Does Pakistan have any war time planning ?

[John Reese]

People at GHQ and PLA are not morons either.

Neither is US 7th fleet and JSDF ,Vietnam ,Philippines, Malaysia etc
Last PLA deployment was tiananmen square that's 27 years back

China vast land mass is there problem hostile neibours is there problem

SCS is there problem

Rest you know

 

[Crixus]

One more thing what if Iran and Afghanistan jump and settle their scores ...how GHQ handle such situation ?
As per whole discussion RAW and MI seems to be nothing and ISI is standing every where in India

You think people sitting in Army GHQ or
R&AW ,military Intelligence or I&B are morons

And only taking Govt salaries good for nothing

And you a wannabe expert any Pakistani forum is genius in military tactics
Please send your plan to GHQ Rawalpindi or ISI to get there approval

 

[John Reese]

One more thing what if Iran and Afghanistan jump and settle their scores ...how GHQ handle such situation ?
As per whole discussion RAW and MI seems to be nothing and ISI is standing every where in India

As Pakistani they will not pashtun and Muslim love

BLA ,TTP other tribals

I don't know were this love gone when they was cheering heavy shelling of ANA border posts recently on PDF

 

[Crixus]

More Afghanis hate ourPakistani brothers the Indians , who knows they will open second front and even Taliban can take revenge of their betrayel

As Pakistani they will not pashtun and Muslim love

BLA ,TTP other tribals

I don't know were this love gone when they was cheering heavy shelling of ANA border posts recently on PDF

 

[Thomas M]

You are right. Aman is the best option, but Pakistan can never trust India, therefore Pakistan must have proper war time planning in peacetime build planned cities with underground fasilities for clean drinking water/water piple lines all over Pakistan. Severage system, electricity, telecommunication/Internet, bomb shelters,food /medicine stock all over Pakistan , enough hospitals, oil/gas pipelines from Iran , road connection to Iran and China so supplies can arrive in Pakistan. Compulsary service in armed forces for all as many pakistani as possible, as India have larger army.

Yes Pakistan can never trust India, because we were the one who started Operation Gibralter, it was India who infiltrated Kargil heights, when our own Prime Minister was visiting your country with "Aman ke Asha".

The world know the history, India never attacked any country including Pakistan unless attacked upon. Still Pakistan can't trust India but are really trustworthy.

 

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First of all its very bad decision to spend 99% of Pakistan’s budget on Lahore, instead Pakistan should develop cities on distance from Indian border & sea. Right now all universities, hospitals, business and industry of whole Pakistan is located in Karachi or Lahore, very easy targets for India.

In my opinion Pakistan should develop planned cities in Baluchistan, KP and areas of Punjab and Sindh , which are far away from Indian border. All new cities must be built with bomb shelters for the population.By the way it must be prohibited to build houses and industry on fertile soil of Punjab, Sindh, KP, and Azad Kashmir.

Very well Pointed Out ,I've raised that on the forum before,Total federal spending should be concentrated on areas with IDP's,Most of the Provincial funds for Sindh go straight down the drain in corruption,Why not strip the funds and give them to FATA?Now you've a natural processes whereby you're giving away a chunk of money from all provinces and Restricting cash flow to the corrupt.
Some Positives that FATA will adhere as follows
People will develop a Mindset on personal basis with Pakistan and based on emotion with the country.
They will get the Idea that they are no less Pakistanis than the Average Pakistani living in mansions in Bahria town Islamabad for whom everything works out well.
Funds focused on building local Industries Infrastructure and education based on Latest syllabus,Indigenous population of FATA to get free Education till Bachelors,there you have it..A generation of educated Pakistanis well needed.
Since my family is very big we have relationships with the Afridis of FATA,Most of the places they live I've forgot the name but they told me those places are bombed to hell
Most of the IDP's settling back will develop a Psychological barrier based on hatred for Extremism and attraction for well being,Otherwise if you leave them be they have a chance to go Join Jihadi groups again.
But Unfortunately our politicians are Cr4p.
So far army and Federal Gov is doing an Okay Job with it,Which is not acceptable.
If this country needs to go forwards we need to make every city like Lahore and Islamabad,Peshawar has been here since 1947 look where it stands in comparison to lahore?,Even though it is a Provincial capital



@Sarge Thanks as you've pointed out the capabilities of PA and the highly probable Targets.
Relocation is a Must ,If you want to go to war either defensive or Offensive,Or else you will be annihilated of your valuable Installations.
^Point not taken into effect Realistically by either Government or army.

