Earthquake Funds---F16 Money---Where Did They Go

[Crixus]

Whom you consider more reliable French or US , when they first arms embargo on Pakistan in 1971
Thats the reason I asked @MastanKhan about Mirage 2000 , you cant give to the future of your fighting arms in the hands of an unreliable partner

We also having F104,F86 and other as well

 

[MastanKhan]

Whom you consider more reliable French or US , when they first arms embargo on Pakistan in 1971
Thats the reason I asked @MastanKhan about Mirage 2000 , you cant give to the future of your fighting arms in the hands of an unreliable partner

Hi,

French are more reliable---.

With the US---you have to play them right---. You cannot stop pushing the americans----if you don't ask---they will never assume that you DON'T need it---. Their principal is---if you wanted it bad---you would fight for it---.

They don't mind being strong armed by allies---it is their " giant syndrome " in them that makes them do that---. Push hard---push back---with respect and with a smile on your face and never in anger---and they will let you steal their house from under them.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

French are more reliable---.

With the US---you have to play them right---. You cannot stop pushing the americans----if you don't ask---they will never assume that you need it---. Their principal is---if you wanted it bad---you would fight for it---.

They don't mind being strong armed by allies---it is their " giant syndrome " in them that makes them do that---. Push hard---push back---with respect and with a smile on your face and never in anger---.

In the case of the Mirage 2000-5 program, they were not very reliable to PAF....mind you PAF was one of the slated launch customers for the jet.

 

[MastanKhan]

In the case of the Mirage 2000-5 program, they were not very reliable to PAF....mind you PAF was one of the slated launch customers for the jet.

Hi,

The Hawkeye was also not reliable to the Paf---amongst many other things---.

The F7PG's were below average to the Paf till the chinese pushed them harder---.

Today---we have a JF17---which is pretty much equal to the Mirage F1 but with modern EW and weapons---.

Otherwise if you look up the specs---the F1 is pretty much the JF17---.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

See---as the discussion progresses---different versions of truth comes out---.

Here is the bottom line---at Kargil---the Paf did not show up because its aircraft could not fly---but in 2001 after 9/11 when the market opened up---there was no urgency to fill in that numerical and qualitative gap---.

So---was the Paf really disabled due to sanctions---if it was---then what happened when no order was placed for 3 1/2 years---.

A deal should have been done and finalized within a year---based on a simple principal---if we don't spend it here at our earliest---there will other problems crop up elsewhere that would need the funds---.

It all falls back on the Paf Air Marshalls---they were the ones who acted treasonous---acted against the interests of he security of the state---when they did not procure the reqd aircraft on urgent basis---.

Again---here it is---one day---you cannot confront the enemy---you are hiding from the enemy because your aircraft either cannot fly---or unable to compete---.

Then the next day---you suddenly get this opportunity sent from heavens that you can get whatever you want---and you refuse to for 3 1/2---.

So---who is the traitor over here---.

You know---this strutting around in their Gsuits---and posturing with their arms on their hips---and Raybans shades on their eyes---acting like movie stars---can only take you only so far---.

The truth comes out when you are a NO SHOW or do not have the courage to pull the trigger ( in case of the SU30 incursion ) because you did not avail the time to buy the right aircraft in the timely manner---.



Hi,

Future jobs in the USA or other general dynamics programs---green cards for the family---.

The M2K did not provide all that---.

The strutting around in G-suits and Raybans are part of the job description. Posturing their arms on their hips gives out the impression that you wanted to be there somehow (or not, or did not make it...once again could be wrong) but there is a slight bitterness that has been built on the supposed decisions of others to which you find an opportunity to blame the right (or wrong) people.

No jobs were given at GD. As most were technicians and most ended up moving to RBAF F-16s. None of the pilots got anything done with GD, most were sent to combat right away after the aircraft entered service.

Green cards cannot be given to serving PAF personnel.

Sidenote : Be harsh with others, expect answers in a befitting manner.

