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04 30th, 2010

Canada: Some say it’s not a country, it’s winter. In some parts of it, for about eight months of the year, the dog **** is too frozen to worry about. But what worries me most is that my fellow Pakistani taxi drivers are on the road all year round. The time has gone when Sikhs used to dominate the taxi business here; now it’s the Pakistanis who rule. From Yellowknife, a city near Arctic Circle, to the eastern cities, I can’t recall a single major city where I haven’t come across Pakistani taxi drivers.

Many of these drivers are those who jumped to the north of the border after 9/11. But a majority of them are highly qualified professionals who migrated to Canada during the past decade for a “better future for their children”. They include doctors, engineers , lawyers, professors, students, journalists and retired civil or military officers.

I also have some friends in the taxi business and many of you might not agree with me on how I see their lives. A majority of these skilled professionals came to Canada on the point systems, also known as the skilled category. Then, there is a large number of those who came here to study and ended up driving cabs. These skilled immigrants wait up to five years to obtain resident visas. However, the moment they land here, their degrees become worthless and the immediate need for survival changes their priorities. There can be no denying the fact that most of these professionals do not get a job even if they have the requisite skills and qualifications. And many of them with a Canadian Masters degree or even a PhD can be seen driving cabs.

The stated reason: No Canadian experience. So, what is Canadian experience? For most employers, it means exactly what it says — you do not have work experience in Canada. But it can also mean that an employer does not know how to evaluate the work you did outside of Canada with how it is done in Canada. It can also mean that an employer doesn’t think you’ll fit into their corporate culture. Or, it can even mean that the employer is discriminating against you. “If you are a person of color, you are seen differently,” an immigrant worker, who knows several skilled migrants engaging in “precarious” temporary employment, told me.

While employment in different fields requires fulfilling some kind of criteria, it seems rather unfair that employers insist on Canadian experience as opposed to thoroughly evaluating and examining a prospective employee. This is also why several skilled immigrants end up driving cabs instead of doing what they have been trained to do. Once, on a -35 degree Celsius cold winter day in Saskatchewan, a taxi driver pulled over near me and greeted me saying: “In Pakistan people call me “Dr. Iftikhar”, but here I am “driver Ifti”. Seeing a Pakistani doctor driving a taxi in freezing prairies was certainly not pleasant for me. Although, this was not the first time I came across a case like this: my first roommate in Canada who was a university professor in Pakistan was forced to work as a cab driver here.

One of the North America’s largest Pakistani communities, of nearly 350,000 people, lives in Ontario. Most of these people live in Toronto and on its outskirts, in Mississauga and Brampton. In Toronto, the Thorncliffe Park Drive area is the hub of Pakistanis and is also called the “Taxi Capital”. Interestingly enough, residents of this area also have one of the highest average years of education attained in the whole country.

Then, there are those who arrive in Canada with almost no command on the English language and they do not bother to work on their linguistic limitations while blaming Canada for not giving them enough opportunities. I know many who could have achieved so much more but couldn’t wait. They wanted to own big houses and drive lush cars and they wanted it fast. Their families hosted parties that got started and never ended. Their real reason for taking this course was mainly greed: earn quick cash by driving cabs and not worry about paying taxes.

But then again, despite the employment downside, Canada offers several social and educational benefits for newcomers, but certain regulated procedures are to be followed in order to gain from them. People who do not choose to follow these procedures are therefore sure to miss out on the system’s positives. I remember translating for an agricultural university professional at a clinic who was injured doing a cash job under the table right after he landed in Canada and therefore had trouble claiming workplace injury benefits. This would not have been a problem had he followed the proper procedures, such as paying taxes out of his income. I wish people immigrating to Canada would use some of the years waiting to obtain their visas to understand the Canadian system and keep the patience they developed while waiting for their visas after landing in order to tailor their skills. Recertification might take many years in Canada but please do not give up. It’s never too late.

Also, mostly, the newcomers are misled by some of our own Pakistani real estate agents. These agents put the newcomers under the burden of heavy mortgages which leads them into driving cabs and working overtime shifts at McDonalds, coffee shops, and sometimes under-paying biryani houses owned by our own desi folks.

