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There is no reason to support Saudis.

If we follow your line-of-thinking, are all Pakistanis not to be helped/supported, and should be hated for the criminal actions of "their" government? Most governments in the Muslim world are lacking. The government in Pakistan only managed to come into power with American support, clearing all their murder and corruption cases(the Saudi leadership aren't known for murdering, biggest complain other Muslims have is that they've got decadent lifestyles). Before American assistance, the current leadership could not even come to Pakistan for years(their crimes would have landed them in jail, straight from the airport). America backed terrible governments and dictators like Mubarak for 40 years, and now that they were old and change was coming, they're installing new governments through this "Arab spring".

If anything, the Saudi government has demonstrated better leadership than the Pakistani government. Yes, their history is tainted with western backing/support(just like ours), but that does not condemn all future generations of Saudis. They had leaders like King Faisal, do you even know how he stood up for Islam and sacrificed his life in the process? That video(in the link above) contains the speech of his which many believe got him killed. If we don't know much, we should refrain from spouting our ignorance

It is only our lack-of-knowledge and petty bickering that makes us clash with our own. Even in the Geo-TV videos on the previous pages, the PAF officials at the Dubai airshow were deeply touched at the way our Arab bretherin own up to the JF17, what is our success is their success. This is the one modern combat aircraft on the market, which they can trust not to be compromised against Israel.

I hope the ISI higher-ups realize this threat btw - we don't even share a border with Israel and still they come after us every chance they get(Kahuta attacks, giving India chemical warfare weaponry at Kargil, funding/aiding current militancy under US umbrella), Israel is very far-sighted in identifying and neutralizing threats. Given how hard they have worked to prevent the Arab countries from getting real BVR teeth to threaten Israel, the SD-10A/B and it's internals would be of great interest to the Israelis. They wouldn't be able to rest until they're satisfied that their EW/ECM packages can deter any threat from SD-10A/B, this is the only real BVR threat they're likely to come across. America already tampers with IFF systems so they can't target Israelis(Turkey), Europe/NATO bends backwards to accomodate Israel, billions of $$$ worth of weapons and submarines for free. All Israel has to do is ask, and the weapons they supply to Israel's adversaries stop being capable of threatening Israel in any way.
 
There is no reason to support Saudis.

In fact most of the Muslim countries are going through a post colonial period which itself is a legacy of colonial regeims and most of them are not free in true sense. Just hope that one day true representatives of Muslims would govern them.
 
Who can find thunder in this pic in two seconds ?:yahoo:

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a very satisfied Air Chief :)

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4th AC from bottom

ELECTRAAAAAAAAAAA....!!! :laugh: Great bro.

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Then lets stop the tirades and the poking at them. Those poor Saudis came here excited and expectant of a warm welcome instead we only ridiculed and in result alienated them. They have, after all, stood by us for a very long time through thick and thin. On top of that those guys here themselves are very reasonable and respectable. They deserve it.

I normally stay out of such things but we've been excessively unjust towards them.

Sorry for going off topic but someone had to say something.
Sir!..I highly appreciate ure comments. We need to appreciate whatever the goodwill or cooporation they provide us in time of need . We are also looking for a suitable time to repay them back with thanx when they are need of our help...:smokin:
 

Few more additions to this info
1- There is no difference between the SD-10 and PL-12 as broader word, LEOC itself considered PL-12 designation to be speculative and inaccurate and preferrs it to be referred solely as SD-10 sighting no difference in capability so as to product for domestic or export market.
2- SD-10 is a dual seeker missile capable of both passive and active homing. The passive seeker can detect a target in 200KM range while active seeker is said to have a range of 20KM
3- SD-10A is not the baseline version of BVR missile but an improved version over orignal SD-10. According to LOEC, the range of SD-10A is "greater" than baseline SD-10 (that is 70KM).
4- The kinetic performance of SD-10A is thought to be atleast at par or exceeding that of AIM-120 C series
 
Mann I really dislike this Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar. Some of the comments he makes about the JF17 end up embarrassing this aircraft internationally rather than helping it.

