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More than two months after the raid by U.S. Navy SEALS on the Abbottabad compound of Osama bin Laden, the relationship between the United States and Pakistan is at its lowest point in the almost six decades of a rocky, on-again-off-again alliance. The United States has suspended some $800 million in military aid, and the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, is traveling to Pakistan this week for what is certain to be a chilly meeting with his counterpart, Pakistani Army Chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.

Maybe these developments are not altogether bad, for amid this turmoil the leaders of both countries, if not their vocal populations, are beginning to understand that a new, interests-based regional partnership must be forged before some political point of no return is crossed. Pakistan and the United States need a new paradigm for cooperation, one that will not only guide the bilateral relationship through the endgame in Afghanistan, but also influence Pakistani and U.S. policies in an Indian Ocean region on the verge of a new Great Game for mineral resources and economic domination.

The main players in that game are India and China; the prizes are Afghan and Pakistani resources and overland trade routes to the Arabian Sea. The United States' role is important, even critical, but it is as yet undefined by American political leaders. Ultimately, the United States may have to shift part of its security and political focus from its Atlantic relationships to the Indian Ocean region.

The mineral resources of Afghanistan and Pakistan -- copper, gold, rare-earth elements, iron, the list goes on -- will play a major role in driving the hungry Chinese and Indian economies through the 21st century. Afghan minerals alone, valued by the U.S. Geological Survey conservatively at about $1 trillion, could follow a natural route south from Afghanistan through Pakistan's Baluchistan province, itself mineral rich, to the newly completed port at Gwadar on the Arabian Sea. From there, the minerals would find markets in China, India, and the West, producing along the way a greatly expanded Pakistani mining industry and transportation infrastructure, as well as tens upon tens of thousands of jobs for dangerously idle young Baluchi men.

But none of this will likely happen until Pakistan takes a bold leap into the 21st century, shedding its 1947 mindset of believing that it is just a hair trigger away from war with India and that it must at any cost be buttressed against Indian encroachment on its western flank in Afghanistan. To become a player in this new Great Game, Pakistan will first need to rework its relationship with the United States and, following that, with Afghanistan and India.

One obvious starting point will be redesigning the relationship between the CIA and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) directorate, Pakistan's most powerful intelligence agency.

During a swing through the region in June, I spent many hours with senior ISI officers in remarkably free exchanges on the relationship between their agency and its U.S. counterpart. From those meetings, I concluded that both sides view rebuilding the overall U.S.-Pakistan relationship as possible and necessary. But both sides also see this as a daunting task, one with little support from either the American or the Pakistani people. Nevertheless, with the announced withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan over the next three years, and with the development of a new American strategy for counterterrorism, the moment is right to begin overhauling the partnership.

As Gen. David Petraeus leaves Afghanistan and takes over at the CIA, one of his first tasks will be sitting down with his Pakistani counterpart, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, a man he has met in the past as commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan. The two generals are a perfect and, indeed, an even match. Petraeus goes to Langley from multiple combat commands; Pasha is an experienced combat operations commander in his own right, having led military operations in Pakistan's turbulent tribal areas. Both generals are thoughtful, perhaps even brilliant tacticians -- Pasha made Time's 2011 list of the 100 most influential people in the world -- and each has a keen sense of political imperatives. They can enter the relationship fresh; cut through the shrillness, the schoolyard taunts that characterize what is visible to the public in the current feud between their services; decide on what is worth fixing; agree on important common goals; and get to work.

They will come to their first meeting understanding the depth of CIA-ISI problems, based on hard intelligence -- on what is known. They will be able to discount the often rococo and venomous accusations and counteraccusations that form the basis of American and Pakistani public opinion. It will be a tough slog for the two generals. One example of the disconnect will be the four recent "intelligence tests" -- the passage of U.S. intelligence to Pakistan on bomb-making sites in the tribal areas and the apparent compromise of that information before military action could be taken. The "tests" are viewed by American intelligence as an example of double-dealing by the ISI. But the ISI views those same events as an American trap: Midlevel officers believe the Americans tipped off the bomb-makers to embarrass the ISI.

At their first meeting (perhaps a one-on-one without note-takers) Petraeus and Pasha will have to decide how to cut through the distractions. They will inevitably discuss such matters as:

The so-called trust deficit. In my discussions with senior ISI officers, the question of the "trust deficit" quickly arose and was equally quickly dismissed. Forget about trust, I was told. The ISI and CIA should be prepared to work together, without trust, on common interests and goals. How much was trust an underpinning of our common goal of driving Soviet forces out of Afghanistan during the 1980s?, I was pointedly asked.

