Downgraded Version for Turkey? Israel and U.S. Hold Talks on Withholding Vital F-35 Software From An

[Timur]

as I alwys said.. we need our own network without nato and not hardware compatible with nato.. a hidden network

 

[My-Analogous]

It will be a shocking surprise for me if US okey giving TR F-35 fighters dedpite of strict objections of Israel.

Because, Both currently and next future Israel no see any country as a grave military threat but Turkey in the Middle East.

Many Arab monarchies and dictator regimes have already sold Palestanians in return of protecting their power by West and Israel..
Now, Erdogan government is alone but determinedly go on supporting Palestanians...

To me having F-35 for Turkey is a very weak possibility as much as a sweet dream.. very wishing to be sliped Up in the future.

Even i will be no surprized if some West vassal Arab gulf countries have F-35 very far befor Turkey.

Are you referring UAE?

 

[500]

whats about european orders for f35.. does this bullying not affect others to buy?

F-35 is the only stealth fight available. If you want to have a strong air force F-35 is must have.

 

[Timur]

F-35 is the only stealth fight available. If you want to have a strong air force F-35 is must have.

germany and france are defenitifly not buying f35 they will work on a nex gen aircraft.. england and sweden are cooperating in this field together.. my thoughts are it could affect others to wait for german/french or english/swedish alternative or to buy eurofighters.. because of trumps behavior..

israel will definitifly have no problem thats shure..

but how does look for excample for Italy?

 

[500]

germany and france are defenitifly not buying f35 they will work on a nex gen aircraft.. england and sweden are cooperating in this field together.. my thoughts are it could affect others to wait for german/french or english/swedish alternative or to buy eurofighters.. because of trumps behavior..

israel will definitifly have no problem thats shure..

but how does look for excample for Italy?

German air force is a dead horse. France always developed fighters alone, but i highly doubt they will be able to develop stealth fighter alone. In Italy populist government was just elected, sooner they will come back to senses.

 

[cabatli_53]

Your English is as good as your moronic "arguments". It's quite shocking that you are the Turkish moderator but maybe this is very reflective of what has been going on in Turkey under Erdogan's rule and in particular in recent years.

I find it funny that a countryman of the biggest Western lapdog in the Muslim world (Turkey), a NATO member (a country that only became a NATO member to save it from being swallowed up or becoming a satellite state of the USSR), a country that has been begging to join the EU for 40+ years but has no prospect of joining it despite being economically dependent on the EU, a country whose entire "indigenous" defense industry was and is dependent (to a large degree) by your puppet masters (using your logic), which in other words are the West.

Combining all those facts above and the conclusion is simple. Your post is extremely laughable and hypocritical.

It's not called the "most advanced fighter eagle" for fun or for "marketing purposes" (as your tiny brain imagines) but due to the tech is carries. The price is not much greater than what you pay but as usual I don't expect an ignorant to know anything about this contradictory claim of yours.

Which Saudi Arabian fighter jet have been dawned in Yemen and let alone by 1950's technology? Can the genius, that barely is able to write a coherent sentence in English, educate us all here or is it more bullshitting from your part as usual?

No, indeed, there is no reason to waste my time on you.

@The SC @Gomig-21 @Frogman @OutOfAmmo etc.

Personal attack, insulting and crying while calling your gangs to back your pathetic excuses is not about actual subject in this thread. Close your dirty mouth If you don’t have any point to defend your cowards’ policy that is being coordinated/milked by US. Guilty is not Turks. We just have popcorns watching your dictators How they converted Arabian lands into desperate states’ garbage to strenghten their seats with gaining external help in the orbit of US. Selling dignity is popular among you and a few desperate like you are daily raising voice to defend them in forums. You are daily talking How your money buys everything “best”, while staying behind almost everthing in R&d, technology, science, trade and even the personnal but ypu want people to talk How Turks receive downgraded variants while milked Saudis always buy the best. In fact, You have just black oil and arrogance to tell people How the World turns around you but actual image in public mind is downed Saudi sophisticated figters with obsolete Yemeni missiles, fleed land vehicles against militants wearing sandals and You suppose Turks will believe on what you are babbling? We have a saying in Turkish, “Sieee”


@waz, @The Eagle

 

[xenon54 out]

In my personal experience Russians treat others far better than Americans treat others. Even if Russia has a base in Turkey, they won't mistreat Turks like Americans do. Americans threaten others if they don't obey Americans. Russians are friendly. Afghans loved Russians when they were stationed in Afghanistan to defend the Russia backed Democratic Republic of Afghanistan against Islamist rebels.

Turks decided to have American bases and rely on Americans instead of having Russian bases and rely on Russians like Syrians do, then they might as well find out how bad Americans really are.

Your personal experience? Did soviets invade your home and made breakfast for you?
Ask the former soviet republics how they have been treated.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Your personal experience? Did soviets invade your home and made breakfast for you?
Ask the former soviet republics how they have been treated.

Soviets never invaded another country. Name 1. Afghanistan does not count because Democratic Republic of Afghanistan requested Soviet military assistance. America never invaded Vietnam either because of similar case.

 

[xenon54 out]

Soviets never invaded another country. Name 1. Afghanistan does not count because Democratic Republic of Afghanistan requested Soviet military assistance. America never invaded Vietnam either because of similar case.

Lol, all former soviet republics joined by free will i guess.
Im not a history expert but i can tell you about the one thats most known to me.

By March 1920, it was obvious that Soviet Russia would attack Baku. Vladimir Lenin said that the invasion was justified as Soviet Russia could not survive without Baku's oil. Independent Azerbaijan lasted only 23 months until the Bolshevik 11th Soviet Red Army invaded it, establishing the Azerbaijan SSR on 28 April 1920.



And here is a list i have found on internet, not sure how accurate but as you can see soviets werent angels either.

Countries invaded by Soviet Russia/Soviet Union/Russian Federation

• Estonia 1917
• Latvia 1918
• Lithuania 1918
• Finland 1918
• Poland 1918
• Belarus 1918
• Ukraine 1918
• Georgia 1920
• Azerbaijan 1920
• Armenia 1920
• Moldova 1918
• Central Asia 1918
• Mongolia 1921
• Georgia 1924
• Estonia 1924
• Afghanistan 1929
• China 1929
• Japan 1938
• Poland 1939
• Finland 1939
• Estonia 1940
• Latvia 1940
• Lithuania 1940
• Romania 1940
• Iran 1942
• Ukraine and Belarus 1944
• Bulgaria 1944
• Hungary 1944
• Yugoslavia 1944
• Albania 1944
• Poland 1944
• The Baltic States 1944
• Germany 1944
• Tuva 1944
• Japan 1945
• China 1945
• Korea 1950
• East Germany 1953
• Hungary 1956
• Vietnam 1960
• Czechoslovakia 1968
• China 1969
• Israel 1969
• Ethiopia 1974
• Angola 1975
• Afghanistan 1979
• Georgia 1989
• Baltic States 1990
• Georgia 1991
• Azerbaijan 1991
• Moldova 1992
• Tajikistan 1992

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

The media is a tool for the west to fool the public and also some pressure on the 3 party in the context, just like the Islam for the Islam abusers against muslims.

This is also IQ test for the members here. It would be interesting to watch who buys it here on this forum.

@cabatli_53 ... @Saif al-Arab what is the point and benefit in your ''dialog'' and for who?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Lol, all former soviet republics joined by free will i guess.
Im not a history expert but i can tell you about the one thats most known to me.

By March 1920, it was obvious that Soviet Russia would attack Baku. Vladimir Lenin said that the invasion was justified as Soviet Russia could not survive without Baku's oil. Independent Azerbaijan lasted only 23 months until the Bolshevik 11th Soviet Red Army invaded it, establishing the Azerbaijan SSR on 28 April 1920.



And here is a list i have found on internet, not sure how accurate but as you can see soviets werent angels either.