Hi,

The Hawkeye was also not reliable to the Paf---amongst many other things---.

The F7PG's were below average to the Paf till the chinese pushed them harder---.

Today---we have a JF17---which is pretty much equal to the Mirage F1 but with modern EW and weapons---.

Otherwise if you look up the specs---the F1 is pretty much the JF17---.

Incorrect about the JF-17 as equal as the Mirage F1. The F-7PGs were evaluated and found feasible for the F-6 replacement.

The JF-17 performance specs may be like the Mirage F1, but the Mirage F1 cannot fight like the JF-17.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

I think u know what happened with the guy who conducted trails . Chinese were giving him "Gifts" which he refused on their face.and he got his punishment for that.

True heard about that.

What do u suggest?
Mpdrs can't survive for another 40 years?
Not even next 10 years !
We have Tps43j models relatively new so our HLR fleet is ok for next 15 20 years but sensors of GMCC's need an immediate overall.

He is an honest AD GC so he will remain a GC with dignity. He never let people like Nawaz win so he deserves additional TI(M) to the one he got for the Bison interception.

MPDR is 10 year obsolete, so is TPS. They had Inayat Shah put in new radix and display but the rest of the system needs change, either complete upgrade to make it last 10 years or not. Currently, they are trying to upgrade TPS with some fraud company from USA, S cube, or C Cube something, which again is Aman and his cronies hanky panky and not done on merit. They need immediately to buy new LL and New HL to not get behind, replace DR, C6, C2, and even S77.

GMCCs are all on MAN trucks from Crystal CRCs, so they all need to go. Very soon PAF AD will be in tatters, and they have a DCAS AD who is not from AD branch.

 

[Tps43]

He is an honest AD GC so he will remain a GC with dignity. He never let people like Nawaz win so he deserves additional TI(M) to the one he got for the Bison interception.

Sir tbh I wasn't expecting u to know much about him , I thought u don't know much about AD guys.

MPDR is 10 year obsolete, so is TPS. They had Inayat Shah put in new radix and display but the rest of the system needs change, either complete upgrade to make it last 10 years or not. Currently, they are trying to upgrade TPS with some fraud company from USA, S cube, or C Cube something, which again is Aman and his cronies hanky panky and not done on merit. They need immediately to buy new LL and New HL to not get behind, replace DR, C6, C2, and even S77.

Agreed , and how sad it is.
s77 are new tho s43 need to go away soon.

GMCCs are all on MAN trucks from Crystal CRCs, so they all need to go. Very soon PAF AD will be in tatters, and they have a DCAS AD who is not from AD branch.

Sir xx1 mcc now has IVECO truck what I saw last time.
What do u expect sir , just couple of years ago some sector commanders and SASO were not from AD branch maybe after 25 30 years DCAS AD will be from AD branch just like from 75 till 03 all AOC's were used to be from GD(P).

 

[HRK]

in 2001 after 9/11 when the market opened up---there was no urgency to fill in that numerical and qualitative gap---.

Mastan Shaib I already replied you about this misunderstanding/misinterpretation of yours about the events of that time plz read again here

 

[randomradio]

YourAir force has more experience with French planes , and you choose F-16 instead of mirage 2000 ....... I am still not sure why PAF choose F-16 instead of Mirage 2000 after Mirage 2000 , Rafael will be the most logical step to follow

PAF tried to get their hands on the M-2000 many times since the 90s and failed.

They even attempted to buy 12 jets from Qatar, even India was party to the deal, but failed after Qatar demanded too much.

Even if PAF got some M-2000s, India would have bought the M-2000 anyway. At the time Pakistan was more friendly with the West than India was, but they failed to leverage that advantage in any real way.

 

[MastanKhan]

Incorrect about the JF-17 as equal as the Mirage F1. The F-7PGs were evaluated and found feasible for the F-6 replacement.

The JF-17 performance specs may be like the Mirage F1, but the Mirage F1 cannot fight like the JF-17.