In reality, institutional trust played no role. Indeed, institutional trust is not a critical element of a functioning intelligence liaison with any foreign intelligence service. In my years of working with the ISI as the CIA chief in Pakistan during the late 1980s, there was a single common goal -- get the Soviet Army out of Afghanistan. Within that narrowly defined mission there was close cooperation, even friendships that have endured to this day. On occasion I put my life in the hands of individual ISI officers, but there was never a sense of institutional trust. In executing that joint mission there were, to be sure, serious frictions as each side fused its own sovereign policy goals into the common mission -- Pakistan concentrated its assistance almost entirely on favored Pashtun elements of the Afghan resistance while the CIA strove to provide broader assistance to include other ethnic groups in northern and western Afghanistan. But as long as the primary mission remained valid for both sides and as long as progress was being made, the differences were managed. In effect, the United States and Pakistan went their own ways when their national policies demanded it, but we got along.

Pakistan-Afghanistan relations. Afghans profoundly believe that the ISI is behind most of the attacks on Afghan soil. The Kabul rumor mill already sees a Pakistani hand in the recent attack on Kabul's Intercontinental Hotel. Some of the accusations may be real; some may be a self-serving deflection of blame for security gaps on the ISI bogeyman. In discussing this issue, Pasha might relate to Petraeus a conversation he had with Afghan President Hamid Karzai in which he pointedly asked the Afghan leader which country, aside from Afghanistan, has suffered most from the Afghanistan war; which country, aside from Afghanistan, would benefit most from peace in Afghanistan; and how could Pakistan benefit from doing the things it is accused of. These are reasonable questions.

The ISI leader might also share a belated realization within the Pakistani Army that Pakistan's exclusive focus on Afghanistan's Pashtun population as Pakistan's strategic reserve on its western flank no longer makes sense, if that ever did. This Pashtun-centric policy was the unfulfillable dream of "strategic regional consensus" of late Pakistani President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, a new Mughal Empire that Zia envisioned from Ankara to Islamabad counterbalancing India to the east. Zia's dream always began with a co-opted, Pashtun-dominated Afghanistan. It was handed down to his successors at Army House over the next quarter-century, but it was as unachievable then as it is today. Pakistan's current military leaders know this. Their challenge is to convince the Pakistani population. Pakistan's military leaders understand that their country's relationship with Afghanistan must be broadened. They also know that Pakistan would ultimately find the Pashtun Taliban's return to power in Afghanistan a national disaster, one that would before long spread to India, fulfilling the prophecy of the hair-trigger event that has so occupied the Pakistani Army for decades. Afghanistan is a good starting point for Pakistan to reorder its regional relationships, and the United States can play a limited, but important role of arbiter.

North Waziristan. Pakistani Army leaders understand that this remote, mountainous region must be cleared of foreign fighters and associated groups, but it cannot now appear to succumb to American demands that the Army launch a full-scale assault on the terrorist-infested tribal agency. Pakistani military operations just launched in the Kurram agency fit with Pakistani plans to move against neighboring North Waziristan in the coming months, but any such operation must be recognized as being in Pakistan's interest to do so, not occurring because Americans have demanded it. The Pakistan Army will have fresh ideas and will expect the Americans to hear them out. An underlying concern that the Americans must overcome will be Pakistan's conviction that U.S. forces are moving toward the exits in Afghanistan. Memories of being left holding the American bag run deep. The Army leadership remembers the Soviet exit from Afghanistan in February 1989, American sanctions imposed on Pakistan the next year, the end of U.S.-Pakistan military-to-military contacts, and the Americans turning their back on Pakistan and Afghanistan for a decade. The rest is sad history.

Pakistan-India. Pakistani Army leaders understand that fundamental change is needed in Pakistan's relationship with India. The Kashmir question could be deferred indefinitely, the Army leadership is convinced, as a new relationship with India is developed and a new set of national goals for Pakistan are devised to make the country a player in the region. It is understood within the Pakistan military that India has a historically based interest in Afghanistan and that India's exploitation of Afghan mineral resources need not be a zero-sum game. Indeed, India has indicated it may be prepared to use the southern route through Pakistan's Baluchistan province for the export of iron ore from its massive mining claim at Hajigak in Afghanistan's Bamiyan province (an alternate, politically more challenging route would be from Afghanistan through Iran to the Iranian port of Chabahar on the Arabian Sea). Similarly, another economic imperative that demands Pakistan-India cooperation is a proposed 1,700-kilometer gas pipeline, TAPI, which will bring gas from the massive Dauletabad fields in Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, and into the Indian energy grid at Fazilka in India's Punjab state. TAPI, a huge, multibillion-dollar project, offers the best solution to the energy needs of all the countries on the pipeline's route, according to negotiators of the four countries involved in developing the project.

These issues of potentially vital cooperation between India and Pakistan would be difficult under any circumstances, but without a reasonably functioning U.S.-Pakistan relationship based on common interests, they may well be unachievable.

It is often said that Pakistan never misses a chance to miss a chance. If it misses this one, the world will pass it by, and its isolation will only deepen. The same may hold true for the United States. Its influence in the Indian Ocean is slipping as China and India flex their growing economic muscle. It will have to make a course correction as it approaches the end of its military enterprise in Afghanistan. Pakistan is as good a place to start as any, and the two generals, Pasha and Petraeus, might be the right players for the first step.