For example, the way he worded his statements about the JF17's affordability in that reuters interview(which Express Tribune, and all the other media sources copied from), talking about how this is so cheap you can buy three for the price of one F-16. Reading Alert5 comments after this, people were ridiculing Mukhtar's comments.. like "Lockheed: Well you can shoot down five JF17s on one F16". All the indo media jumped all over Mukhtar's statement, the western media took his poorly worded statement to portray that the JF17 was really a bottom-barrel cheap performance aircraft as well. Even the Chinese official(and they don't even operate this aircraft yet) giving the presentation in @houshanghai's videos above emphasizes that this is an ADVANCED lightweight aircraft, not some cheap toy that costs less and underwhelms.

Also, his statement about the Pakistan Aeronautics Complex being unable to meet PAF's requirements was very very retarded. That implies this aircraft isn't up-to-par to our requirements, though what he meant to say was the PAC wasn't producing JF17s fast enough to fulfill our own orders. He should have worded this better.

I especially liked the way the Air Chief presented JF17's case - he mentioned that this was an ADVANCED lightweight, and also that it costs three times less than other aircraft that offer similar capabilities.

There is a big difference. Simply presenting the JF17 as some ultra-cheap aircraft makes it the butt of jokes, because people who don't know it's capabilities naturally assume we're emphasizing the cheap price because this is aircraft performs poorly.

On a kinder note, the anecdote that the Minister mentioned about the Chinese Premier was very touching - that when the Defence Minister visited China, he was told by the staff that the Chinese Premier Hu Jintao was in tears overcome with emotion on a recent to Pakistan, when he saw outside his aircraft's window and saw JF17s providing escort. But this makes me appreciate the Chinese Premier, not the Defence Minister though. This guy needs to get his foot out of his mouth.
 
Pics from the airshow

gulfnews : Dubai Airshow 2011 in pictures

Khaleej Times: Photo Gallery - general

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Nov 17, 2011

Cash boost for Dubai World Central aviation plan

A Dh1 billion (US$272.3 million) investment has been secured for Dubai World Central, the "aerotropolis" taking shape on the edge of Dubai.

The cash will pay for the first phase of development of the aviation district, designed to attract international businesses in aeronautical services and light manufacturing.

It will also pay for the relocation of the Dubai Airshow 2013 to the district from the existing site at Dubai International Airport. The move to a bigger site is likely to add thrust to the show's growing international profile.

"Dubai World Central is an integral component of the strategic vision of Dubai Government to establish the emirate as an international aviation hub and a gateway to global markets," said Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum, the chairman of Dubai Aviation City Corporation, the company in charge of developing the $33 billion Dubai World Central.

"The aviation district has been holistically conceived to capitalise on the dynamic aviation industry of the UAE and the region," he said.

The aviation district, covering more than 6.8 square kilometres, will provide"land-side and air-side facilities" and will help to leverage the capacity of the new Al Maktoum International Airport, the company said. Officials hope the district will be able to capitalise on the strong growth in aviation in the region, the Indian subcontinent and China.

Close links to the nearby Jebel Ali Free Zone would help to cut "inter-modal" transport times.

The announcement comes as Dubai hopes gradually to shift aviation operations across the city from the existing site, Dubai International Airport in Deira.

Air traffic congestion and limited space on the ground for the aviation support industry restricts growth at the Deira site.

Al Maktoum airport entered service last year with the inauguration of cargo flights.

This will be followed by business aviation, and commercial passenger flights are scheduled to begin next year.

A passenger terminal will be opened at Dubai World Central by 2020 to handle 80 million passengers a year. "As evidenced by the recent investments being made in the aviation sector within the region, including Emirates Airline's purchase of 50 new aircraft during the Dubai Airshow, Dubai World Central is strategically positioned to service and cater to the needs of the region's rapidly expanding aviation sector," said Khalifa Al Zaffin, the executive chairman of Dubai Aviation City.