I'd like to point here personally that PA has always fought an Offensive defensive war with India in the past.
And as the title of thread suggests that "war time planning" I don't think it wouldn't be any different next time.
To Disintegrate the possibility of future war with India ,I think Pakistani Government and Military should sign a Treaty of Mutual defense with China In case of a large scale war Threatening the countries,That will also provide Pakistan with stability and focus on Internal problems and worrying less about Invasion from India.

I don't know about you guys but how will Pakistan air force deal with SAM systems and Anti air missiles like S-300 ,400.
How will our navy react to a Blockade?

So Given my last two points and the fact that we all our Major installations are close within Indian borders and Firepower,We cannot afford to go to war with them.
India knows that and if they have the Good B4LLS to do it ,Which I doubt lol.Brute force strategy will overwhelm Pakistan
Given that they've failed to force their number games on Pakistan in all the wars Pakistan fought.
Hence I conclude Pakistan won all the wars with India

 

[BetterPakistan]

If you see the history, Pakistan military was always prepared to defend itself. It was Indian military who was not prepared for war against China in 1962 or against Pakistan in 1999 kargil war (as india says).

Such information isn't shared with public and is always kept secret. We don't need to bother about it because Pakistan military is powerful enough to dismantle India cold start doctrine and India isn't a fool to initiate a war. If India invades in Pakistan than Pakistan military can defeat India conventionally because we need 1/3rd of indian force to defend ourselves.

 

[JohnyD]

With real time experience of good 4 wars with India, I don't have any doubt that Pakistan doesn't have any war time planning....but the most important is, whether that planning will work in actual scenario of War..I think its highly un-predictable and difficult to execute the war as per plan for country like Pakistan.

 

[litman]

we never plan for anything. if there is some sort of planning it will be there only on some power point presentations. nothing on ground. majority of our political and military elite has the idea that a full scale war with india is highly unlikely in future. so we should relax and keep on devouring what's left of this country. we are fighting WOT for about 1.5 decades now and there is only some progress in the military. our civil LEA have outdated equipment and sub standard training. the govt has done nothing to change FATA and bring the people in the main stream. they are just too busy in defending themselves in panama leaks and stuff. pak faced some huge natural disasters in 2005 and 2010. what have we done to counter such calamities in future. NOTHING. created some institutes who exists only on papers and the govt will beg for funds from UN. our govt doesn't have a plan to meet the present security challenges faced by the country what to talk about future war.

If you see the history, Pakistan military was always prepared to defend itself. It was Indian military who was not prepared for war against China in 1962 or against Pakistan in 1999 kargil war (as india says).

Such information isn't shared with public and is always kept secret. We don't need to bother about it because Pakistan military is powerful enough to dismantle India cold start doctrine and India isn't a fool to initiate a war. If India invades in Pakistan than Pakistan military can defeat India conventionally because we need 1/3rd of indian force to defend ourselves.

i disagree slightly. the military didn't plan for indian full scale invasion of lahore and sialkot by IA in 65. in kargil factors like involvement of PAF and PN, reaction of the international media, response of the india were totally not accounted for. so PLANNING is simply not our cup of tea

 

[Kao Boy]

As India always threaten Pakistan with wars , its important to have war time planning.

First of all its very bad decision to spend 99% of Pakistan’s budget on Lahore, instead Pakistan should develop cities on distance from Indian border & sea. Right now all universities, hospitals, business and industry of whole Pakistan is located in Karachi or Lahore, very easy targets for India.

In my opinion Pakistan should develop planned cities in Baluchistan, KP and areas of Punjab and Sindh , which are far away from Indian border. All new cities must be built with bomb shelters for the population.By the way it must be prohibited to build houses and industry on fertile soil of Punjab, Sindh, KP, and Azad Kashmir.

Does Pakistan have any plan to keep telecommunication & Internet operational during war as many other countries have planned ?

Does Pakistan have any plan to stock grain, rice and other food items for war time or when natural disasters occur ?

