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Dr Qadir - A national hero or traitor

All the Media Stunts are going to Hurt Pakistan!

Not a good move by A.Q after taking the blame and becoming a true Hero. Sometimes you are praised as a Hero and sometimes you are bashed but few know that you did the right thing for your country.

All of that has been lost!
 
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APJ Abdul Kalam is a truly eminent scientist and educationist. Please don't compare him with "other scientists".

Dude stay the hell out of it...... If you don't like this thread then click the cross on your top right!!!!!!!!!!! Not trying to insult you but dude seriously stay out of this kind of stuff. Praise this guy on indian forum thanks and god bless you!!!!!!!!
 
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he always remain our national hero yes other scientists contributed but he trained them he make the 1st muslim country nuke power if we dont have the nukes we are gone long long ago


so road runner before say any thing think
A Q Khan was a hero as long as he stayed and acted like one but now he is a traitor and a moran!!!!!!!! sorry if it hurts people but i would say he is a smuk who didn't care for Pakistan's future!!!!! He loves himself more then Pakistan...Watch all these people who are prasing him!!! will realize very soon when world bring the show to us over his statment.... What a pathetic looser he is A Q KHAN
( i have respected him alot but every one has limits when it comes to Country as soon as you cross the line you are no more hero and there is a lesson in this story ... It might take years to be a hero but it will take moments to be a traitor if you cross the lines)
 
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Dude stay the hell out of it...... If you don't like this thread then click the cross on your top right!!!!!!!!!!! Not trying to insult you but dude seriously stay out of this kind of stuff. Praise this guy on indian forum thanks and god bless you!!!!!!!!

Fine, the thread is yours.

Its your compatriot who was insinuating that Dr. Kalam is simply a figurehead used to bandy about India's secularism.

I was simply clarifying that Dr. Kalam has a brilliant record as both a scientist and an administrator in India's missile program, and he is well known for his social work in India and abroad.
His stint as President was one of the greatest in the history of modern India.

He should not be compared to Dr. Khan simply because they were associated with their respective missile/ nuclear programs.
 
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Wrong, the alleged nuclear proiferation was about transfer of unanium enrichment technoly, not nukes.


It may be so but Dr. Khan's reponse is even worse. A true patriot would have gone down to save the pride of the country, even if the allegations were wrong. If it saves the country so be it.


No disrecpect to Dr. Kalam but India loves to showcase her 'secular' path to democracy, put a melange of religious and ethnic minorities together and you have a perfactly functioning PR mechanism. But I don't want to derail the tread so leave it there.


Yes, India used the same network to acquire sensitive technology thoug its widely denied by the Indian media.


He's guity to some level and he got pardonned. Again a true patriot would have been proud with sanctions having the the knowledge that even then he was serving his country.


And he'll grow above himself if he keeps his mouth shut. We're paying big price for pardonning him..


He gave us an alternative whith shorter timespan than our original Pu-based nuclear programme. He's over credited for his achievements but there were other scientists who would have done the same job with our original nuclear programme. The problem is that Bhutto wanted to make the bomb within five years, he sidelined other scientists and give AQ Khan full command of the project which included clandestine dealing with a global network of dealers.
AQ Khan was made God and the country served and treated him well, its his turn now.

Just my 2 cents...:coffee:
100% right!!!!!!! you nailed it dude!
 
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Asim your hero revealed it before Qadeer.:lol:
Mr bhutto lover and mush hater!!!!!!! A Q KHAN is blaiming Pakistan' army and goverment and trying to put words in UNs mouth that Pakistan as of whole country gave N TECh to exis of evil on the other hand yes Mussarraff did say that tech was supplied to N korea but never said Pakistan did.!!! It says A Q KHAN's network solely did the work !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not Pakistan!!!!!!!! so i think you need kimbo bloba for memory enhancing!!!!!!!!!!
"bhutto is dead" and mr 10% is now 100% lmao
 
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Dr AQ Khan should keep quite he is not helping Pakistan.
True i guess he figured out how to grow hash without seeds in his back yard!!!! If he really loved Pakistan over him he would of kept his mouth shut.... He is taking his revenge from Pakistan... If he had his mouth shut people would have respected him for 100's of years but now i can't even respect this man anymore for what he has done. The world is after Pakistan and he did nothing but made it even worse thanks to traitor A Q KHAN
 
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What ever Dr.Qadeer did, he wasn't the only one doing it. I am pretty sure President Musharraf, the Army knew what was going on.