A heliport, an executive-jet terminal, covered aircraft parking stands, and areas for aircraft maintenance and repairs, and for operational and aeronautical support services will be provided in the aviation district. The venue of Dubai Airshow 2013 will encompass a larger area than the current facility, offering greater exhibition space and room for additional aircraft.

Dubai International has been the venue of the biennial event since 1989.

It has gradually established itself alongside the air shows of Paris and Farnborough in the UK as a venue for striking commercial, business and defence aviation deals.

The Dubai World Central development is intended to establish Dubai as one of the world's most important centres of trade, logistics and commerce.

In addition to five runways, terminals and warehouses, Dubai World Central's plans include residential and office space, manufacturing zones and golf courses.

Cash boost for Dubai World Central aviation plan - The National
 
Today JF-17 will appear at 1450 local time. 1550 PST. Too bad I'll miss it.Going for surgery.
Crap. Someone better make a video and send me :angry:

Self made video is better than professional.
 
Mann I really dislike this Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar. Some of the comments he makes about the JF17 end up embarrassing this aircraft internationally rather than helping it.

For example, the way he worded his statements about the JF17's affordability in that reuters interview(which Express Tribune, and all the other media sources copied from), talking about how this is so cheap you can buy three for the price of one F-16. Reading Alert5 comments after this, people were ridiculing Mukhtar's comments.. like "Lockheed: Well you can shoot down five JF17s on one F16". All the indo media jumped all over Mukhtar's statement, the western media took his poorly worded statement to portray that the JF17 was really a bottom-barrel cheap performance aircraft as well. Even the Chinese official(and they don't even operate this aircraft yet) giving the presentation in @houshanghai's videos above emphasizes that this is an ADVANCED lightweight aircraft, not some cheap toy that costs less and underwhelms.

Also, his statement about the Pakistan Aeronautics Complex being unable to meet PAF's requirements was very very retarded. That implies this aircraft isn't up-to-par to our requirements, though what he meant to say was the PAC wasn't producing JF17s fast enough to fulfill our own orders. He should have worded this better.

I especially liked the way the Air Chief presented JF17's case - he mentioned that this was an ADVANCED lightweight, and also that it costs three times less than other aircraft that offer similar capabilities.

There is a big difference. Simply presenting the JF17 as some ultra-cheap aircraft makes it the butt of jokes, because people who don't know it's capabilities naturally assume we're emphasizing the cheap price because this is aircraft performs poorly.

On a kinder note, the anecdote that the Minister mentioned about the Chinese Premier was very touching - that when the Defence Minister visited China, he was told by the staff that the Chinese Premier Hu Jintao was in tears overcome with emotion on a recent to Pakistan, when he saw outside his aircraft's window and saw JF17s providing escort. But this makes me appreciate the Chinese Premier, not the Defence Minister though. This guy needs to get his foot out of his mouth.
Well you can expect this from a person who is as femiliar to defence as an average joe in street. Being minister doesnt mean he is qualified professional. The second statement made by him was correct to an extent because AFAIK, there was some contradiction between PAF and PAC on second batch of JFT (B II). PAF wanted it join the service ASAP involving some production from Chinese plant at CAC but Kamra suggested that to fully master the technology, it was essential that manufacturing would involve PAC. So he was correct that PAC was rather slow in filling the requirements for PAF. One would have to give them the benifit of doubt in first place as they will gradually accumulate expertise in manufacturing, the manufacturing speed should pick up.
 
Dubai Air Show - Airliners Exclusive

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Photographer's Comment.

Chris Emmerson: "JF-17 Thunder displaying at the Dubai Airshow 2011, a very entertaining display [Nikon D7000 & Sigma 50-500 APO DG]"

Also a rare clear view of all Landing gear bays.

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