Does Himachal Pradhesh count as part of the Indus region?

[Cobra Arbok]

Okay, for a start @Taimur Khurram stated that Jinnah did not think all Muslims of South Aso would go to Pakistan.


Awww... little Indiot challenging me on a Pakistani forum? Did I pull a nerve on you?

Taimur and I have disagreed and had civilized debates about various topics. Maybe Jinnah did not think all Muslims would go to India, but he envisioned Pakistan as the only muslim state on the subcontinent, and that Pakistan would be a refuge for Muslims around the subcontinent. He himself pointed out Muslims and Hindus are two separate nations.

Okay, for a start @Taimur Khurram stated that Jinnah did not think all Muslims of South Asia would go to Pakistan.


Awww... little Indiot challenging me on a Pakistani forum? Did I pull a nerve on you?

My facts don't care about your feelings. Keep crying.

BTW, @Taimur Khurram was the second person on this forum to follow me.

@TurnThyCheek, I am sorry your thread got completely derailed by someone who is obsessed with repeating his lies regardless of the topic discussed or evidence presented contrary to what he believes.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Taimur and I have disagreed and had civilized debates about various topics. Maybe Jinnah did not think all Muslims would go to India, but he envisioned Pakistan as the only muslim state on the subcontinent, and that Pakistan would be a refuge for Muslims around the subcontinent. He himself pointed out Muslims and Hindus are two separate nations.


My facts don't care about your feelings. Keep crying.

BTW, @Taimur Khurram was the second person on this forum to follow me.

Taimur and I have disagreed and had civilized debates about various topics. Maybe Jinnah did not think all Muslims would go to India, but he envisioned Pakistan as the only muslim state on the subcontinent, and that Pakistan would be a refuge for Muslims around the subcontinent. He himself pointed out Muslims and Hindus are two separate nations.


My facts don't care about your feelings. Keep crying.

BTW, @Taimur Khurram was the second person on this forum to follow me.

The truth I speak of doesn't give a damn for your feelings either.

You can keep crying and barking like a dog here.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Taimur and I have disagreed and had civilized debates about various topics. Maybe Jinnah did not think all Muslims would go to India, but he envisioned Pakistan as the only muslim state on the subcontinent, and that Pakistan would be a refuge for Muslims around the subcontinent. He himself pointed out Muslims and Hindus are two separate nations.


My facts don't care about your feelings. Keep crying.

BTW, @Taimur Khurram was the second person on this forum to follow me.

@TurnThyCheek, I am sorry your thread got completely derailed by someone who is obsessed with repeating his lies regardless of the topic discussed or evidence presented contrary to what he believes.

Are you an idiot? How did I lie? I just stated the truth that Pakistanis and Indians are completely different.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

You have yet to prove what you are saying is true, Tell me this, did Jinnah not say Hindus and Muslims are two separate nations? In 47, there were two major nations on the subcontinent: Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan. Seems pretty obvious what the endgame was to me.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Taimur and I have disagreed and had civilized debates about various topics. Maybe Jinnah did not think all Muslims would go to India, but he envisioned Pakistan as the only muslim state on the subcontinent, and that Pakistan would be a refuge for Muslims around the subcontinent. He himself pointed out Muslims and Hindus are two separate nations.


My facts don't care about your feelings. Keep crying.

BTW, @Taimur Khurram was the second person on this forum to follow me.

@TurnThyCheek, I am sorry your thread got completely derailed by someone who is obsessed with repeating his lies regardless of the topic discussed or evidence presented contrary to what he

You have yet to prove what you are saying is true, Tell me this, did Jinnah not say Hindus and Muslims are two separate nations? In 47, there were two major nations on the subcontinent: Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan. Seems pretty obvious what the endgame was to me.

Agreed there was the two nation theory. But it was impossible to put all of the south Asian muslim community into one country. Some would be left behind in India as there are today.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Are you an idiot? How did I lie? I just stated the truth that Pakistanis and Indians are completely different.

Of course we are completely differenct, but that does not mean we do not share some similiraties. I can tell you have not read all of my posts, because I believe we are two nations, two people, with two separate histories. But I have also studied subcontinental history, and it is foolish to say our two nations have nothing in common or have never had any connections in history. It is impossible for two countries that border each other to have nothing in common. India shares similarities with all of its naeighbors, not just Pakistan.

Agreed there was the two nation theory. But it was impossible to put all of the south Asian muslim community into one country. Some would be left behind in India as there are today.

Obviously there would be some who would be left behind due to economic reasons. But Jinnah's endgame would be for the vast majority of the subcontinent's muslims to be in one giant country. Jinnah was also completely opposed to having separate Muslim states as it would weaken the power of South Asia's Muslims. Which was why he insisted Bangladesh remain a part of Pakistan with little autonomy.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Of course we are completely differenct, but that does not mean we do not share some similiraties. I can tell you have not read all of my posts, because I believe we are two nations, two people, with two separate histories. But I have also studied subcontinental history, and it is foolish to say our two nations have nothing in common or have never had any connections in history. It is impossible for two countries that border each other to have nothing in common. India shares similarities with all of its naeighbors, not just Pakistan.


