DRDO official sees good export potential for Tejas

[Kompromat]

Are nt you the admin there??

No i am not , sorry to end your little party , i am under the username of "Longbow" just a regular member.

 

[SpArK]

Because LCA wont become an export success until you manufacture all major parts of it and bring price down to an affordable level.

Current price is more than the price of F-16 C/D Block 52+ & MIG-29 & this ac is not comparable to both of them give the price to performance ratio.

I never demanded your respect , do as you see fit mate.

Plans are going on to manufacture everything including the aviation fuel.

Between Grippen with major components collected from various countries is still exported to many countries. Just last week 6 gripens landed in chennai en route to Thailand for their Gripen procurement.

People concerned are not stupids, so they make comment on export potential of the fighter. they are more in a position as to ascertain and come to conclusion regarding everything about it .

No i am not , sorry to end your little party.

 

[Kompromat]

Plans are going on to manufacture everything including the aviation fuel.

Between Grippen with major components collected from various countries is still exported to many countries. Just last week 6 gripens landed in chennai en route to Thailand for their Gripen procurement.

People concerned are not stupids, so they make comment on export potential of the fighter. they are more in a position as to ascertain and come to conclusion regarding everything about it .

Benny i have never said that guys at HAL are stupid , the point i am getting across is that given the cost to performance ratio it faces some fierce competition and it doesn't match the performance of other fighters on offer ie F-16 C/D.

Put it this way , you try to sell LCA to some country & US wants to sale F-16 C/D to the same country - they simply will ask you to bug out because you are using their engine.

we had reports of US asking sweden to back off from MMRCA , my whole point is once you get dependent on another supplier they can intimidate you quite easily which can kill your exports.

 

[SpArK]

Benny i have never said that guys at HAL are stupid , the point i am getting across is that given the cost to performance ratio it faces some fierce competition and it doesn't match the performance of other fighters on offer ie F-16 C/D.

Put it this way , you try to sell LCA to some country & US wants to sale F-16 C/D to the same country - they simply ask you to bug out because you are using their engine.

we had reports of US asking sweden to back off from MMRCA , my whole point is once you get dependent on another supplier they can intimidate you quite easily which can kill your exports.

I am guessing by that time if any plans are there for the export , it will be with snecma-kaveri engine, so no more worries on that for us..

Anyway i am not seeing anything happening on that front for some front since they have some serious job to do and orders to fill.

 

[tallboy123]

I think Sweden != India

 

[Kompromat]

I am guessing by that time if any plans are there for the export , it will be with snecma-kaveri engine, so no more worries on that for us..

Anyway i am not seeing anything happening on that front for some front since they have some serious job to do and orders to fill.

Benny it gets more complex than just having an indigenous engine which still has to prove itself.

1: Engine
2: Avionics
3: Radar
4: Ew suite
5: Ejection seats
6: HMS
7: MFDs/MMIF
8: Data link
9: Armament inc LGB-BVRAAM-WVRM-GBs-ALCMs.

My point is , none of the above of these aircraft is manufactured by India at the moment which means that you would have to listen to the demands of your suppliers when negotiating this air craft with a country mind you your customer can come in direct conflict with your supplier.

Just imagine , Iran asks to buy this a/c how would US and Israel two largest suppliers of this a/c would respond ? -- they simply wont let you sale this a/c to Iran and many other countries.

I am not saying that India can't develop those capabilities but it will take a very long time , more r&d hence adding into the original cost of the a/c and consequently into the unit price/ac.

To market it aggressively India needs to be independent in developing those technologies , then comes the question of being competent enough to be in that unit price range and competing with other jets technically and in terms of operational capabilities.

Put it this way , India won't be able to produce SNIPER Targeting pod - JHMCS - LINK-16 - CFTs which come as a package with an air craft like F-16C/D and at lesser price than Tejas . As a customer what would you go for?

Take care.

 

[SpArK]

BB, i will ask somebody to answer your point coz i am not an expert on these..

Can somebody step in answer that one, please!!!

 

[Kompromat]

BB, i will ask somebody to answer your point coz i am not an expert on these..

Can somebody step in answer that one, please!!!

I just had to make a point which i did , i am not trying to discourage you guys here.

What i posted is verifiable & i have posted it after studying the a/c for a while . Wish you good luck.

I am off to bed. Bye

 

[gulte]

Benny it gets more complex than just having an indigenous engine which still has to prove itself.