Hi,

Claims have been made for the F7PG's to be taking on the F16's at times---.

Mirage F1 indeed cannot fight like the current JF17 being 40 years old.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Sir tbh I wasn't expecting u to know much about him , I thought u don't know much about AD guys.

Agreed , and how sad it is.
s77 are new tho s43 need to go away soon.

Sir xx1 mcc now has IVECO truck what I saw last time.
What do u expect sir , just couple of years ago some sector commanders and SASO were not from AD branch maybe after 25 30 years DCAS AD will be from AD branch just like from 75 till 03 all AOC's were used to be from GD(P).

Don't be surprised, but some here claim that I dont know anything.

Hi,

Claims have been made for the F7PG's to be taking on the F16's at times---.

Mirage F1 indeed cannot fight like the current JF17 being 40 years old.

Indeed PG takes on the F16, since there are no G limiters. F6 used to do that very easily. F16 is a good aircraft, but it is not invincible. It is the pilot in the seat and not the aircraft.

PAF tried to get their hands on the M-2000 many times since the 90s and failed.

They even attempted to buy 12 jets from Qatar, even India was party to the deal, but failed after Qatar demanded too much.

Even if PAF got some M-2000s, India would have bought the M-2000 anyway. At the time Pakistan was more friendly with the West than India was, but they failed to leverage that advantage in any real way.

You have a very capable M2000 after the upgrade that Pakistan had designed for JF17. You can jam every light bulb in Pakistan with it, but maybe it is not enough.

Hi,

See---as the discussion progresses---different versions of truth comes out---.

Here is the bottom line---at Kargil---the Paf did not show up because its aircraft could not fly---but in 2001 after 9/11 when the market opened up---there was no urgency to fill in that numerical and qualitative gap---.

So---was the Paf really disabled due to sanctions---if it was---then what happened when no order was placed for 3 1/2 years---.

A deal should have been done and finalized within a year---based on a simple principal---if we don't spend it here at our earliest---there will other problems crop up elsewhere that would need the funds---.

It all falls back on the Paf Air Marshalls---they were the ones who acted treasonous---acted against the interests of he security of the state---when they did not procure the reqd aircraft on urgent basis---.

Again---here it is---one day---you cannot confront the enemy---you are hiding from the enemy because your aircraft either cannot fly---or unable to compete---.

Then the next day---you suddenly get this opportunity sent from heavens that you can get whatever you want---and you refuse to for 3 1/2---.

So---who is the traitor over here---.

You know---this strutting around in their Gsuits---and posturing with their arms on their hips---and Raybans shades on their eyes---acting like movie stars---can only take you only so far---.

The truth comes out when you are a NO SHOW or do not have the courage to pull the trigger ( in case of the SU30 incursion ) because you did not avail the time to buy the right aircraft in the timely manner---.



Hi,

Future jobs in the USA or other general dynamics programs---green cards for the family---.

The M2K did not provide all that---.

Oye larkay, who wronged you, i want to know. why were you grounded?

 

[JohnWick]

YourAir force has more experience with French planes , and you choose F-16 instead of mirage 2000 ....... I am still not sure why PAF choose F-16 instead of Mirage 2000 after Mirage 2000 , Rafael will be the most logical step to follow

Damn Damn Damn...Seriously! you say it!
F-16 is far beter than mirage 2000 and in service with NATO middle east Asia and Africa.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Damn Damn Damn...Seriously! you say it!
F-16 is far beter than mirage 2000 and in service with NATO middle east Asia and Africa.

F16 and M2K are two different aircraft for two different purposes, and saying one is better over the other is like saying pineapple is better than mango.

 

[Riz]

Every one need to be washed in same judiciary machine... No one is angel either you are politician, civilian or General

 

[Sine Nomine]

Very soon PAF AD will be in tatters, and they have a DCAS AD who is not from AD branch.

Sir,jee na darao