In my oppinion Pakistan should lay lay clean water pipelines all over Pakistan so our population have enough clean drinking water in all circumstances.

It would be wise to lay oil & gas pipeline from Iran to Pakistan , in war time Indian navy will block Karachi sea port as in past. Then it will become difficult for Pakistan. Also from Pakistans strategic interest it’s important to develop Iran-Pakistan border area and Sino-Pakistan border.

Pakistan should have plans to provide electricity also during war time, in this regard its important to lay transmission lines from Iran & China underground.

Any plans to strengthen Pak army presence in Azad Kashmir, increase number of soldiers.

Any plans to introduce compulsory service in the armed forces of Pakistan or civil service in Pakistan, with regard to the threat from India ? In many countries world over its compulsory to serve in the armed forces, as in Israel, where every man and woman must serve 3 years in the army.

I am sure Pakistan could also do a lot of other preparations to meet the threat from India. Please reply.

Before penning down the whole idea of your should have understood some basic stuff like .. In order to keep Indian Army not invading your interiors you need to keep border touching areas under development so it cannot be used by Indians or We to mobilize easily. Secondly, If you want work to see Kashmir as a disputed then you need to keep your Army away from Azad Kashmir at least as much as possible. Lastly, India has no first use policy of Nukes and attack but Pakistan does not have that policy. It all depends on Pakistan to keep herself and her citizens safe.

 

[Signalian]

I thank you for a satisfying and clarifying answer. It is best to stay ahead of India's Planning

I am sure that India's new friend’s supervise India in new techniques and strategies how to deal with different situations . India's new friends also offer joint exercises and equipment that increase India's capabilities against Pakistan.

Pakistan gets alot of help from China too, in every sense. Pakistan has also conducted joint military exercises with many different countries. Equipment is mostly american and chinese with indigenous stuff coming up.

In Kargil war , Israel rushed to India to provide India with latest weapon systems to target pakistani army as drones, laser guided weapons and other systems.

Pakistan got intel from China and KSA in Kargil war.
In any case, Pakistan keeps good relations with GCC. Allying militarily with certain other countries like Russia, South or North Korea, Brazil, South Africa, Venezuela, Turkey, Morocco and SCO countries.

Also some other countries are helping it against Pakistan, either with weapon, intelligence or to destabilize its internal securityas in Karachi or Balochistan. Elements as Achakzai, MQM and Aswand wali Khan are also assets of foreign powers

This requires a political solution rather than a military action.

To improve internal security of Pakistan, its very important to have efficient border management along all Pakistans borders, and send all Afghans back to Afghanistan, as they openly express support for India and hatered for Pakistan, despite 40 years off great support and shelter. Afghani NDS will surly work for Indian RAW.

Most of this is being done. Border management and plan in pipeline to send afghanis back.

India uses peacetime to make preparations, building strategic roads, filling up all kinds of stocks, optimize plans, doing military exercises, gathers intelligence alone or with their new friends.

Pakistan does the same too.

 

[Signalian]

Great Assessment Sir No offence but Assessment Should Always Include What Enemy Capabilities Are
The Key Element That always discarded By Pakistan Establishment from 1947 to 1999

Its your assumption that Indian capabilities have been discarded by Pakistan, i disagree though.
Due to sheer size of its forces, equipment and reserves, India has more capability to launch an offensive into Pakistan and probably make good progress. Keeping this mind, the options for Pakistan become few and it has to yield best results through that.

A simple example would be:

An area needs to be defended by a PA battalion while an attack is imminent by an IA brigade(3 X battalions) which may be supported by armour or even IAF. The PA battalion commander knows that his battalion may be tasked with an offensive soon also as instructed by his brigade commander or Divisional commande (GOC). This means he will need to conserve strength of his battalion to take part in offensive but he also has to allocate sufficient forces to deter the attack from IA brigade which is already 3 times superior in strength.

He reports his situation back to command and asks for reinforcements. Instead of a good number of troops, extra ATGM, armour support, air cover from PAF and a dedicated battery of artillery to counter IA brigade attack on his position, all he gets is 1 or 2 X companies of paramilitary forces like NG/Janbaz who are lightly armed soldiers.
The atmosphere in Command HQ concludes that if this battalion engages the IA brigade for a good number of hours, the PA divisional level attack will face 1 less brigade during attack. The GOC wants to conserve all heavy weaponry for offensive so just dispatched paramilitary for defensive skirmish to battalion.