Even if the world knew what was going on .... shouldn't he just shut up in National Interest?
 
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"The A.Q. Khan Illicit Nuclear Trade Network and Implications for Nonproliferation Efforts"

Khan appears to have attracted Iran as his first major customer in 1987. In 1994 and 1995 Iran received additional assistance from the Khan network. By 1995 or 1996, Iran also received the drawings for the P2 centrifuge from the Khan network.

One of the documents, dated October 6, 1990, is a one-page memo from the Iraqi intelligence service, summarizes a meeting between members of the Mukhabarat and an intermediary who said he represented A.Q. Khan. the Security Council in the late 1990s, the IAEA recorded its concerns about this matter.

The network’s first major sale to Libya was in 1997. According to a Malaysian police report, Libya contacted Khan for help and expertise in gas centrifuges.
http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/2006/...rightJul06.asp

In 1997, Libya bought 20 pre-assembled P1 centrifuges, which it called L-1 centrifuges. These surplus or retired machines from Pakistan started arriving in 1997. Khan also sold Libya another 200 P1 centrifuges, process gas-feed and withdrawal systems, uranium hexafluoride cylinders, and frequency converters. In the late 1990s, Libya ordered a staggering 10,000 P2 centrifuges from the Khan network.

Khan’s activities have been closely watched by U.S. and other intelligence agencies since the late 1970s. There were early indications of Khan’s willingness to disseminate sensitive nuclear information.

Throughout the late 1980s and 1990s, Western intelligence agencies learned of additional signs that Khan was selling his wares to others, particularly Iran and North Korea. In 1995, the IAEA obtained Iraqi memoranda that exposed Khan’s offer to Iraq of centrifuge assistance and nuclear weapons design information from 1990.

http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/2006/...rightJul06.asp

The WORLD has proofs against him! He can't keep lying and putting the National Interest at stake.
 
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Even if the world knew what was going on .... shouldn't he just shut up in National Interest?
Bro i guess for A Q KHAN there is no word like National intrest anymore.... lol ....... He wants to be the PRESIDENT sucker khan now iam as against as i was bb( big bi..h bhutto).... Nawaz is another smochk ALLAH BLESS PAKISTAN....... These traitors are not leaving any chance to get Pakistan on her knees....:hitwall::devil:
 
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Washington times publish this letter today. And more reaction is coming. Its from Indian. Time for Indian to expolite the situation.


double-cross

Reports like "Khan says military flew centrifuges to North Korea," (World, Saturday, e-edition) ring bells loud enough even for the deaf ears in the White House and Pentagon to hear.

Pakistan's nuclear expert, Abdul Qadeer Khan, has told the Associated Press that it was Pakistan's army and Inter-Services Intelligence agency that flew large numbers of nuclear components and materials to North Korea and further that Pakistan has stopped paramilitary attacks on the militants in its Western areas.

The attack was only a public relations exercise, as it was published well in advance to warn the militant leaders who "escaped" before the attack. Only one militant was killed, and the Pakistani forces demolished some empty houses. Taliban, al-Qaeda, L-e-T, L-e-J and other Islamic terrorist organizations control Frontier regions, North and South Waziristan and now have control over areas near Peshawar.

Pakistan's leading English-language newspapers have published many articles and editorials recently challenging the official version of the Pakistani government regarding the contents and scope of these anti-militant operations.

Time and again, Pakistan has fooled the United States government by double-crossing President Bush and in the process also has collected billions of dollars.

The attacks from Pakistan on the U.S.- and U.K.-led coalition forces and Afghan forces will continue, and body bags will continue to come home to the United States, United Kingdom and other NATO countries. For what purpose?

Pakistan replaces militants killed in Afghanistan and keeps the pot boiling to collect a king's ransom and more. For how long will the United States and United Kingdom let their tactical requirements trump Western strategic goals?

The United States itself fears that the next Sept. 11 will come from Pakistan's tribal areas. Either Pakistan finally kills the militants and shuts all terrorist militant camps from all areas under its control for good or the United States should use its formidable air power and just do it for Pakistan.

The time to play games and accept Pakistan's smooth but insincere words is over, as the clear, present and ever-increasing danger of global Islamic terrorism demands action from Mr. Bush in the interest of free democracies.

VIPUL THAKORE

London
Washington Times - LETTER TO EDITOR: Pakistan's double-cross
 
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moha,

Kindly calm down, and use a serious tone. This is a serious forum and not a chat room.

Use such "dude" discussions in the members club only.

Thanks.
 
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Even if the world knew what was going on .... shouldn't he just shut up in National Interest?

He hasn't said anything against national interests. If he were a traitor he wouldn't of had given us a nuclear bomb. But I do agree with you that this case is closed ad it should remain this way before it leads to something much worse.
 
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He hasn't said anything against national interests. If he were a traitor he wouldn't of had given us a nuclear bomb. But I do agree with you that this case is closed ad it should remain this way before it leads to something much worse.

Well there was more to Pakistani nuclear program than just A Q Khan.

Here is a good article:




The credit for two best known cases of smuggling a nuclear scientist out from another country goes to Israel’s Mossad and Pakistan’s ISI. Pakistanis understand the game that targets them today.



By AHMED QURAISHI

Sunday, 6 July 2008.

Ahmed Quraishi-Pakistan/Middle East politics, Iraq war, lebanon war, India Pakistan relations



ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—Dr. A. Q. Khan, Pakistan’s notorious nuclear scientist, is under threat of being kidnapped and bundled out of the country in a joint Israeli-American operation that could take the lid off Pakistan’s massive nuclear and strategic arsenal.



Pakistani security officials went on red alert in the last week of June 2008 after receiving information that Israel’s Mossad, possibly in a joint operation with some elements from CIA, is planning to kidnap Dr. Khan, who lives in a house in an Islamabad suburb, and take him out of the country. The officials are tightlipped about the source of the information.



This possibility is literally Pakistan’s worst nuclear nightmare. All Pakistani scientists, technicians and other special staffers, retired and serving, working on the strategic weapons programs, follow security procedures to avert this possibility. Dr. Khan is the only retired senior scientist who is currently trying to break out of these procedures, creating a risk both for himself and for Pakistan. Islamabad has done a lot to protect him from foreign hands.



Dr. Khan no longer holds official access to Pakistan’s strategic facilities but is considered to be a treasure trove of information on Pakistan’s missile and strategic weapons, especially the two areas that bear his fingerprints: uranium enrichment technology and the development of Pakistan’s long range, nuclear capable Ghauri missile series.



The threat to Dr. Khan is part of a larger dilemma facing Islamabad these days concerning how to deal with the retired scientist. The government wants to relax his security detail assigned to him since his 2004 confession to running a clandestine proliferation network and the subsequent presidential pardon. The government wants to do this in order to calm the Pakistani public opinion that continues to see Dr. Khan as a mistreated national hero.



But the other side of the coin is the fact that Dr. Khan is privy to critical and classified information. There is no known threat to his life but he faces a real possibility of being kidnapped and shipped out of Pakistan to be debriefed by foreign interrogators. One Pakistani official puts this dilemma facing the Pakistani government this way, ‘How can we take a chance with this kind of a personality?’



Making matters worse is Dr. Khan himself, who has intensified his campaign of blackmailing the government into withdrawing his security detail and set him free of any security. Pakistani officials say Dr. Khan is a free man but that assigning him a security detail is based on threat assessments done by professionals.



There is also fresh information now that shows that the Pakistani government may not exactly be the ‘bad guy’ that Dr. Khan has portrayed in his recent interviews, and that there is more to his story than meets the eye.



Recently, Dr. Khan exploited the relaxed security around him to give explosive interviews to the media to embarrass the Pakistani government and get back at the man who forced the scientist to admit his mistakes: President Musharraf.



The interviews further ruined the government’s image before ordinary Pakistanis and increased sympathy for Dr. Khan, who remains a national hero and has an impeccable record of serving his nation the best he could.



Amazingly, Pakistani officials allowed Dr. Khan to vent his anger until Dr. Khan finally did something that sent shockwaves even among his sympathizers. He raised alarm bells domestically and eyebrows internationally by accusing Pakistan of supplying uranium enrichment equipment to North Korea in a shipment in 2000 that he said was approved by President Musharraf and the Pakistani military.



The information in the case cited by Dr. Khan was factually incorrect and Dr. Khan tried to retract and explain. But even if it was true, many Pakistanis who sympathized with him were shocked to see him come this far to settle score with President Musharraf, knowing that his statement could bring the kind of international pressure on Pakistan that Iran’s nuclear program is facing these days. ‘This is no less than a suicide attack against the State of Pakistan,’ according to Zaid Hamid, a Pakistani defense analyst.



The anticipated negative fallout from Dr. Khan’s reckless recent interviews is expected to fall within the following five broad categories:



1. There was some concern in Islamabad that Dr. Khan’s statement could prompt fresh American pressure to allow foreign access to Dr. Khan.



2. The statement also plays right into the hands of some lobbies in Washington that have been promoting the idea of destroying Pakistani nukes through a military strike.



3. The statements reinforce the propaganda of some American lobbies that Pakistan is a nation falling apart that cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons.



4. The biggest damage so far is that the A. Q. Khan story has come back from the dead. Islamabad’s successful handling of the proliferation issue in the past four years had ‘closed’ this chapter for good. The A. Q. Khan statements reopen the chapter and may create new problems for Pakistan when the country is beset by instability.



5. A weak and incapable government in Islamabad at this time means that there is no one in the country who can stand up to a renewed international pressure that could result from Dr. Khan’s statements.



It goes to President Musharraf’s credit that he resisted and delicately handled the crisis that erupted over Dr. Khan in 2004. He bluntly refused American demands to hand over Dr. Khan to international interrogators and pardoned him without any punishment. Some analysts believe that Musharraf’s non-cooperation on this count was one of the reasons that convinced Washington to weaken Musharraf and try to replace him with a more flexible Benazir Bhutto.



Pakistan has firmly told everyone that Dr. Khan’s case is ‘closed.’ But the worrying aspect is that with a strongly pro-American PPP government in Islamabad, whose ambassador in Washington is keen to promote U.S. views and whose party cochairman, Mr. Asif Zardari, has used his recent international tour to confirm the presence of terrorist camps inside Pakistan, there is no towering politician or statesman left in the Pakistani capital who can come forward now and boldly defend the Pakistani position.



Alarmingly, Dr. Khan has moved the Pakistani Supreme Court to force the government to remove all security detail assigned to him. This obviously crosses a red line.



That is why Lt. Gen. Khalid Kidwai, the director of the Strategic Plans Division, which oversees the strategic weapons programs, came out on Saturday in Islamabad to say that Pakistan will protect its interest at any cost.



“There are international threats … [Dr. Khan] is being simplistic in his approach,” Gen. Kidwai told a group of Pakistani journalists during a special briefing over the weekend in Islamabad.



Although the days of the Cold War, with their intelligence intrigues, are behind us, the history of nuclear espionage and the stories of the kidnappings and mysterious disappearances of nuclear scientists are too serious and too fresh to be ignored.



Early last year, an Iranian scientist, Ardeshire Hassanpour, mysteriously died in Isfahan, Iran. He was connected to the Natanz nuclear facility which is under international spotlight. Reports suggested he was either killed by the Israeli Mossad or was eliminated by the Iranian government after he was found communicating with either American or Israeli agents. In either situation, this is a fresh and clear case that Pakistan’s immediate region is abuzz with covert activity targeting nuclear scientists and installations.



Interestingly, the credit for two of the best known cases of kidnapping a nuclear scientist and taking him to another country goes to Israel’s Mossad and Pakistan’s ISI. The Pakistani intelligence agency smuggled Dr. A. Q. Khan out from Europe to Pakistan, not to mention that it ran a clandestine operation for the purchase of prohibited equipment and recruitment of nuclear experts and technicians. So, it is safe to say that officials in Islamabad know what they are dealing with. And thus the threat perception [the chances of an A.Q. Khan kidnap] is not exaggerated.



On Sept. 30, 1986, Mossad drugged and smuggled out the rogue Israeli nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu while he was en route in a plane from London to Rome. Vanunu was a disgruntled former employee of the Israeli nuclear program. In revenge, he handed over pictures and sensitive information to a British newspaper.