Working odd hours is not easy. And when working means driving, it is even harder. It leaves the taxi drivers with no choice but to adopt an unhealthy lifestyle. They also get very little time to spend with their children and many of them often have troubled relationships with the members of their families. Health risks are also of much concern: A physician told me that South Asian cab drivers were increasingly suffering from heart diseases. Worst of all, I recall community radio stations collecting funds for the funerals of taxi drivers who died in horrific car crashes.

Much has changed in the past decade or so. There was a time when people in Canada referred to Pakistan as an agricultural country and the Pakistanis here as doctors and engineers. But this perception has now been replaced by the image of taxi drivers. Every time I joke to my Ukrainian immigrant friend Lonny that his country is famous for producing prostitutes, he shouts back “and your country is good for taxi drivers”. Well, both work on street and it’s not easy.

Mohsin Abbas is a freelance journalist based in Canada. He blogs at Akhbaar Wala By Mohsin Abbas

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A point that the article does not clearifies is that taxi drivers make
50,000 USD-70,000USD per year (of course they have to pay city licence fees)
On trip a taxi driver can make 30 dollar to 150 dollar 1 trip

But should a doctor drive cars ... no ...he has duty to saves lifes in hospitals not drive cars ...

BUT ....

Canada is a third world country ... the immigrate thing is not true as Hong Kong citizens migrated recently and yet most of toronto is now crowded with Hong Kong residents working in gov posts :P

There are some hong kong (ex hong kong residents) who did not wanted to be part of China moved to China and they are working in marking positions yet they can't speak english properly.

Some of the hong kong residents moved into Canada with 1,5 million to 500,000 USD
funds , and they out right bought business buildings and businesses.

Its only South Asians that face these taboos of canadian experience its nothing but discrimination in reality

There are numerous companies who place ppl into jobs , and they take 50-60% of the cut in their own pocket while the worker has to to pay gov taxes and also pay his hiring company

After the lebnoon /israel war, the "Canadian gov" changed laws that stated if you are overseas and war breaks out you are on your own ... if you are away from country a certain number of months...and they also introduced laws that don't allow you to have Candian passport if you lets say live in Pakistan over 1 year or so ...

Companies routinely fire workers , before they are , elligible for full time benefits (Medical and Employment insurance) , also it allows them to hire new ppl at same wages of 10$/month ...

Most of the crappy night shifts are reserved for non-whites
if a decent post comes up , they put a tag (Need to also know french) even if you are living in 100% english speaking province and you will not even be talking to any french customer

US is million times better, they only get stick for their forigne policy but in term of equality US is better

Canada is only good at the high level , federal level , ppl like to wear the post suits , (mostly hired are 6 feet tall guys) and then they speak about equality and justice and
all the plus things ... but in reality they are just beggars ... who want to get
100,000 per immigrant family to move their crappy storage room economy

As for the educational advantae , avarage immigrate student is burdened with 30,000 USD to 50,000 USD when they graduate , and thus they became slave of Banks

The CANADIAN law states that even if you go bankrupt the student loan bank can take every thing you have including your home , every possesion and if you earn a $ from job they can steal it from a Bank directly ... by seizing your bank account ....

Even with Bankruptcy you can't be protected , this is how the system treats students stuck with big loans

So why does every one flocks to Canada ??

Simple - there are no bombs exploding in markets , and there is no mass killings and Gang or political violence

Canadians gov is such a beggar mentality , that even if you don't make 1$ in Canada if you work else where you are suppose to Pay tax in CANADA ... ? lol ...

PPL COMPLAIN about zardari , Canadian gov is zardari ki ****

Tax on home
Tax on food
Tax on salary
Car insurance (Mandatory tax for insurance company)
Heath insurance (With limitations ... stay out of country 3-4 months no coverage)
Social security (If you don't apply in time lose benefits)
Tax on education
Tax on forigne income


Basically CANADA is a PRISON

Immigrant comes into CANADA , the gov puts a needle in their arm and start to suck out blood form their veins

> They will telll the workers , oh the reason why you are not
getting a job is because you lack english skills
> They will say you lack this credential
> Then they use the popular tactic canadian education
> Then there is the french language excuse
> Then there is the oh ... you are not long enough in Canada


The main point is in Canada - an immigrant is seen as someone who is coming to clean the homes and wash cars .. this is what the Canadian mindset is ...

