is good at: