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Amid deteriorating relations between Turkey and Israel, which have come as Ankara increasingly distances itself from the Western bloc in its foreign policy, Washginton and Tel Aviv have held talks regarding the provision of the F-35 to the Turkish Air Force. With Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan having called Israel a ‘terrorist state’ engaged in ‘genocide,’ and the Islamist oriented leader threatening economic sanctions against Tel Aviv over the conduct of its military in recent conflicts with Palestinian factions supported by Turkey, relations between the two countries are increasingly hostile. Israel has as a result sought to ensure that should Turkey be delivered F-35 stealth fighters by the United States, of which the Turkish Air Force is expected to order up to 120 for its fleet, more than twice the number set to serve in the Israeli Air Force, these fighters will be less capable than its own. For Israel retaining qualitative advantage over its potential adversaries, Turkey now included, is essential, and the country has as a result called on the United States to deny Turkey cutting edge performance enhancing software for its fighters.

Calls from Israel to restrict sales of the F-35 to Turkey to downgraded variants using older software, which will be less capable than its own or those fielded by Western powers, come amid widespread calls in the United States to deny Ankara the new stealth platform entirely. This came as a result of both Turkey’s divergent foreign policy from that of the Western bloc, its increasingly close ties to Russia, and its choice of a Russian made S-400 air defence platform over Western made alternatives. On May 24th the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee released details of its draft of annual defence policy bill, which strongly supported blocking the delivery of the F-35 to Turkey in response to its choice to purchase the Russian missile platform. U.S. Senator James Lankford stated regarding the sale of the F-35 to Turkey: “Our concern is that Turkey is going through a very dramatic transition as a country. Turkey has gone a long way from being a NATO ally and an important partner in working against terrorism, to the situation today,” noting that the country was not behaving as an ally ought to.

Senator Lankford further stated regarding Turkey’s lack of reliability as a client for U.S. arms that America had "no hesitation with Israel. When we give them the F-35 or other military equipment, we know how they will use it. We know what they will and won't do. I'm not sure we can say the same about Turkey." He further stated regarding the importance of maintaining the Israeli technological advantage: "No one here has any doubt that Israel prefers to stay the only country in the region that has these attack capabilities. The Israelis know how to make that clear, in their own ways.” The Senator was one of many lawmakers to express such sentiments. U.S. Congressman David Cicilline, citing Turkey’s “thuggish, reprehensible behaviour,” proposed a bill in the House of Representatives to ban the sale of the F-35 to Ankara.

Turkey’s continued support for the Palestinian militant group Hamas, designated a terrorist organisation by the Untied States and Israel, and its independence in conducting foreign policy which often conflicts with the interests of both the Western Bloc and Tel Aviv, could well disqualify it from the F-35 program. It remains critical to consider however that the F-35 in the Turkish Air Force would pose a limited threat to both Western and Israeli interests, as Turkey would remain severely restricted in how it employs the U.S. made fighters. The F-35’s heavy reliance on Western made parts and software, combined with its extreme maintenance requirements, would severely restrict the Turkish Air Force’s ability to operate it independently should the U.S. seek to ground the fleet. In a potential war with Israel, as unlikely as such a prospect seems today, Turkey’s F-35 fleet would most likely be left inoperable within weeks should the Western bloc side with Israel - more than compensating for the Israeli numerical disadvantage and leaving the stealth fighter a near useless asset in Turkish hands. Compounding this Turkey's lack of air superiority capabilities, with no heavy fighters in service analogous to the Israeli F-15C, means the Israeli Air Force will retain a critical advantage in a potential air war between the two powers - with the lighter F-35 poorly suited to an air superiority role for which it was never designed.


http://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/70652#hola
 
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Turkish industry is able to upgrade US made F-16 fighters to latest generation standarts in terms of avionics, mission computer, IFF and self protection suits. In ths aspect, Discussing about likely downgraded variant F-35 fighters to Turkey While Turkish industry is also working as partner of this aircraft is nonsense. Downgraded variant may be possible for some gulf states but not possible for Turkey.
 