Countries invaded by Soviet Russia/Soviet Union/Russian Federation

• Estonia 1917
• Latvia 1918
• Lithuania 1918
• Finland 1918
• Poland 1918
• Belarus 1918
• Ukraine 1918
• Georgia 1920
• Azerbaijan 1920
• Armenia 1920
• Moldova 1918
• Central Asia 1918
• Mongolia 1921
• Georgia 1924
• Estonia 1924
• Afghanistan 1929
• China 1929
• Japan 1938
• Poland 1939
• Finland 1939
• Estonia 1940
• Latvia 1940
• Lithuania 1940
• Romania 1940
• Iran 1942
• Ukraine and Belarus 1944
• Bulgaria 1944
• Hungary 1944
• Yugoslavia 1944
• Albania 1944
• Poland 1944
• The Baltic States 1944
• Germany 1944
• Tuva 1944
• Japan 1945
• China 1945
• Korea 1950
• East Germany 1953
• Hungary 1956
• Vietnam 1960
• Czechoslovakia 1968
• China 1969
• Israel 1969
• Ethiopia 1974
• Angola 1975
• Afghanistan 1979
• Georgia 1989
• Baltic States 1990
• Georgia 1991
• Azerbaijan 1991
• Moldova 1992
• Tajikistan 1992

All of those were already part of the Russian empire before Communists came onto the scene. As for East Germany, USSR sacrificed millions of soldiers to beat Hitler so they had a right to East Germany just as the US had a right to West Germany. It was a negotiated deal between America and USSR.

 

[xenon54 out]

All of those were already part of the Russian empire before Communists came onto the scene. As for East Germany, USSR sacrificed millions of soldiers to beat Hitler so they had a right to East Germany just as the US had a right to West Germany. It was a negotiated deal between America and USSR.

All of those were part of Russia? In which parallel universe was that if i may ask?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

All of those were part of Russia? In which parallel universe was that if i may ask?

Russia empire was second biggest empire after British empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Personal attack, insulting and crying while calling your gangs to back your pathetic excuses is not about actual subject in this thread. Close your dirty mouth If you don’t have any point to defend your cowards’ policy that is being coordinated/milked by US. Guilty is not Turks. We just have popcorns watching your dictators How they converted Arabian lands into desperate states’ garbage to strenghten their seats with gaining external help in the orbit of US. Selling dignity is popular among you and a few desperate like you are daily raising voice to defend them in forums. You are daily talking How your money buys everything “best”, while staying behind almost everthing in R&d, technology, science, trade and even the personnal but ypu want people to talk How Turks receive downgraded variants while milked Saudis always buy the best. In fact, You have just black oil and arrogance to tell people How the World turns around you and You suppose Turks will believe on what you are babbling? We have a saying in Turkish, “Sieee”


@waz, @The Eagle

More incoherent nonsense from the "moderator" (LOL) and as usual not a single sane counterargument against the facts that I wrote.

It must have hurt you deeply since you gave me an negative rating (as if I care even the slightest )

Well in Arabic we have a few words about your likes (hypocrites) but it's better left unsaid otherwise you will cry again.

BTW don't worry about Arabs. You are, with all due respect, an ant in comparison on almost every single field (landmass, population, economic size, potential, military force, resources, scientific output etc.).

For all your barking against Arab countries the reality is that you are incapable of doing anything other than meddling in tiny Afrin and Al-Bab in a war-torn country and building some military base in Barzanistan in Northern Iraq also due to that country's unfortunate history post 2003. Or in fact post 1991 (no fly zone) but you can keep barking on the internet and showcasing your "indigenous results" ,all based on the same Western technology, that the Arab states have begun to work on similarly with, just later. Big deal.

Anyway speaking about puppets, I may also add (aside from the facts that I wrote) that you should call me the next time Arab armies are dying for the sake of Westerners in freaking Korea almost 10.000 km away (if not as cannon fodder), are following Americans when they invade Afghanistan in 2001 and are barking against Israel while recognizing it since forever and having close ties with it.