Federal gov thinks differently but they only hire .001% people private sector has its own biases.

If anyone is to sue someone the immigrants should sue the Canadian gov for false advertisement :smokin:

Becasue each immigrant when they migrate they bring with them 40,000 -140,000 USD and when they live in the region they pay TAXES (400,000-500,000 over 10 years) which help run gov affairs .....
 
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^^^^^ I know the stereotype thinking of many other immigrants is that the Chinese Canadians are 'rich', but this isn't true. There are many threads and sources where you can see how much they had to work and suffer to get where they are.

I believe the statistics say that 97% of Chinese Canadians have post-secondary education. This is FAR LARGER than ANY other ethnic group by a enormous margin. Yet, despite being hard working, highly skilled, and well educated the employment success for Chinese is comparable to Caucasian Canadians. This is an outright racial discrimination Chinese face.

It gets worse if you consider many multi-generational Chinese (and other Asians) who helped build this nation have faced horrible discrimination in the past. Chinese built the railroads that enable America (+ Canada) to be populated, without which Canada and USA would only exist on the fringe of the east coast.

:angel:

I now want to digress a little on other ethnic groups in Canada and USA. The African ethnic community in USA is very significant, in fact they are the largest minority group. I don't need to elaborate as most of us know their situation.

The Native Aboriginal community in Canada in particular suffer a lot. Yes, there are many stereotypes of them being alcoholics (which is true), but many that are not true. It is true the Canadian government provides special subsidies, education grants, and work opportunities for them --- this I know first hand. However, they is a darker unpleasant history. Many crimes against natives by police, government, RCMP, etc go unspoken. It really pisses me off because I have witnessed many times of police and the system abusing the Natives.

It is sad because I dare not confront the police. The police in America and Canada are brutal, and the courts nearly all the time take their sides. I know of a few homocides committed BY the police against "suspect gangsters", and the police are NEVER held responsible. You say this happens in every country -- well yes to a degree, but here it is targeted towards non-whites.

I can share many more true stories, but for now I'll end here.



So I'll share my thoughts on this thread. Yes, the author is observant. I too saw the change from mostly turban wearing Sikh taxi-drivers, shifting towards Pakistanis. And it is true the cash amounts that many cab drivers make is substantial. It is also true that many do not disclose all their income. It is also true that their hours and profession are not conducive to a healthy lifestyle. But this article makes it seem like be a cabbie is a horrible profession.:cheesy: Having my share of unpleasant jobs, being a cabbie ain't so bad. And hey, in today's economy most of us don't have jobs. So let's be grateful for what we have. :smitten:
 
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A point that the article does not clearifies is that taxi drivers make
50,000 USD-70,000USD per year (of course they have to pay city licence fees)
On trip a taxi driver can make 30 dollar to 150 dollar 1 trip

But should a doctor drive cars ... no ...he has duty to saves lifes in hospitals not drive cars ...

BUT ....

Canada is a third world country ... the immigrate thing is not true as Hong Kong citizens migrated recently and yet most of toronto is now crowded with Hong Kong residents working in gov posts :P

There are some hong kong (ex hong kong residents) who did not wanted to be part of China moved to China and they are working in marking positions yet they can't speak english properly.

Some of the hong kong residents moved into Canada with 1,5 million to 500,000 USD
funds , and they out right bought business buildings and businesses.

Its only South Asians that face these taboos of canadian experience its nothing but discrimination in reality

There are numerous companies who place ppl into jobs , and they take 50-60% of the cut in their own pocket while the worker has to to pay gov taxes and also pay his hiring company

After the lebnoon /israel war, the "Canadian gov" changed laws that stated if you are overseas and war breaks out you are on your own ... if you are away from country a certain number of months...and they also introduced laws that don't allow you to have Candian passport if you lets say live in Pakistan over 1 year or so ...

Companies routinely fire workers , before they are , elligible for full time benefits (Medical and Employment insurance) , also it allows them to hire new ppl at same wages of 10$/month ...