Obviously there would be some who would be left behind due to economic reasons. But Jinnah's endgame would be for the vast majority of the subcontinent's muslims to be in one giant country. Jinnah was also completely opposed to having separate Muslim states as it would weaken the power of South Asia's Muslims. Which was why he insisted Bangladesh remain a part of Pakistan with little autonomy.

All neighbours have something in common.

But the differences between Pakistan and India are greater than the similarities.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Also, do you want to know how to fit all of SA's Muslims in one country? Simple. Increase the country's size. Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be a lot bigger than it is today. When Radcliffe presented the final boundaries, he complained that he had to settle for a "moth eaten Pakistan"

 

[MultaniGuy]

Of course we are completely differenct, but that does not mean we do not share some similiraties. I can tell you have not read all of my posts, because I believe we are two nations, two people, with two separate histories. But I have also studied subcontinental history, and it is foolish to say our two nations have nothing in common or have never had any connections in history. It is impossible for two countries that border each other to have nothing in common. India shares similarities with all of its naeighbors, not just Pakistan.


Obviously there would be some who would be left behind due to economic reasons. But Jinnah's endgame would be for the vast majority of the subcontinent's muslims to be in one giant country. Jinnah was also completely opposed to having separate Muslim states as it would weaken the power of South Asia's Muslims. Which was why he insisted Bangladesh remain a part of Pakistan with little autonomy.

Well originally Jinnah also demanded for Northern India and Assam to be part of Pakistan. But we didn't get that.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

All neighbours have something in common.

But the differences between Pakistan and India are greater than the similarities.

That's not what you said. In the English language, "nothing" has a much different connotation "little."
If you actually read the content of this thread, you would know that there are regions in both countries with significant similarities to each other. Which is why another member mentioned you in jest. But of course, you repeated your signature line with absolutely nothing countering the points raised in your thread, which is why I called you out. I admit, I was not expecting you to be so defensive. I apologize.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Also, do you want to know how to fit all of SA's Muslims in one country? Simple. Increase the country's size. Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be a lot bigger than it is today. When Radcliffe presented the final boundaries, he complained that he had to settle for a "moth eaten Pakistan"

Yes Pakistan was supposed to be much larger. But we didn't get that. Yes Pakistan was moth eaten. But there was no choice. Mountbatten said this was the only choice the Muslim League had. The Muslim League thought choosing a moth eaten Pakistan was better than nothing.

That's not what you said. In the English language, "nothing" has a much different connotation "little."
If you actually read the content of this thread, you would know that there are regions in both countries with significant similarities to each other. Which is why another member mentioned you in jest. But of course, you repeated your signature line with absolutely nothing countering the points raised in your thread, which is why I called you out. I admit, I was not expecting you to be so defensive. I apologize.

Pakistani Punjab has very little in common with Indian Punjab. Nice try though.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Well originally Jinnah also demanded for Northern India and Assam to be part of Pakistan. But we didn't get that.

That was part of my point. A full Pakistan could suppost ALL of SA's Muslims. But a moth eaten one could not. Especially after 1971(poor Jinnah would be rolling in his grave if he heard about that). What Jinnah PLANNED and what actually HAPPENED are two different things.

 

[MultaniGuy]

That's not what you said. In the English language, "nothing" has a much different connotation "little."
If you actually read the content of this thread, you would know that there are regions in both countries with significant similarities to each other. Which is why another member mentioned you in jest. But of course, you repeated your signature line with absolutely nothing countering the points raised in your thread, which is why I called you out. I admit, I was not expecting you to be so defensive. I apologize.

I still stand by the fact that Pakistan and India have basically nothing in common culturally. Whatever little we share is just history.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Yes Pakistan was supposed to be much larger. But we didn't get that. Yes Pakistan was moth eaten. But there was no choice. Mountbatten said this was the only choice the Muslim League had. The Muslim League thought choosing a moth eaten Pakistan was better than nothing.


Pakistani Punjab has very little in common with Indian Punjab. Nice try though.

Why are you bringing up Pakistani Punjab? Did I mention it? This thread is about Himachal Pradesh and its similarity to Pakistan, and I and several members provided detailed, in depth answers. You have done nothing to counter the points raised in this thread and instead turn to off topic points and one-liners.
And what is the difference between pak and India Punjab other than religion?

I still stand by the fact that Pakistan and India have basically nothing in common culturally. Whatever little we share is just history.

I don't think you know the meaning of culture. Culture is more than religion. But I am interested in having you explain yourself rather than the other way around.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Why are you bringing up Pakistani Punjab? Did I mention it? This thread is about Himachal Pradesh and its similarity to Pakistan, and I and several members provided detailed, in depth answers. You have done nothing to counter the points raised in this thread and instead turn to off topic points and one-liners.
And what is the difference between pak and India Punjab other than religion?

Nice try. Himachali Pradesh used to be part of Indian Punjab before Indian Punjab was also divided into Haryana.

I have countered your points.

You mention regions which both countries may share commonalities. And that is Pakistani Punjab and Indian Punjab before it was separated.