Don't Be Spooked by Pakistan - By Milt Bearden | Foreign Policy
 
This has to be one of the best ISI articles I've read from the perspective of an ex-CIA chief.
 
It is a good article, of course from the American perspective. My main trouble in understanding the situation in Pakistan is that there are so many conspiracy theories and conflicting accounts of who is responsible for this and that. My touchstone is the murder of Benazir Bhutto. I cannot comprehend, as someone who has lived in the USA for 65 years, how a society can see a former Prime Minister, and leading candidate in the first election after a period of military rule, killed and not quickly and relentlessly investigate and make public the facts of who was responsible, why and bring them to justice. That is, if Pakistan's society cannot even care enough about BB's killing to get to the bottom of it after, what? three years? then I have no faith that what Pakistan's government, army or news media says. It must all be power games among the elites.
 
It is a good article, of course from the American perspective. My main trouble in understanding the situation in Pakistan is that there are so many conspiracy theories and conflicting accounts of who is responsible for this and that. My touchstone is the murder of Benazir Bhutto. I cannot comprehend, as someone who has lived in the USA for 65 years, how a society can see a former Prime Minister, and leading candidate in the first election after a period of military rule, killed and not quickly and relentlessly investigate and make public the facts of who was responsible, why and bring them to justice. That is, if Pakistan's society cannot even care enough about BB's killing to get to the bottom of it after, what? three years? then I have no faith that what Pakistan's government, army or news media says. It must all be power games among the elites.
The thing is that these Politicians aka elite have looted the country over the decades.Now the people simply don't care if a Politician is killed though there was huge anger after Benazir Bhutto Death (She was VERY VERY popular in Pakistan) but Pakistanis forget everything after few weeks.A Pakistani is more worried about feeding his family then death of a politician.
 
It is a good article, of course from the American perspective. My main trouble in understanding the situation in Pakistan is that there are so many conspiracy theories and conflicting accounts of who is responsible for this and that. My touchstone is the murder of Benazir Bhutto. I cannot comprehend, as someone who has lived in the USA for 65 years, how a society can see a former Prime Minister, and leading candidate in the first election after a period of military rule, killed and not quickly and relentlessly investigate and make public the facts of who was responsible, why and bring them to justice. That is, if Pakistan's society cannot even care enough about BB's killing to get to the bottom of it after, what? three years? then I have no faith that what Pakistan's government, army or news media says. It must all be power games among the elites.

BB was killed by her own husband..thats what most pakistanis beleive.
if you read the news...demonsterations were held and people did take to the streets
on her murder.
 
We are getting off-topic here when we mention Benazir Bhutto. Okay, while at it, my thoughts: Benazir's husband may have taken some 'kick-backs' for some contracts but he was not alone and certainly not the cause of Pakistan's problems.

We have very stupid Pakistanis here who blame the alleged 'corruption' of Benazir, or even Asif Zardari's, as Pakistan's problems.

Indeed, if Benazir was alive today, Pakistan and its image would have been better off. Benazir was a towering figure in Pakistan. Her death was such a blow for Pakistan that EVEN Bharat-Rakshak members--the one forum where you can tell how much some Indians hate Pakistan--were happy that the 'soft' image of Pakistan was removed.

I REALLY pity my fellow Pakistanis who cry over a few alleged $ millions of 'corruption' by Benazir and her husband while ignoring the corruption since 1977. Little these folks know how they are playing into the hands of the ring wing Pakistanis.

Benazir Bhutto: The daughter of Pakistan: May you rest in peace.
 
But why just BB ?
They death of Liaqat Ali Khan and even Gen Zia remain shrouded in mystery......
Our whole history is full of unexplained mysteries.
 
More than two months after the raid by U.S. Navy SEALS on the Abbottabad compound of Osama bin Laden, the relationship between the United States and Pakistan is at its lowest point in the almost six decades of a rocky, on-again-off-again alliance. The United States has suspended some $800 million in military aid, and the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, is traveling to Pakistan this week for what is certain to be a chilly meeting with his counterpart, Pakistani Army Chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.

Maybe these developments are not altogether bad, for amid this turmoil the leaders of both countries, if not their vocal populations, are beginning to understand that a new, interests-based regional partnership must be forged before some political point of no return is crossed. Pakistan and the United States need a new paradigm for cooperation, one that will not only guide the bilateral relationship through the endgame in Afghanistan, but also influence Pakistani and U.S. policies in an Indian Ocean region on the verge of a new Great Game for mineral resources and economic domination.

The main players in that game are India and China; the prizes are Afghan and Pakistani resources and overland trade routes to the Arabian Sea. The United States' role is important, even critical, but it is as yet undefined by American political leaders. Ultimately, the United States may have to shift part of its security and political focus from its Atlantic relationships to the Indian Ocean region.

The mineral resources of Afghanistan and Pakistan -- copper, gold, rare-earth elements, iron, the list goes on -- will play a major role in driving the hungry Chinese and Indian economies through the 21st century. Afghan minerals alone, valued by the U.S. Geological Survey conservatively at about $1 trillion, could follow a natural route south from Afghanistan through Pakistan's Baluchistan province, itself mineral rich, to the newly completed port at Gwadar on the Arabian Sea. From there, the minerals would find markets in China, India, and the West, producing along the way a greatly expanded Pakistani mining industry and transportation infrastructure, as well as tens upon tens of thousands of jobs for dangerously idle young Baluchi men.

But none of this will likely happen until Pakistan takes a bold leap into the 21st century, shedding its 1947 mindset of believing that it is just a hair trigger away from war with India and that it must at any cost be buttressed against Indian encroachment on its western flank in Afghanistan. To become a player in this new Great Game, Pakistan will first need to rework its relationship with the United States and, following that, with Afghanistan and India.

One obvious starting point will be redesigning the relationship between the CIA and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) directorate, Pakistan's most powerful intelligence agency.

During a swing through the region in June, I spent many hours with senior ISI officers in remarkably free exchanges on the relationship between their agency and its U.S. counterpart. From those meetings, I concluded that both sides view rebuilding the overall U.S.-Pakistan relationship as possible and necessary. But both sides also see this as a daunting task, one with little support from either the American or the Pakistani people. Nevertheless, with the announced withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan over the next three years, and with the development of a new American strategy for counterterrorism, the moment is right to begin overhauling the partnership.

As Gen. David Petraeus leaves Afghanistan and takes over at the CIA, one of his first tasks will be sitting down with his Pakistani counterpart, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, a man he has met in the past as commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan. The two generals are a perfect and, indeed, an even match. Petraeus goes to Langley from multiple combat commands; Pasha is an experienced combat operations commander in his own right, having led military operations in Pakistan's turbulent tribal areas. Both generals are thoughtful, perhaps even brilliant tacticians -- Pasha made Time's 2011 list of the 100 most influential people in the world -- and each has a keen sense of political imperatives. They can enter the relationship fresh; cut through the shrillness, the schoolyard taunts that characterize what is visible to the public in the current feud between their services; decide on what is worth fixing; agree on important common goals; and get to work.

They will come to their first meeting understanding the depth of CIA-ISI problems, based on hard intelligence -- on what is known. They will be able to discount the often rococo and venomous accusations and counteraccusations that form the basis of American and Pakistani public opinion. It will be a tough slog for the two generals. One example of the disconnect will be the four recent "intelligence tests" -- the passage of U.S. intelligence to Pakistan on bomb-making sites in the tribal areas and the apparent compromise of that information before military action could be taken. The "tests" are viewed by American intelligence as an example of double-dealing by the ISI. But the ISI views those same events as an American trap: Midlevel officers believe the Americans tipped off the bomb-makers to embarrass the ISI.

At their first meeting (perhaps a one-on-one without note-takers) Petraeus and Pasha will have to decide how to cut through the distractions. They will inevitably discuss such matters as:

The so-called trust deficit. In my discussions with senior ISI officers, the question of the "trust deficit" quickly arose and was equally quickly dismissed. Forget about trust, I was told. The ISI and CIA should be prepared to work together, without trust, on common interests and goals. How much was trust an underpinning of our common goal of driving Soviet forces out of Afghanistan during the 1980s?, I was pointedly asked.

In reality, institutional trust played no role. Indeed, institutional trust is not a critical element of a functioning intelligence liaison with any foreign intelligence service. In my years of working with the ISI as the CIA chief in Pakistan during the late 1980s, there was a single common goal -- get the Soviet Army out of Afghanistan. Within that narrowly defined mission there was close cooperation, even friendships that have endured to this day. On occasion I put my life in the hands of individual ISI officers, but there was never a sense of institutional trust. In executing that joint mission there were, to be sure, serious frictions as each side fused its own sovereign policy goals into the common mission -- Pakistan concentrated its assistance almost entirely on favored Pashtun elements of the Afghan resistance while the CIA strove to provide broader assistance to include other ethnic groups in northern and western Afghanistan. But as long as the primary mission remained valid for both sides and as long as progress was being made, the differences were managed. In effect, the United States and Pakistan went their own ways when their national policies demanded it, but we got along.

Pakistan-Afghanistan relations. Afghans profoundly believe that the ISI is behind most of the attacks on Afghan soil. The Kabul rumor mill already sees a Pakistani hand in the recent attack on Kabul's Intercontinental Hotel. Some of the accusations may be real; some may be a self-serving deflection of blame for security gaps on the ISI bogeyman. In discussing this issue, Pasha might relate to Petraeus a conversation he had with Afghan President Hamid Karzai in which he pointedly asked the Afghan leader which country, aside from Afghanistan, has suffered most from the Afghanistan war; which country, aside from Afghanistan, would benefit most from peace in Afghanistan; and how could Pakistan benefit from doing the things it is accused of. These are reasonable questions.

The ISI leader might also share a belated realization within the Pakistani Army that Pakistan's exclusive focus on Afghanistan's Pashtun population as Pakistan's strategic reserve on its western flank no longer makes sense, if that ever did. This Pashtun-centric policy was the unfulfillable dream of "strategic regional consensus" of late Pakistani President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, a new Mughal Empire that Zia envisioned from Ankara to Islamabad counterbalancing India to the east. Zia's dream always began with a co-opted, Pashtun-dominated Afghanistan. It was handed down to his successors at Army House over the next quarter-century, but it was as unachievable then as it is today. Pakistan's current military leaders know this. Their challenge is to convince the Pakistani population. Pakistan's military leaders understand that their country's relationship with Afghanistan must be broadened. They also know that Pakistan would ultimately find the Pashtun Taliban's return to power in Afghanistan a national disaster, one that would before long spread to India, fulfilling the prophecy of the hair-trigger event that has so occupied the Pakistani Army for decades. Afghanistan is a good starting point for Pakistan to reorder its regional relationships, and the United States can play a limited, but important role of arbiter.

North Waziristan. Pakistani Army leaders understand that this remote, mountainous region must be cleared of foreign fighters and associated groups, but it cannot now appear to succumb to American demands that the Army launch a full-scale assault on the terrorist-infested tribal agency. Pakistani military operations just launched in the Kurram agency fit with Pakistani plans to move against neighboring North Waziristan in the coming months, but any such operation must be recognized as being in Pakistan's interest to do so, not occurring because Americans have demanded it. The Pakistan Army will have fresh ideas and will expect the Americans to hear them out. An underlying concern that the Americans must overcome will be Pakistan's conviction that U.S. forces are moving toward the exits in Afghanistan. Memories of being left holding the American bag run deep. The Army leadership remembers the Soviet exit from Afghanistan in February 1989, American sanctions imposed on Pakistan the next year, the end of U.S.-Pakistan military-to-military contacts, and the Americans turning their back on Pakistan and Afghanistan for a decade. The rest is sad history.

Pakistan-India. Pakistani Army leaders understand that fundamental change is needed in Pakistan's relationship with India. The Kashmir question could be deferred indefinitely, the Army leadership is convinced, as a new relationship with India is developed and a new set of national goals for Pakistan are devised to make the country a player in the region. It is understood within the Pakistan military that India has a historically based interest in Afghanistan and that India's exploitation of Afghan mineral resources need not be a zero-sum game. Indeed, India has indicated it may be prepared to use the southern route through Pakistan's Baluchistan province for the export of iron ore from its massive mining claim at Hajigak in Afghanistan's Bamiyan province (an alternate, politically more challenging route would be from Afghanistan through Iran to the Iranian port of Chabahar on the Arabian Sea). Similarly, another economic imperative that demands Pakistan-India cooperation is a proposed 1,700-kilometer gas pipeline, TAPI, which will bring gas from the massive Dauletabad fields in Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, and into the Indian energy grid at Fazilka in India's Punjab state. TAPI, a huge, multibillion-dollar project, offers the best solution to the energy needs of all the countries on the pipeline's route, according to negotiators of the four countries involved in developing the project.

These issues of potentially vital cooperation between India and Pakistan would be difficult under any circumstances, but without a reasonably functioning U.S.-Pakistan relationship based on common interests, they may well be unachievable.

It is often said that Pakistan never misses a chance to miss a chance. If it misses this one, the world will pass it by, and its isolation will only deepen. The same may hold true for the United States. Its influence in the Indian Ocean is slipping as China and India flex their growing economic muscle. It will have to make a course correction as it approaches the end of its military enterprise in Afghanistan. Pakistan is as good a place to start as any, and the two generals, Pasha and Petraeus, might be the right players for the first step.

Don't Be Spooked by Pakistan - By Milt Bearden | Foreign Policy
America needs to be taught lesson otherwise it will create more troubles for Pakistan
 
But none of this will likely happen until Pakistan takes a bold leap into the 21st century, shedding its 1947 mindset of believing that it is just a hair trigger away from war with India and that it must at any cost be buttressed against Indian encroachment on its western flank in Afghanistan.

Nice reverse psychology to let Pakistan's guard down so bharthis can start their domination. Such loaded B.S. 90% of india's military is on Pakistan's border. What kind of moron would ignore this and let bharthis rein free in Afghanistan. These bharthis need to be pushed out of Afghanistan at all costs, and Pakistan should be 100% prepared for war with india. Pakistan needs to build as many nukes as fast as possible and acquire as many weapons as fast as they can.
 