Most of the crappy night shifts are reserved for non-whites
if a decent post comes up , they put a tag (Need to also know french) even if you are living in 100% english speaking province and you will not even be talking to any french customer

US is million times better, they only get stick for their forigne policy but in term of equality US is better

Canada is only good at the high level , federal level , ppl like to wear the post suits , (mostly hired are 6 feet tall guys) and then they speak about equality and justice and
all the plus things ... but in reality they are just beggars ... who want to get
100,000 per immigrant family to move their crappy storage room economy

As for the educational advantae , avarage immigrate student is burdened with 30,000 USD to 50,000 USD when they graduate , and thus they became slave of Banks

The CANADIAN law states that even if you go bankrupt the student loan bank can take every thing you have including your home , every possesion and if you earn a $ from job they can steal it from a Bank directly ... by seizing your bank account ....

Even with Bankruptcy you can't be protected , this is how the system treats students stuck with big loans

So why does every one flocks to Canada ??

Simple - there are no bombs exploding in markets , and there is no mass killings and Gang or political violence

Canadians gov is such a beggar mentality , that even if you don't make 1$ in Canada if you work else where you are suppose to Pay tax in CANADA ... ? lol ...

PPL COMPLAIN about zardari , Canadian gov is zardari ki ****

Tax on home
Tax on food
Tax on salary
Car insurance (Mandatory tax for insurance company)
Heath insurance (With limitations ... stay out of country 3-4 months no coverage)
Social security (If you don't apply in time lose benefits)
Tax on education
Tax on forigne income


Basically CANADA is a PRISON

Immigrant comes into CANADA , the gov puts a needle in their arm and start to suck out blood form their veins

> They will telll the workers , oh the reason why you are not
getting a job is because you lack english skills
> They will say you lack this credential
> Then they use the popular tactic canadian education
> Then there is the french language excuse
> Then there is the oh ... you are not long enough in Canada


The main point is in Canada - an immigrant is seen as someone who is coming to clean the homes and wash cars .. this is what the Canadian mindset is ...

Federal gov thinks differently but they only hire .001% people private sector has its own biases.

If anyone is to sue someone the immigrants should sue the Canadian gov for false advertisement :smokin:

Becasue each immigrant when they migrate they bring with them 40,000 -140,000 USD and when they live in the region they pay TAXES (400,000-500,000 over 10 years) which help run gov affairs .....

Thank you for sharing your own experiences and knowledge.

Most of what you say is correct, in particular the part I highlighted bold. Yes, I worked and lived in both countries, and besides ethnic makeup, weather, guns -- both have similar workplace practices.

Wherever we are, it is certain we will face difficulties. Recognizing the difficulties is important, but whining and complaining without doing anything positive about it won't change our lives.
:pakistan::usflag::china:
 
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Taxi drivers don't make good salary in Canada. There are three things involved: taxi plate, taxi and driver. The Toronto city is not issuing anymore new taxi plates for taxis. The current taxi plates are resold by their owners for $225,000 or more. The taxi plate owners usually rent out their plates to taxi drivers and make money. So a taxi driver has to pay rent for taxi plate and taxi from his earnings.
 
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Taxi drivers don't make good salary in Canada. There are three things involved: taxi plate, taxi and driver. The Toronto city is not issuing anymore new taxi plates for taxis. The current taxi plates are resold by their owners for $225,000 or more. The taxi plate owners usually rent out their plates to taxi drivers and make money. So a taxi driver has to pay rent for taxi plate and taxi from his earnings.

Thanks for sharing this useful info. That's because most people in TO drive their own car, or take public transit (which is decent). Try the west coast.

Yeah, Toronto is cut-throat tough to make a living because too many people competing for limited demand. But it's better than Montreal.

But you are right, it's getting tougher. I was going to say that it's going to get tougher still with the recession, less people will hail a cab. And those who do would be deadbeats, drunks, or broke!

:pakistan:

But keep in mind, the entire world is under much strain. There's no such thing as "easy money" (unless you steal from others). People around me are losing their job left right and center. But let's face it Canada is faring better than USA or Europe or Asia or South America or Africa.