The PA battalion commander has 4 regular companies in his battalion and now 2 paramilitary companies. He deploys two companies along with two paramilitary companies, distributing heavy weaponary like ATGM, Mortar etc from his 2 regular companies in between this deployed force so paramilitary company doesnt get routed if encountering tanks. He orders anti tank mining around his positions, placement of LMG's and mortar positions. He allocates his 3rd regular company as flanking force while keeps the 4th regular company in reserve to stay fresh for offensive.

Command HQ cannot promise more than a certain number of rounds and few minutes for artillery cover during initial stages of IA attack on his position because ammunition is needed for upcoming offensive. PAF cover can be requested.
If the battalion commander needs to retreat his forces, he is instructed to retreat to another defensive position which can protect division's flank before this IA brigade advances threatens Division's position.

PA usually fights IA under adverse conditions and limited options as explained in this scenario. Still PA manages to sometimes lose ground, sometimes capture ground and sometimes stalemate. Its easier to sit on a couch pointing fingers and giving comments about "enemy capabilities", ofcourse you are entitled to your opinion, but it should be kept in mind that the commanders leading and sending their troops in the jaws of death are not dumb, blind or deaf. Its for these commanders that pakistanis are still breathing a free air in Pakistan since 1947.

 

[Rain]

As India always threaten Pakistan with wars , its important to have war time planning.

First of all its very bad decision to spend 99% of Pakistan’s budget on Lahore, instead Pakistan should develop cities on distance from Indian border & sea. Right now all universities, hospitals, business and industry of whole Pakistan is located in Karachi or Lahore, very easy targets for India.

In my opinion Pakistan should develop planned cities in Baluchistan, KP and areas of Punjab and Sindh , which are far away from Indian border. All new cities must be built with bomb shelters for the population.By the way it must be prohibited to build houses and industry on fertile soil of Punjab, Sindh, KP, and Azad Kashmir.

Does Pakistan have any plan to keep telecommunication & Internet operational during war as many other countries have planned ?

Does Pakistan have any plan to stock grain, rice and other food items for war time or when natural disasters occur ?

In my oppinion Pakistan should lay lay clean water pipelines all over Pakistan so our population have enough clean drinking water in all circumstances.

It would be wise to lay oil & gas pipeline from Iran to Pakistan , in war time Indian navy will block Karachi sea port as in past. Then it will become difficult for Pakistan. Also from Pakistans strategic interest it’s important to develop Iran-Pakistan border area and Sino-Pakistan border.

Pakistan should have plans to provide electricity also during war time, in this regard its important to lay transmission lines from Iran & China underground.

Any plans to strengthen Pak army presence in Azad Kashmir, increase number of soldiers.

Any plans to introduce compulsory service in the armed forces of Pakistan or civil service in Pakistan, with regard to the threat from India ? In many countries world over its compulsory to serve in the armed forces, as in Israel, where every man and woman must serve 3 years in the army.

I am sure Pakistan could also do a lot of other preparations to meet the threat from India. Please reply.

when it comes to planning neither civilian no establishment is capable enough to see all possible outcomes and plan accordingly.
Pakistan is plagued by straight line thinking.

 

[The Eagle]

There is an old saying, "Never underestimate you enemy". Moreover people use to say "Keep your friend close and enemy closer" so this is good enough to tell that what plannings do we have. No one is asleep. Strategies are defined and tactics are adopted as per the estimated size & strength of threat.

 

[tore]

There is an old saying, "Never underestimate you enemy". Moreover people use to say "Keep your friend close and enemy closer" so this is good enough to tell that what plannings do we have. No one is asleep. Strategies are defined and tactics are adopted as per the estimated size & strength of threat.

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Yes you are right, now Pakistan have to take in account that India’s new friends take part in all type of war time planning, and provide India equipment and training accordingly. By the way India also have agreements with some countries which will in all cases support India, which we also saw during Kargil war.

Once again we see that media in the same countries which supported India during Kargil war is quite over the genocide in Kashmir nowadays. These countries will be loyal to India in future also due to the religion of Pakistanis. It dosent matter which ever proof you provide in UN or in other institutions, they will support India due to hatered for Islam in west.