Or which entity that has negative trade ties with the same West unlike KSA and other Arab countries that you obsess with that have had a surplus for decades?

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/middle-east/north-africa/saudi-arabia

Now the puppet is being threatened by sanctions on Twitter (LOL) by the president of the most powerful country, while a supposed ally, and you talk about shame and being a puppet.

Your supposed ally (USA) is arming Kurds in your backyard and you cannot do anything against it. So who is the puppet here?

It's almost as if you are projecting your own history of being a bigger Western lapdog (using your logic) on the people (Arabs) that have fought and done most harm against the same West and its regional extension (Israel). Oh, the irony.

Flying doesn't require deep technological expertise, it's just using a developed product. Flying is easy. Hence your argument is flawed and incorrect, once again hating on Arabs.

3 or 4 Pakistani volunteers (pilots) out of 1000's of Arab pilots and the turds conclusion is that "Arab air forces are being flown by Pakistanis" (LOL), when almost every Arab air force predates the foundation of Pakistan as a country.

Welcome to PDF.

Compared to whom?

If you are representing Turkey and bringing the case here that they are far superior militarily tell me which wars have shown that? It's easy to laugh at others in war whilst you're not in war.

As for flying it indeed is easy, every country, nationality, ethnicity can wield an air force and pilot a combat aircraft. It's just that pilot/fighter pilot has always been regarded as 'high status' thus we value it like we value doctors. It's the engineering that is difficult and only few are capable of that.

They invaded tiny Northern Cyprus (LOL) and supposedly "won a war" against tiny 10 million big and bankrupt Greece (even much less people 40+ years ago) that was and is located much farther away from Cyprus than Turkey and that's about it. Compare this with the 3.5 year long ongoing war in Yemen for instance or what just 1 Arab country, Iraq, has faced in those 40 years alone (2 wars against the world's superpower and a war against Iran). It's a joke.

Here on PDF those clowns are threatening 100 million big Egypt with an invasion. The same clowns are talking about invading Northern Iraq and Eastern Syria. They are living in La La Land I believe. I even saw a turd threatening KSA and arming the Houthi terrorist cult. It seems that living in Erdogan land has polluted their brains.

 

[cabatli_53]

More incoherent nonsense from the "moderator" (LOL) and as usual not a single sane counterargument against the facts that I wrote.

Moderation of Turkish section is not about your concern so don’t put your nose into the subject you don’t have any idea. Just concantrate more to type long bombastic statements like useless jobless trolls to defend your puppets and search anything to type on net. Counter-argument is given to debunk a clever mentality. You are a racist deaperate troll who deserves to be made fun of you. I said Many times I don’t give a penny about you and your arguments but this time You insulted me with a bad mouth and You will receive what you deserve with penalty.

It must have hurt you deeply since you gave me an negative rating (as if I care even the slightest )

Negative rating is mostly given to idiotic responses which includes open insults, personal attacks and It seems you feel yourself something important to hurt me with your arguments? You are a paranoid indeed. Who asked you whether you care negative rating or not? You have just received one and That’s it. Stop crying.

Well in Arabic we have a few words about your likes (hypocrites) but it's better left unsaid otherwise you will cry again.

Don’t worry, what I typed about yourself is the lowest of lowest. Don’t make me talk about How Turkish language describe Idiots and Morons with clever words in same sentences.

BTW don't worry about Arabs. You are, with all due respect, an ant in comparison on almost every single field (landmass, population, economic size, potential, military force, resources, scientific output etc.).

Who care Arabs? You are busy with killing eachother thanks to weapons purchased from same adresses. When you stop killing eachother, US joins the dance to kill more. What I care is about my country, my advancement and my developments so I want my government to stay away from thousands of different Arabian gargage militant groups controling different square of your lands. About comparison, It is true that Collecting 6-7 oil rich state is almost equal to one Turkey so You can’t approach to put forward the name of your country against Turkey. Desperation is visible in your words.

