DRDO to be build next Generation Phalcons AEW&C for IAF

[Jon Snow]

What you are saying is that this project has been initiated to merely get the price of Israeli and American or Russians to reduce their price tags. Good thinking indeed.

Actually I am saying that this might be one of the benefits of the program - not the only benefit.

 

[Don777]

PS stop feeding trolls. You should not argue with idiots, they will take you to their level with their idiotic experiance,

 

[deep.ocean]

As per sources rising price in procurement of Ilyushin Il-76 platform and steep price rise demanded by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) for IAI EL/W-2090 Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) radar system and integration of it in Ilyushin Il-76 platform might lead to no further follow up orders of three A-50EI which Indian air force currently operates .

Follow up order was suppose to be of three more aircraft’s with similar radar integrated on Ilyushin Il-76 platform , bringing total to 6 A-50EI based AEW&C aircraft’s , negotiations are still going on but Government is planning to Start Phase II project to India’s own AEW&C Project and DRDO will get the clearance soon on this matter.

Israel has been asking India to consider Gulfstream G550 Eitam aircraft based AEW&C for some time now to reduce cost in platform purchase and integration cost of radar ,Gulfstream G550 based AEW&C are also operated by Israeli air force but IAF is not keen on it. IAF is also happy with the progress made by DRDO in its own AEW&C program and is considering further development if the deal for three more A-50EI based AEW&C fails to materialize .

Under Phase-1 , DRDO will be integrating Locally developed Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) radar system in to Brazilian Embraer aircraft’s and first aircraft which has already taken its first flight in Brazil should be arriving in India soon for system integration in India . next two aircraft’s will be in India next year and whole project will be completed and aircrafts will be handed over to IAF by 2015 as per DRDO plans .

Under Phase-II , DRDO with inputs from Indian air force , will select a new platform with higher operational range and capabilities , and will also be developing a new complete 360 degree surveillance system and radar in par or exceeding in performance of A-50EI.

Sources suggests IAF may suggest Boeing or Airbus based platform , since procuring Ilyushin Il-76 is difficult since Russia has stopped production and current lot are based on Unfinished air frames of soviet era . IAF also operates six Il-78MKI based aerial tankers but has pushing for new Airbus platform for next tanker orders .

DRDO to be build next Generation Phalcons AEW&C for IAF | idrw.org

Does that means no further order for Phalcon AWACS from Israel??? Is this another tall claim by DRDO??

What a joke... DODO will waste much more money than is required for the current procurement, and will take indefinite time to develop and by that time it would be obsolete, and end result: We all know BIG ZERO

 

[Jon Snow]

As per Artra microwaves site,the LSTAR antenna will be fitted with 1248 t/r modules packed in 208 multi module packages with each package having 6 modules and each t/r module has peak power output of 128 watt.So this means DRDO AWACS will have slightly greater number of t/r modules than Saab 2000 Erieye and that means it may have greater tracking range. .

Well according to the data given out by the DRDO - thats not true. The DRDO awacs is to have 250km range while the Saab 2000 erieye has a range of 350km
India to launch AWACS project to counter China, Pak - Times Of India
Erieye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
However the DRDO could be giving out false details to hide the true potential of their Awacs.

 

[sancho]

Well due to current economic conditions we cannot afford to be extremely lavish in our purchases so if the Israelis and Russians are asking for a lot of money then we should concentrate on an indigenous AWACS(especially since we have made a lot of progress in this field recently) - even though it might not be as capable as a Phalcons. But as soon as one of those indigenous babies goes into IAF colors the Israelis and the Russians will be forced to bring down their prices, and then we can place a follow on order for 3-4 more Phalcons.

First of all, the EMB DRDO AWACS is the cost-effective alternative to the A50 Phalcons, that's why we should simply order more of them if there is any issue with funding at the moment.
Secondly, the delays of DRDOs developments are the reason why the Russians and Israelis are asking for more money, so it's the otherway around.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Well according to the data given out by the DRDO - thats not true. The DRDO awacs is to have 250km range while the Saab 2000 erieye has a range of 350km
India to launch AWACS project to counter China, Pak - Times Of India
Erieye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
However the DRDO could be giving out false details to hide the true potential of their Awacs.

actually it has 350km range..

The Active Electronic Scanning Array (AESA), which is the processor part of the AAAU, has been developed by the Electronics and Radar Development Establishment, a DRDO laboratory in Bangalore. It is the primary sensor for the AEW&C System. It can look 240 degrees within a short time and has a range of 350 km.

It can track more than 500 targets simultaneously.

The Hindu : News / National : Second Brazilian plane with Indian AEW&C System flown

 

[Archie]

360° detection is not a big deal, you just need a useful platform and add another radar array in a triangular form, but that doesn't tell us anything about how capable the radar is in terms of range, numbers of targets that can be detected and many other points that are in regard to the radar system.
Similarly, DRDO didn't even finished and proved the current DRDO AWACS, so letting them integrate the system in a different form on a whole new platform makes delays very likely again, especially with DRDOs track record.

I have some doubts on the credibility of the article, but even if they are right and MoD don't want to pay more for A50 Phalcons, then simply order more EMB DRDO AWACS instead of start a new development when we are already behind our opponents in this field!

From the pics it seems the First DRDO AEWC is on schedule to be inducted in 2013 as per plan
By the way 3 DRDO 240 Degree AEWC cost 545 Million USD including EMB145 Platforms , But Israel is asking 1.6 Billion USD for 3 Phalcon 360 Degree AWACs , which is not at all acceptable to MOD
For the Price of 3 Phalcons , we can get 8 DRDO AEWC

I agree with you. It is not only DRDO, India as a nation state is likely to crumble as its government has almost lost its writ in almost 50% of India.