We are getting off-topic here when we mention Benazir Bhutto. Okay, while at it, my thoughts: Benazir's husband may have taken some 'kick-backs' for some contracts but he was not alone and certainly not the cause of Pakistan's problems.

We have very stupid Pakistanis here who blame the alleged 'corruption' of Benazir, or even Asif Zardari's, as Pakistan's problems.

Indeed, if Benazir was alive today, Pakistan and its image would have been better off. Benazir was a towering figure in Pakistan. Her death was such a blow for Pakistan that EVEN Bharat-Rakshak members--the one forum where you can tell how much some Indians hate Pakistan--were happy that the 'soft' image of Pakistan was removed.

I REALLY pity my fellow Pakistanis who cry over a few alleged $ millions of 'corruption' by Benazir and her husband while ignoring the corruption since 1977. Little these folks know how they are playing into the hands of the ring wing Pakistanis.

Benazir Bhutto: The daughter of Pakistan: May you rest in peace.

Benazir was indeed a very towering figure and the best thing about her was her ability to communicate, her vocal and speech skills. She learned from the best - her father.

You have to ask yourself, if she were alive today what would she be doing? What would be her game plan? How would she have to responded to drone attacks? Obl raid? Raymond Davis episode and numerous other blatant US attacks on Pakistan's sovereignty.

It's obvious a leader of her caliber wouldn't have stayed and kept quiet, like the current dumb and incompetent civilian leaders are doing. She would have raised a hell an a half over even a single bullet fired by the US inside Pakistan, let alone missiles and commando raids.

Without pointing fingers I would say the US benefited the most from BB's death.
 
The Downward Spiral

By H. D. S. GREENWAY

Published: July 15, 2011

It would be hard to imagine a more self-defeating gesture than cutting a third of America’s aid to Pakistan, but that’s what the Obama administration appears to be doing. The reason: to punish Pakistan for expelling American military trainers, and to force the Pakistani Army to be more effective in fighting Islamic militants.

One can understand America’s frustration. NATO soldiers are being killed by Taliban who can skip back over the border to rest up in Pakistan any time they want, often without Pakistan taking action against them. And when bomb factories are identified, Pakistanis warn the would-be bombers.

The U.S. Congress is in no mood to authorize taxpayers’ dollars to such an unreliable ally, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says the U.S. is not prepared to continue providing military aid at the current level “unless and until we see certain steps taken.”

But America needs to consider what it really wants. Is punishment likely to convince Pakistan to subordinate its own interests to America’s? Will it promote a better relationship? Is cutting aid to the Pakistani military likely to make it more eager, or more able, to go after cross-border militants?

The answer to all three questions is no. And it would be helpful to remember that Pakistan has taken more casualties in the fight against militants than has the United States.

As in a marriage, it may be temporarily satisfying to punish your partner in a quarrel, but is it going to help sustain the relationship? And in this marriage, America needs Pakistan just as much as Pakistan needs America.

Much of America’s supplies to Afghanistan come through the port of Karachi and are trucked up through the mountain passes. It would be impossible to conduct U.S. military operations without Pakistan’s good will.

American drone attacks in Pakistan have been vital to degrading Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Pakistan allows this violation of its territorial integrity even though it is extremely unpopular and has killed many innocent Pakistanis.

The trouble with the U.S.-Pakistani relationship has always been that it’s transactional from America’s point of view rather than strategic, as Pakistan would wish it to be. America is always saying: We give you money, now do exactly as we say and do it right now. Pakistan, on the other hand, would like to see more understanding of its problems.

Not that Pakistan is blameless in this downward spiral of relations with the United States. The impact of the Raymond Davis affair was very hard on Pakistan. Davis, a C.I.A. contractor, shot and killed two Pakistanis in the streets of Lahore and then stepped out of his car to photograph the corpses. Davis claimed it was a robbery, but it is more likely that the two dead Pakistani youths were following Davis on behalf of Pakistani intelligence to keep an eye on him.

One can imagine the uproar if a Pakistani intelligence operative shot and killed two Americans in a U.S. city. But, nonetheless, it was short sighted of Pakistan to retaliate by expelling American military trainers because the Pakistanis are the first to admit their soldiers are not sufficiently trained in antiguerrilla warfare.

That being said, the United States needs to be more understanding of Pakistan’s position. Pakistanis are a proud people, and the humiliation of the Osama bin Laden raid will long linger. Obviously Bin Laden had some Pakistani help, but there is no indication that his whereabouts were known at the senior level. Obviously there are Islamic sympathizers within the Pakistani establishment. But that is a problem that cutting aid will only make worse.

The United States has to appreciate how deeply unpopular it is with the rank-and-file, both within the armed services and the population at large. Washington should not do more to humiliate those who support America in the Islamabad government and armed forces, making their position even more untenable.