For all your barking against Arab countries the reality is that you are incapable of doing anything other than meddling in tiny Afrin and Al-Bab in a war-torn country and building some military base in Barzanistan in Northern Iraq also due to that country's unfortunate history post 2003. Or in fact post 1991 (no fly zone) but you can keep barking on the internet and showcasing your "indigenous results" ,all based on the same Western technology, that the Arab states have begun to work on similarly with, just later. Big deal.

Dog barks and they mostly bark when they entered into other’s territory. You are inside of a Turkey related thread with false accusation about Turkey and Your barking and crying is inside of top5 in PDF history but Most interesting part of your barking is about your strength assessment about Turkish Army with putting forward latest succesfull military operations carried out in N.Iraq and N. Syria. After living hundreds of years under the rule of Turks, An idiot is coming here to underestimate the strength of Turkish Army with a criteria of the size of area controlled in last operations as If Turks are new in history and first time applied a military operation against an enemy. Our borders are not drawn on table delusional boy. Ask to your grand fathers and mothers about Turks. They will tell you from good old days. Military service is a tradition in Turkish Army. Your fancy toys don’t make you get a victory. 8-10 Arab state with “most advanced” defence toys can not control Yemen since years. Same Arab armies lost against tiny Israel but you pathetic boy coming here to compare yourself with Turkish Army while underestimating Turkish operations.

Besides, Our “indigenous results” are the one you can just see in your dreams. As I said, Money doesn’t talk when It is about deep critical technologies. You just screw the bolds in your assembly institutes and delude yourself with made in KSA words. That is what you can do when It is about deep technologies. You will learn...

Anyway speaking about puppets, I may also add (aside from the facts that I wrote) that you should call me the next time Arab armies are dying for the sake of Westerners in freaking Korea almost 10.000 km away (if not as cannon fodder), are following Americans when they invade Afghanistan in 2001 and are barking against Israel while recognizing it since forever and having close ties with it.

That is what we call as brotherhood. That is an epic story which was eracted monuments, filmed in both Korea and Turkey. That is the reason we call eachother as blood-brothers. Those are the things that you can never get. It is the reason You lost your dignity for the shake of your seats and wealth. You don’t need to go 10000km away to save your brothers. You can not even move your arm against your brothers staying hundreds of km away who were butchered by Israel, instead you are trying to butcher your own brothers in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and Qatar thanks to weapons supplied by US. That is what we call as dishonour. In Afghanistan, Turkey as a part of NaTO stay in there for peace forces. We didn’t fire a single bullet in there. In Iraq operations of US, Turkey was the one who rejected US troops to be deployed in Turkey. In Bosnia, Turkey actively participated in operations to protect Muslim Bosnian brothers against Serbians. If you want to find the actual meaning of being puppet, you should take a look of actvties of your honourless puppets who is dancing with Trump.

Or which entity that has negative trade ties with the same West unlike KSA and other Arab countries that you obsess with that have had a surplus for decades?

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/middle-east/north-africa/saudi-arabia

What goods you or other Arab countries can export to US out of petrol and a few agricultural things that you are talking about import/export rates between US to make a self justification? How type a disappointment you are... What you share is actually a self humiliation without any doubt. you suppose playing around the words will make you gain some credit but you are a failed troll.

Now the puppet is being threatened by sanctions on Twitter (LOL) by the president of the most powerful country, while a supposed ally, and you talk about shame and being a puppet.

Think the differences. If It was Saudi Arabia which was threatened by your masters, You would have sh@ted in your pants; arrange a big scale meeting to dance with Trump to give another hundreds of billion $ deal as bribe to save your back. That is the differences betwen honouslesses and big states ruled with public wishes that we call as democracy.

Your supposed ally (USA) is arming Kurds in your backyard and you cannot do anything against it. So who is the puppet here?

and this make Turkey a puppet? Turkish Army eatablished a base in Qatar while you were threatening of Qatar with war. Same days, your master US is also supporting puppets against Qatar but What can you do against Qatar? That makes you a puppet of Turkey? Such arguments are what we call as being a clown!