If p@kistan lasts next 10 yr , we will thank TTP for showing mercy

More than 1971 sir.

Bangladesh did not rejoin an Indian Union and retained its freedom from India.

In similar manner, most of NE, South and IOK will secede to become free. And India will mainly remain a form of non-cow eating cow belt.

Their is a Higher chance of Baluchistan gaining independence along with Khyber Pakhtunwa and Waziristan than the above happenning

 

[sancho]

From the pics it seems the First DRDO AEWC is on schedule to be inducted in 2013 as per plan
By the way 3 DRDO 240 Degree AEWC cost 545 Million USD including EMB145 Platforms , But Israel is asking 1.6 Billion USD for 3 Phalcon 360 Degree AWACs , which is not at all acceptable to MOD
For the Price of 3 Phalcons , we can get 8 DRDO AEWC

And should be inducted by now as initially planned, not to forget that the Phalcon system as well as the A50 platform offers several advantages, that's why the Israelis also offers the G550 Phalcon, which is more cost-effective than the A50 version and more comparable to the EMB DRDO AWACS. And as long DRDO comes up only with promises, we remain to be dependent on foreign suppliers and to their cost increasings, be it from Russian or Israeli side.

 

[Archie]

And should be inducted by now as initially planned, not to forget that the Phalcon system as well as the A50 platform offers several advantages, that's why the Israelis also offers the G550 Phalcon, which is more cost-effective than the A50 version and more comparable to the EMB DRDO AWACS. And as long DRDO comes up only with promises, we remain to be dependent on foreign suppliers and to their cost increasings, be it from Russian or Israeli side.

Its not you or me who has to decide what is good , what is bad

Let us get the first get DRDO AEWC by 2013 and let IAF spend some time with the 3 Aircraft fleet , only then we would be able to comment on their performance .
By the way going by Available specs DRDO AEWC offer coverage of 350 Km and ability to track upto 500 Targets compared to 250 Km and 400 Targets of Erieye also EMB145 being a jet has greater cruising speed than Saab 2000

 

[angeldemon_007]

This isn't new news...

Under Phase-II , DRDO with inputs from Indian air force , will select a new platform with higher operational range and capabilities , and will also be developing a new complete 360 degree surveillance system and radar in par or exceeding in performance of A-50EI.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...eration-phalcons-aew-c-iaf.html#ixzz21YQRAcK0

DRDO and IAF shown then start working on Air Staff requirements (ASR) so that DRDO can finalize the platform for the next phase. If the deal is signed by 2014. Then by the end of 2015 DRDO will recieve the aircraft with all the structural changes requested by them.

I think a high altitude flying heavy business jet like Bombardier Global Express XRS(for high altitude) or Embraer Lineage 1000 (Heavier business jet). These two companies offer us good aircraft and that too at a reasonable cost.

Bombardier Global Express XRS

Embraer Lineage 1000

I am saying this because the ASR and followed by zeroing in on the platform and then negotiating and signing of the deal, if done properly will take close to 2-3 years and another ear to produce the aircraft as some structural changes will be made to the airframe so that radar and other equipments can be fitted on them with the provision to cool down the immense heat generated by the large aesa radar on the platform.

 

[Omega007]

Actually the DRDO AWACS is said to have maximum tracking range of 370+ km against 3 m2 targets in an 'extended mode'.
And as the Embraer Emb 145 has a much greater maximum service altitude than Saab 2000,the range of the DRDO AWACS will be automatically greater than Erieye even if both antenna has identical power output.

 

[shubhamkumar]

Sir i must think i will get promoted in2013
as i'm a scientist in this project

and then i will take u all suggestion and think to what to do of them
and me promise it's better than saab

 

[tvsram1992]

Ahem ... please make a current generation AWACS for IAF with AESA .

 

[sancho]

Its not you or me who has to decide what is good , what is bad

You can compare specs of the radar system, you can compare the platforms, you can compare the number of additionals sensors or advantages...but there is no doubt that the A50 Phalcon is one of the best AWACS available today and in a class with E-3, KJ 2000 or Japans 767 AWACS, that's why it obviously costs more than DRDO AWACS.
However, I don't care about the costs, neither about pride of having an indigenous AWACS system, I only want IAF to offer propper AWACS coverage for our border areas and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Any further delays in the development, induction or even the order of these aircrafts makes India only more vulnerabel!

 

[Jon Snow]

First of all, the EMB DRDO AWACS is the cost-effective alternative to the A50 Phalcons, that's why we should simply order more of them if there is any issue with funding at the moment.
Secondly, the delays of DRDOs developments are the reason why the Russians and Israelis are asking for more money, so it's the otherway around.

Which is precisely what i just said - if we cant afford the phalcons - concentrate on ( in other words - give higher priority/ orders to ) the drdo awacs system. And no matter what the reason for cost escalation by the israelis - they will lower the price once they realize that indians have a decent alternative to the phalcon.

Actually the DRDO AWACS is said to have maximum tracking range of 370+ km against 3 m2 targets in an 'extended mode'.
And as the Embraer Emb 145 has a much greater maximum service altitude than Saab 2000,the range of the DRDO AWACS will be automatically greater than Erieye even if both antenna has identical power output.

Could you give a source for that range? The ToI source gives a range of 250km, the Hindu says 350km - hopefuly you have a more reliable source than either which will help put the matter to rest.