As for the those militants the Americans want Pakistan to attack, it is clear to everyone that the United States is leaving, and that there will be elements of Taliban in Afghanistan’s future. The Americans are trying to make a deal with the Taliban, why shouldn’t the Pakistanis? A friendly Afghanistan next door is a vital Pakistani interest. The United States needs to understand Pakistan’s desire to keep up relationships with some Taliban as a hedge against the future, just as the Americans are trying to establish relations with the Taliban in order to get out.

For all its faults and contradictions the U.S.-Pakistan relationship is vital to the United States. Washington should not let its imperfections goad it to self-destructive, if self-satisfying, punishments that are unlikely to change Pakistan’s behavior.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/16/opinion/16iht-edgreenway16.html

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A few sane voices still exist in the US.
 
It is a good article, of course from the American perspective. My main trouble in understanding the situation in Pakistan is that there are so many conspiracy theories and conflicting accounts of who is responsible for this and that. My touchstone is the murder of Benazir Bhutto. I cannot comprehend, as someone who has lived in the USA for 65 years, how a society can see a former Prime Minister, and leading candidate in the first election after a period of military rule, killed and not quickly and relentlessly investigate and make public the facts of who was responsible, why and bring them to justice. That is, if Pakistan's society cannot even care enough about BB's killing to get to the bottom of it after, what? three years? then I have no faith that what Pakistan's government, army or news media says. It must all be power games among the elites.

Completely politicized and inefficient and incompetent law enforcement and prosecution institutions.

It isn't that Pakistan's society does not care, but that they see no institution that can actually investigate and prosecute the crime successfully and impartially.
 
to become a player in this new Great Game, Pakistan will first need to rework its relationship with the United States and, following that, with Afghanistan and India.

Sounds like a mafiosi threat. Actually it's just the US trying to get it's piece of the action, as if there were no other players around - I have said it before, if you think the US seeks or will help the cause of better relations between Pakistan and India, you have to get your head examined - poor relations betwen Pakistan and India allows the US to blackmail both Pakistan and India

Forget Afghan minerals, the wealth is in Pakistan's EEZ
 
Trapped in an unhappy geopolitical marriage

The US and Pakistan still need one another - but the US should adopt a more realistic approach towards its fickle ally.

Robert Grenier Last Modified: 15 Jul 2011 10:17
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The US cut its support to the Pakistani military by almost a third this year, and funding will not be restored until 'certain steps' are taken, say officials [EPA]
Depending on one's perspective, the news was good or bad; but perhaps it should have been neither.

When word spread this past weekend that the US would be suspending, and in some cases permanently curtailing, some $800m of the $2.7bn in military support funds due to Pakistan this year, reactions among informed Americans fell along predictable lines. Many, like a friend of mine close to the US military, expressed satisfaction: "Finally," he said. "We're putting the screws to them."

To these observers, the US has acquiesced too long in a gross pattern of Pakistani betrayal and double-dealing, gladly accepting our assistance while bolstering our enemies. Attempts at forging an open-ended strategic relationship between the US and Pakistan have failed, they say. It is high time we put our relations back on a transactional basis, withholding assistance "unless and until we see certain steps taken", in the recent words of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Others expressed apprehension over the potentially toxic combination of public demands and equally public sanctions, designed to force Pakistani compliance. To them, this announced withholding of funds appeared as yet another waypoint in a rapidly descending spiral of events, from the Raymond Davis affair, to the bin Laden raid, to Pakistan's expulsion of US military trainers, to accelerated US drone strikes, threatening to lead ultimately to a rupture in ties, from which both sides would suffer, perhaps incalculably.

Current expressions of US pique, such observers suggest, not only overlook areas of continued effective cooperation, but threaten to accelerate the internal unravelling of a nuclear-armed state of great intrinsic importance to US security interests.

And yet, it seems to me, neither side is necessarily correct, and both have been overtaken by events. Perhaps the announced curtailing of funds could support an alternative model of US-Pakistan relations.

US policy in South Asia is in transition. America's ill-starred experiment in Afghan nation-building is coming to a sure, if not exactly rapid, end. President Obama has left no doubt on this account. And while he may claim that the US is conducting its orderly military drawdown from a position of strength, the end state in prospect in 2014 will hardly reflect the ambitious goals which the president himself announced for Afghanistan at the start of his administration in 2009.

The Afghan Taliban will be anything but defeated, and most of the rural areas in the Pashtun South and East will be effectively outside the control of the central government in Kabul - US and NATO investments in the Afghan National Army notwithstanding. Indeed, by then, the country may well have reverted to the ethnic civil war which characterised much of the 1990s.

One should hasten to add that these readily foreseeable events need not spell disaster for US interests in the region. A modest US presence in Afghanistan should ensure the survival of a rump Afghan state, while providing a base for limited but effective counter-terrorism forces and the means to foment an Afghan-led anti-Taliban insurgency - which may well make incremental progress over time. Indeed, such a US-aided anti-Taliban insurgency is underway in some rural areas already, even if it is currently called by different names.