But then, the cost of living here is bloody expensive... :rolleyes:
 
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I believe the statistics say that 97% of Chinese Canadians have post-secondary education. This is FAR LARGER than ANY other ethnic group by a enormous margin. Yet, despite being hard working, highly skilled, and well educated the employment success for Chinese is comparable to Caucasian Canadians. This is an outright racial discrimination Chinese face.

In 2001, 31% of Chinese in Canada, both foreign-born and Canadian-born, had a university education, compared with the national average of 18%.[6]
 
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In 2001, 31% of Chinese in Canada, both foreign-born and Canadian-born, had a university education, compared with the national average of 18%.[6]

Read what I wrote again. I state "post-secondary education", which includes colleges, institutions as well as university != degree. I saw this number somewhere (though actual number may be off, but it was very high), and is likely close as practically all of my friends had post-secondary education (several actually).

I myself noticed about half of the university was Asian, even though they only constituted a small fraction of population. I myself am a multi-degree holder.

And let's also factor in many Chinese immigrants have post-secondary education (often masters & phd) before arriving here, and these degrees may not have been included.
 
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^^^^^ I know the stereotype thinking of many other immigrants is that the Chinese Canadians are 'rich', but this isn't true. There are many threads and sources where you can see how much they had to work and suffer to get where they are.

I believe the statistics say that 97% of Chinese Canadians have post-secondary education. This is FAR LARGER than ANY other ethnic group by a enormous margin. Yet, despite being hard working, highly skilled, and well educated the employment success for Chinese is comparable to Caucasian Canadians. This is an outright racial discrimination Chinese face.

It gets worse if you consider many multi-generational Chinese (and other Asians) who helped build this nation have faced horrible discrimination in the past. Chinese built the railroads that enable America (+ Canada) to be populated, without which Canada and USA would only exist on the fringe of the east coast.

:angel:

I now want to digress a little on other ethnic groups in Canada and USA. The African ethnic community in USA is very significant, in fact they are the largest minority group. I don't need to elaborate as most of us know their situation.

The Native Aboriginal community in Canada in particular suffer a lot. Yes, there are many stereotypes of them being alcoholics (which is true), but many that are not true. It is true the Canadian government provides special subsidies, education grants, and work opportunities for them --- this I know first hand. However, they is a darker unpleasant history. Many crimes against natives by police, government, RCMP, etc go unspoken. It really pisses me off because I have witnessed many times of police and the system abusing the Natives.

It is sad because I dare not confront the police. The police in America and Canada are brutal, and the courts nearly all the time take their sides. I know of a few homocides committed BY the police against "suspect gangsters", and the police are NEVER held responsible. You say this happens in every country -- well yes to a degree, but here it is targeted towards non-whites.

I can share many more true stories, but for now I'll end here.



So I'll share my thoughts on this thread. Yes, the author is observant. I too saw the change from mostly turban wearing Sikh taxi-drivers, shifting towards Pakistanis. And it is true the cash amounts that many cab drivers make is substantial. It is also true that many do not disclose all their income. It is also true that their hours and profession are not conducive to a healthy lifestyle. But this article makes it seem like be a cabbie is a horrible profession.:cheesy: Having my share of unpleasant jobs, being a cabbie ain't so bad. And hey, in today's economy most of us don't have jobs. So let's be grateful for what we have. :smitten:

How are Indian Canadians doing? Are they well established(u know just like the Chineese Canadians) and considered model minority?
Thanks in advance.
 
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Read what I wrote again. I state "post-secondary education", which includes colleges, institutions as well as university != degree. I saw this number somewhere (though actual number may be off, but it was very high), and is likely close as practically all of my friends had post-secondary education (several actually).

I myself noticed about half of the university was Asian, even though they only constituted a small fraction of population. I myself am a multi-degree holder.

And let's also factor in many Chinese immigrants have post-secondary education (often masters & phd) before arriving here, and these degrees may not have been included.

I didn't know there was a distinction between universities and colleges.

Anyway I do medicine (considered the most difficult subject to get into) in the best University in my state in Australia, about 60% of the people doing it are Chinese/East Asian and 30% Indian.
 
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