1: Engine
2: Avionics
3: Radar
4: Ew suite
5: Ejection seats
6: HMS
7: MFDs/MMIF
8: Data link
9: Armament inc LGB-BVRAAM-WVRM-GBs-ALCMs.

My point is , none of the above of these aircraft is manufactured by India at the moment which means that you would have to listen to the demands of your suppliers when negotiating this air craft with a country mind you your customer can come in direct conflict with your supplier.

Just imagine , Iran asks to buy this a/c how would US and Israel two largest suppliers of this a/c would respond ? -- they simply wont let you sale this a/c to Iran and many other countries.

I am not saying that India can't develop those capabilities but it will take a very long time , more r&d hence adding into the original cost of the a/c and consequently into the unit price/ac.

To market it aggressively India needs to be independent in developing those technologies , then comes the question of being competent enough to be in that unit price range and competing with other jets technically and in terms of operational capabilities.

Put it this way , India won't be able to produce SNIPER Targeting pod - JHMCS - LINK-16 - CFTs which come as a package with an air craft like F-16C/D and at lesser price than Tejas . As a customer what would you go for?

Take care.

Out of the list, only part that is procured from a competitor is Engine(US).

 

[tallboy123]

I think the official said,there is a good export potential for Tejas..But did he say this years or next year...

He may have said by all the parts are designed and made in india,they have good potential for export..
and when all are made here,the cost comes down...

 

[Kompromat]

Out of the list, only part that is procured from a competitor is Engine(US).

If Tejas comes in competition with any US fighter jet - US wont let Israel go the deal through & thats after IF Tejas wins against F-16C/D which it wont.

 

[GORKHALI]

i want sancho ji or kinectic to reply our beloved researcher as am too lazy for it.

 

[sancho]

My point is , none of the above of these aircraft is manufactured by India at the moment which means that you would have to listen to the demands of your suppliers when negotiating this air craft with a country mind you your customer can come in direct conflict with your supplier.

True, but we won't sell LCA MK1 now, the plan is to sell LCA MK2 to export customers, that means beyond 2015 and in that time it will look pretty different:

1: Engine - Kaveri / Snecma engine instead of GE 414
2: Avionics - already mainly Indian, or co-developed
3: Radar - indigenous MMR, or co-developed AESA
4: Ew suite - Mayavi is co-developed as well
5: Ejection seats - check rpraveenkum post below
6: HMS - Dash V now, Topsight I is produced in India
7: MFDs/MMIF - already Indian
8: Data link - Indian
9: Armament inc LGB-BVRAAM-WVRM-GBs-ALCMs. - Sudharshan LGB, Astra BVR missile + Russian, Israeli, or European weapons are available

As you can see, there is nothing that would be a big problem for exports, mainly because we are not as dependend on the US, like the Gripen for example. We have several independent alternatives for those parts, that are not at least co-developed and that's what gives us an advantage.

Put it this way , India won't be able to produce SNIPER Targeting pod - JHMCS - LINK-16 - CFTs which come as a package with an air craft like F-16C/D and at lesser price than Tejas . As a customer what would you go for?

First of all, check the price PAF is paying for the Block 52 and compare it again with the price for LCA.
Secondly, CFTs are not needed, because LCA MK2 will carry comparable fuel internally (the rest see above).

If LCA and F16 will be offered for the same export country, LCA has good chances to be ahead in regard to operational terms and cost, but falls short at political advantages, just like it is the case with western counterparts as well, but that doesn't mean there are no export potentials. Especially in several South American, African, or Asian countries, LCA would be very interesting, because it offers similar techs and capabilities like western fighters, but at lower costs and that for the next 40 years. The only 4th gen single engine fighter that will be on offer in that time will be JF 17 and J10, Gripen NG only if they get an export order soon.

 

[RPK]

5: Ejection seats

Escape systemsAlthough two-seat variants of the LCA are planned, the examples built to date are crewed by a single pilot on a Martin-Baker zero-zero ejection seat. The British Martin-Baker ejection seat is planned to be replaced with a locally-developed alternative.[67] To improve pilot safety during ejection, the Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), Pune, India created a new line-charged canopy severance system, which has been certified by Martin-Baker.

 

[Aramsogo]

Unit cost:
F-16 is $17 million.
Tejas is $31 million.

How much was India planning to sell Tejas for export ?