US demands are unrealistic

Despite the shift in US policy, however, its demands of Pakistan are caught in a time warp. Pakistan has anticipated all along that US patience and stamina in Afghanistan would be limited, and has hedged its bets accordingly.

Now, having validated Pakistan's fears, the US acts as though that should make no difference, and continues to demand that the Pakistanis sweep the Afghan insurgents and their local allies from North Waziristan. With Pakistan's forces heavily engaged elsewhere against local militants in the tribal areas, it is unlikely, to say the least, that Pakistan will willingly sustain heavy losses to earn the enmity of Afghan militants who will eventually, and perhaps sooner rather than later, find safe haven on the other side of the Durand Line.

The US transition in Afghanistan will inevitably generate effects on Pakistani policy calculations, and the US should not expect otherwise. It would be far better for US policymakers to take their own actions into account in assessing the rational limits of their aspirations for Pakistani policy. And if the US transition to a sustainable posture in Afghanistan is far slower than it should be, that is certainly not going to change the Pakistani assessment as to what the future eventually holds in store.

This is not to suggest for a moment, however, that Pakistani calculations of their national interest in the context of a US transition are likely to be wise ones, or that new disputes between the countries will not arise. Militants currently devoted to the destruction of the Pakistani state are not likely to become less so as the US presence in Afghanistan is reduced.

And present Pakistani tolerance of the Afghan Taliban and associated groups is not likely to garner their future cooperation in opposing Pakistani militants seeking safe haven on Afghan soil. Where the threat of cross-border militancy is concerned between Afghanistan and Pakistan, in the future the proverbial shoe is likely to be on the other foot.

Paradigm shift needed

As the US and Pakistan negotiate this changing balance of forces in the region, the old categories - strategic partnership versus transactional relations - should no longer apply. The very idea of a true strategic partnership between Washington and Islamabad was never realistic, any more than the US' recently abandoned, over-ambitious aspirations for a modern, centralised Afghan state.

The differences in American and Pakistani perceptions of their respective national interests are too vast, and the deficit in Pakistani national leadership too great, to permit any such open-ended strategic relationship. In South Asia, sad to say, the past exerts an inexorable pull on the future.

On the other hand, the notion of a transactional relationship, where pressures or inducements from the US side are expected to produce behaviour on the Pakistani side which would not otherwise occur, is no more applicable. As has been amply demonstrated, Pakistan is going to do what Pakistan is going to do, and US "leverage" will only have marginal effects.

Instead, the US would be far better advised simply to support those policies it approves, and withhold support for those it does not, making clear its reasoning in both cases, and encouraging similar frankness from the Pakistani side. The partial curtailing of US military aid to Pakistan, if conducted rationally and with quiet candour, could be the first step in establishing an equally contentious, but far more healthy, and ultimately more stable relationship between the two states.

Each side is condemned to continue dealing with the other. Their respective interests will not permit them to do otherwise. For the two parties in this bad marriage, divorce is not an option. But if they are wise, they will learn, to the maximum extent possible, to air their operatic disagreements openly with each other, but behind firmly closed doors, and secure in the knowledge that nothing is certain but disappointment.


Robert Grenier retired from the CIA in 2006, following a 27-year career in the CIA's Clandestine Service. He served as Director of the CIA Counter-Terrorism Center (CTC) from 2004 to 2006, coordinated CIA activities in Iraq from 2002 to 2004 as the Iraq Mission Manager, and was the CIA Chief of Station in Islamabad, Pakistan before and after the 9/11 attacks.

Earlier, he was the deputy National Intelligence Officer for the Near East and South Asia, and also served as the CIA's chief of operational training. He is credited with founding the CIA's Counter-proliferation Division. Grenier is now a life member of the Council on Foreign Relations, is Chairman of ERG Partners, a financial advisory and consulting firm - and speaks and writes frequently on foreign policy issues.

The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.

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I must admit that I am confused at how so many 'retired' CIA officials can analyze and argue in favor of a much more 'balanced' approach to US-Pak relations, yet this ability to articulate and pursue a 'balanced US-Pak relationship' has eluded two US administrations (Bush and Obama) over 10 years.
 
Benazir was indeed a very towering figure and the best thing about her was her ability to communicate, her vocal and speech skills. She learned from the best - her father.

You have to ask yourself, if she were alive today what would she be doing? What would be her game plan? How would she have to responded to drone attacks? Obl raid? Raymond Davis episode and numerous other blatant US attacks on Pakistan's sovereignty.

It's obvious a leader of her caliber wouldn't have stayed and kept quiet, like the current dumb and incompetent civilian leaders are doing. She would have raised a hell an a half over even a single bullet fired by the US inside Pakistan, let alone missiles and commando raids.

@iphone

she was probably good at speech but, her urdu really sucked. as far as the american drone attacks & raids are concerned i don't think the situation would have been any better than it is now, moreover there would have been more political unrest in pakistan. i am no fan of zardari but i think zardari is a better politician than bb.
 

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