Earthquake Funds---F16 Money---Where Did They Go

[war&peace]

actually before the withdrawal of USSR from Afghanistan which occurred during the period of 1988-1989 while Pressler amendments were passed in the year 1985

Thanks for the correction sir. And this means that PAF got warning earlier than I thought and thus they had a longer time to change their policies accordingly.

 

[HRK]

the ACM had no right to donate the fighter aircraft money to earthquake relief---.

Mastan Shaib i many times before told you it was not the decision of ACM it was Pervaiz Mushraf who within few hours of the earthquake announced the diversion of funds towards rehabilitation of affected areas, till that time no funds for F-16 was released by finance ministry to PAF

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

If i am not wrong....
https://www.linktronic.com

Its a long story.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Its a long story.

Every story is long when men in uniform are left as orphans by Govt and their is not enough money around.

 

[TsAr]

The impression that we get from this thread is that the Air Chief on his own decided to donate the F-16 Funds to earthquake relief, which I believe is not possible.
Secondly my question to everyone contributing to this thread, when the country was hit with a catastrophic earthquake and billions were required for relief and rehabilitation (which the country did not have) and we were requesting funds and aid from abroad, would it have made sense that the country was spending on fighters planes while country was suffering?

 

[Tps43]

Chile

Lets see sir I know about trails from three countries 1 of them got rejected don't know what's latest.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Lets see sir I know about trails from three countries 1 of them got rejected don't know what's latest.

When Nawaza was ACAS RE he tried his best to get Chinese rdr but it failed trials. Then Aman used his Mama/Cousin to become rep of Thales rep and try to buy GM200 while all Trac3Ds of Spadas are in a bunch of manure. and Ofcourse the traditional EADS now Hensoldt would try and then the South Africans would also try, and PAF themselves would have tried to get the TPS77LLR from USA, but nobody in PAF, and nobody on PAF, would spend 15-17 million USD for a ground sensor, since PADS-77 replacement is 50 sensors. The generic sensor development efforts continue but they will not succeed either as they fail to fund the project appropriately and trying to make radar without a far field antenna range. Rest, many are claiming to make radar but only making noise and wasting time.

Every story is long when men in uniform are left as orphans by Govt and their is not enough money around.

I have no idea what you mean, but you must be right.

 

[war&peace]

Mastan Shaib i many times before told you it was not the decision of ACM it was Pervaiz Mushraf who within few hours of the earthquake announced the diversion of funds towards rehabilitation of affected areas, till that time no funds for F-16 was released by finance ministry to PAF

So basically Musharraf imposed his decision on the ACM and him own it?

 

[Tps43]

When Nawaza was ACAS RE he tried his best to get Chinese rdr but it failed trials.

I think u know what happened with the guy who conducted trails . Chinese were giving him "Gifts" which he refused on their face.and he got his punishment for that.

Aman used his Mama/Cousin to become rep of Thales rep and try to buy GM200 while all Trac3Ds of Spadas are in a bunch of manure.

True heard about that.

Ofcourse the traditional EADS now Hensoldt would try and then the South Africans would also try, and PAF themselves would have tried to get the TPS77LLR from USA, but nobody in PAF, and nobody on PAF, would spend 15-17 million USD for a ground sensor, since PADS-77 replacement is 50 sensors. The generic sensor development efforts continue but they will not succeed either as they fail to fund the project appropriately and trying to make radar without a far field antenna range. Rest, many are claiming to make radar but only making noise and wasting time.

What do u suggest?
Mpdrs can't survive for another 40 years?
Not even next 10 years !
We have Tps43j models relatively new so our HLR fleet is ok for next 15 20 years but sensors of GMCC's need an immediate overall.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

I remember friends were crying, devastated. They literally gave all they could afford. It would be really sad if they spent the cash on F16's

 

[HRK]

So basically Musharraf imposed his decision on the ACM and him own it?

yaap ..... some of his decisions were good like purchase of Chinese AWAC but some were bad decision like this one ..... now we could debate about his tenure, policies and decisions as much we want but at the end of the day he was a Dictator

 

[Sine Nomine]

I have no idea what you mean, but you must be right.

Sir,i was saying that politicians have no interest in defence of state,i haven't seen even one in 20 years,and without patronage of politicians who are core of political will,Armed Forces are just orphans.They don't have political will behind any mission.
MK is right but not quite right,without money PAF isn't able to do anything,their dishonesty and incompetence is nothing when there aren't funds.
Whatever Pakistan gets,if it isn't in significant number,we can't do anything.PAF is just sticking with F-16's to save cost of infra required for new fighters,and we don't have money even to get few sq's.

I think u know what happened with the guy who conducted trails . Chinese were giving him "Gifts" which he refused on their face.and he got his punishment for that.

Who was that brave soul?

 

[Tps43]

Who was that brave soul?

From AD branch he retired as group captain .
Professionally he was really good guy.

 

[My-Analogous]

YourAir force has more experience with French planes , and you choose F-16 instead of mirage 2000 ....... I am still not sure why PAF choose F-16 instead of Mirage 2000 after Mirage 2000 , Rafael will be the most logical step to follow

We also having F104,F86 and other as well

 

[MastanKhan]

Mastan Shaib i many times before told you it was not the decision of ACM it was Pervaiz Mushraf who within few hours of the earthquake announced the diversion of funds towards rehabilitation of affected areas, till that time no funds for F-16 was released by finance ministry to PAF

Hi,

See---as the discussion progresses---different versions of truth comes out---.

Here is the bottom line---at Kargil---the Paf did not show up because its aircraft could not fly---but in 2001 after 9/11 when the market opened up---there was no urgency to fill in that numerical and qualitative gap---.

So---was the Paf really disabled due to sanctions---if it was---then what happened when no order was placed for 3 1/2 years---.

A deal should have been done and finalized within a year---based on a simple principal---if we don't spend it here at our earliest---there will other problems crop up elsewhere that would need the funds---.

It all falls back on the Paf Air Marshalls---they were the ones who acted treasonous---acted against the interests of he security of the state---when they did not procure the reqd aircraft on urgent basis---.

Again---here it is---one day---you cannot confront the enemy---you are hiding from the enemy because your aircraft either cannot fly---or unable to compete---.

Then the next day---you suddenly get this opportunity sent from heavens that you can get whatever you want---and you refuse to for 3 1/2---.

So---who is the traitor over here---.

You know---this strutting around in their Gsuits---and posturing with their arms on their hips---and Raybans shades on their eyes---acting like movie stars---can only take you only so far---.

The truth comes out when you are a NO SHOW or do not have the courage to pull the trigger ( in case of the SU30 incursion ) because you did not avail the time to buy the right aircraft in the timely manner---.

YourAir force has more experience with French planes , and you choose F-16 instead of mirage 2000 ....... I am still not sure why PAF choose F-16 instead of Mirage 2000 after Mirage 2000 , Rafael will be the most logical step to follow

Hi,

Future jobs in the USA or other general dynamics programs---green cards for the family---.

The M2K did not provide all that---.