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Turkey Wants to Link Its F-35 Computer Brains to Networks That Will Include Russian System
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...to-networks-that-will-include-russian-systems
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...to-networks-that-will-include-russian-systems
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...to-networks-that-will-include-russian-systems
"There is also the possibility the United States could use ALIS in the future as an unprecedented export control. It could allow Lockheed Martin, at the direction of the U.S. government, to disconnect a country’s F-35s from vital updates and potentially disrupting the jets’ operational capabilities remotely, if necessary. American authorities might also be able to use the network as a vector for a cyber attack to more completely disable to the aircraft.

For Turkey, as with the other countries pursuing national-level solutions to these data sharing and sovereignty issues, the main problem is that they will all still have to use ALIS in the day-to-day operation of their F-35s. So far, only Israel has managed secure the rights from Lockheed Martin to install its own software on the jets that would allow it to operate independently of the company’s cloud-based network."

* Automated Logistics Information System (ALIS)
 
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Turkey Wants to Link Its F-35 Computer Brains to Networks That Will Include Russian System
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...to-networks-that-will-include-russian-systems
"There is also the possibility the United States could use ALIS in the future as an unprecedented export control. It could allow Lockheed Martin, at the direction of the U.S. government, to disconnect a country’s F-35s from vital updates and potentially disrupting the jets’ operational capabilities remotely, if necessary. American authorities might also be able to use the network as a vector for a cyber attack to more completely disable to the aircraft.

For Turkey, as with the other countries pursuing national-level solutions to these data sharing and sovereignty issues, the main problem is that they will all still have to use ALIS in the day-to-day operation of their F-35s. So far, only Israel has managed secure the rights from Lockheed Martin to install its own software on the jets that would allow it to operate independently of the company’s cloud-based network."

* Automated Logistics Information System (ALIS)
Do they need a license to install new software .
Its like you say if you buy that computer with windows software then you need a new license to install linux on it.
 
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turkey should get out of the program and either buy Chinese jet or make its own jet with the help of Russians.
it would be better if turkey become part of the program India left.
 
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Do they need a license to install new software .
Its like you say if you buy that computer with windows software then you need a new license to install linux on it.
Yes they need.
 
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Do they need a license to install new software .
Its like you say if you buy that computer with windows software then you need a new license to install linux on it.
Yes they do otherwise they will not be allowed further upgrades and future purchases of other military equipments
 
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Turkey Wants to Link Its F-35 Computer Brains to Networks That Will Include Russian System
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...to-networks-that-will-include-russian-systems
"There is also the possibility the United States could use ALIS in the future as an unprecedented export control. It could allow Lockheed Martin, at the direction of the U.S. government, to disconnect a country’s F-35s from vital updates and potentially disrupting the jets’ operational capabilities remotely, if necessary. American authorities might also be able to use the network as a vector for a cyber attack to more completely disable to the aircraft.

For Turkey, as with the other countries pursuing national-level solutions to these data sharing and sovereignty issues, the main problem is that they will all still have to use ALIS in the day-to-day operation of their F-35s. So far, only Israel has managed secure the rights from Lockheed Martin to install its own software on the jets that would allow it to operate independently of the company’s cloud-based network."

* Automated Logistics Information System (ALIS)
"disrupting the jets’ operational capabilities remotely" well it's a serious issue ... how much it could be disturbed remotely? could it ground the entire fleet?
 
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It will be a shocking surprise for me if US okey giving TR F-35 fighters dedpite of strict objections of Israel.

Because, Both currently and next future Israel no see any country as a grave military threat but Turkey in the Middle East.

Many Arab monarchies and dictator regimes have already sold Palestanians in return of protecting their power by West and Israel..
Now, Erdogan government is alone but determinedly go on supporting Palestanians...

To me having F-35 for Turkey is a very weak possibility as much as a sweet dream.. very wishing to be sliped Up in the future.

Even i will be no surprized if some West vassal Arab gulf countries have F-35 very far befor Turkey.
 
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Yes they do otherwise they will not be allowed further upgrades and future purchases of other military equipments
Is there in the contract , Thou Shall not Modify the software ,on your plan ?
the worst think I can think of is that they'll not get any new software for them anymore
 
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