For those who think the Pakistani government is not fair to Dr. Khan, they should see what the Israeli government did to Vanunu.



According to a U.S. Web report, ‘Mordechai Vanunu spent 18 years in prison, including more than 11 years in solitary confinement. Vanunu was released from prison in 2004, subject to a broad array of restrictions on his speech and movement. Since then he has been briefly arrested several times for multiple violations of those restrictions, including giving various interviews to foreign journalists and attempting to leave Israel. In July 2007, Vanunu was sentenced to a further six months' imprisonment for speaking to foreigners and for traveling to Bethlehem.’



In comparison, Dr. Khan is not in detention. He is at his home with his family. He carries a cell phone, along with his family members. Recently, he has been allowed to take meals at restaurants, with some restrictions pertaining to timings in view of Dr. Khan’s security. The Pakistani authorities have been so generous with Dr. Khan that recently he has been free to give telephone and written interviews without any problem, which indicates that his telephone calls and written exchanges are not monitored or censored.



At no point did any Pakistani official misbehave with Dr. Khan. The reason for this generosity is that Dr. Khan might have wronged by getting involved in the proliferation business and self-enrichment, but he remains a man who served his nation well.



Lt. Gen. Kidwai of the Strategic Plans Division (SPD) and Gen. Ihsan-ul-Haq, the former head of the ISI, who questioned Dr. Khan in ten different ‘sittings’ back in 2004 always addressed Dr. Khan as ‘sir’ as a sign of respect.



The evidence of wrongdoing against the prominent scientist was so strong and damning that Dr. Khan changed his testimony from an initial denial to stopping at one point to say, ‘Enough is enough. Please ask the President to pardon me.’



Gen. Kidwai and the ISI chief conveyed to President Musharraf that Dr. Khan wanted to apologize and seek a pardon. ‘This is not personal,’ President Musharraf reportedly said, ‘He should apologize to the nation.’



This is where the idea for the famous television apology came up. The National Command Authority, the main federal agency in charge of the strategic assets and the parent organization of SPD, prepared an initial draft and handed a copy to Dr. Khan for his input. The process of finalizing the draft apology took at least three to four days as the draft of the apology letter ran back and forth between the officials and Dr. Khan, who made corrections to the draft with his own pen. This draft copy is available with the officials and contradicts Dr. Khan’s recent complaint that ‘a letter of apology was thrust in his hands at the President’s office and he was asked to read it on television.’



Now Islamabad is considering presenting the evidence against Dr. Khan before a limited group of neutral Pakistanis. The evidence cannot be made public due to the sensitivity of the information. But if Dr. Khan manages to convince the Pakistani court that he needs to be freed of all security around him, then the government will come forward with the evidence before a group of prominent Pakistanis in a closed door exercise. The purpose is to prove that Dr. Khan is not as innocent as he says he is, and, second, to ensure he retains the security detail provided to him in order to protect him from possible threats, including the reports of an Israeli-style kidnapping.



Pakistani authorities have a legal document that Dr. Khan approved. The document indicates that the presidential pardon was conditional on Dr. Khan not jeopardizing national secrets and provided that no new information emerges on his proliferation activities beyond what he has already confessed.



As for the latest report on a possible plan to kidnap Dr. Khan and take him outside Pakistan, it is not clear where the information came from. Officials are tightlipped. Islamabad closely monitors Indian activities in the region and there is evidence that Indian intelligence operatives in the past have tried to volunteer information on Pakistani nuclear sites to Israel and to certain Pakistan-averse lobbies in the United States.



But Pakistan’s nuclear and strategic weapons programs remain on a strong footing. The image of instability is the result of a political failure on the part of the political class in the country.



The military resolve remains intact. In fact, voices are rising now that say that Pakistan should not be apologetic about its past cooperation with North Korea. Islamabad is not signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and its cooperation with North Korea was within the parameters of Pakistan’s own legitimate security and defense considerations and did not break any international law.



Any past and future Pakistani cooperation with the United States or the IAEA remains confined to two red lines set by Islamabad: One, no one can question Pakistan about the origins of its nuclear and strategic weapons programs, and, Two, Pakistan will not discuss at any level its nuclear cooperation with friends and allies. Iran and North Korea are the only exception because the two nations are already involved in multilateral talks about their programs.
 
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