Do Young Taiwanese want to Reunify With China?

[below_freezing]

lets not forget the 7 million americans that starved to death during the great depression while overproduced food was dumped at sea.

the americans don't even give a s* about their own, do we expect them to care about us?

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

^^^^ That's only "some" Americans who are like that. Most Americans are actually quite GOOD NATURED, only problem is they are brainwashed by Zionist media & education.


When I condemn their actions, it is to help them see the errors of their ways. Another reason is "psychological conditioning", in other words wining the battle without resorting to violence (by scaring them only).

Peace.

 

[sohan]

This forum is hilarious.

Viva la China!

Ahahhahahah

 

[Desertfalcon]

lets not forget the 7 million americans that starved to death during the great depression while overproduced food was dumped at sea.

the americans don't even give a s* about their own, do we expect them to care about us?

7 million Americans did not starve to death during the great depression. Your information is quite wrong.

You are probably reporting something that made the Internet rounds that originally appeared in Pravda from a supposed "researcher" named Boirs Borisov. The information got entered on Wikipedia and it has been the source of much humor here.

 

[gambit]

7 million Americans did not starve to death during the great depression. Your information is quite wrong.

You are probably reporting something that made the Internet rounds that originally appeared in Pravda from a supposed "researcher" named Boirs Borisov. The information got entered on Wikipedia and it has been the source of much humor here.

His so-called 'research' have been discredited even by amateur statisticians.

Millions of people ?vanished? in U.S. - historian - RT

RT: You say that America of the early 1930s made over seven million people perish. It’s a horrifying figure and it needs an explanation. What do you base your research on and why do you say the population statistics of the U.S. government of 1932-33 was falsified?

B.B.: Seven and a half million people does not mean the number of particular victims of the famine, but a general demographic loss, or the difference between the supposed population on the date of the census that was due to be held in 1940 and the factual number of people. In reality, the total demographic loss is bigger. The fact is not contested by anyone. The figure is more than ten million people.

The Statistical Abstract was not even published in 1932...!!!

1901-1950 Statistical Abstracts

So where did ol' Boris get his evidence that millions simply 'disappeared'? It was a time of global economic depression, not just in the US. Migrations by people in search of better economic conditions are inevitable. Census records are not perfect, not even today, so when we factor in these influences, including flawed census techniques, there is bound to be errors. Boris simply exaggerated and made innuendos to distract attention from the crimes the Soviet government committed.

 

[Martian2]

I just want to point out that TSMC (i.e. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.) continues to impress with improved yields per wafer (e.g. "27 percent area reduction compared to an equivalent 0.25-micron Embedded Flash IP") and lower failure rates.

Firstly, "Next generation of [Intel] Xeon processors was produced using 0.18 micro technology" (see second newslink). TSMC is using the same advanced 0.18 micron technology as Intel. Secondly, "TSMC had observed lower failure rate as compared to the previous generation 0.25 um."

TSMC Announces 0.18-Micron Automotive Grade Embedded Flash IP -- HSINCHU, Taiwan, R.O.C., May 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ --

"TSMC Announces 0.18-Micron Automotive Grade Embedded Flash IP
Second generation automotive embedded flash IP achieves AEC-Q100 grade 1 qualification

HSINCHU, Taiwan, R.O.C., May 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ --Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, Ltd. (TWSE: 2330, NYSE: TSM) today announced the 0.18-micron automotive Embedded Flash IP as its second generation Embedded Flash IP that passed AEC-Q100 product qualification requirements for a wide range of automotive applications.

TSMC's 0.18-micron automotive Embedded Flash IP macro features 27 percent area reduction compared to an equivalent 0.25-micron Embedded Flash IP. The 0.18um technology generation hits a cost and performance sweet spot as vast amount of IPs have been developed for many applications. The addition of this 0.18-micron automotive qualified Embedded Flash IP enables customers to extend their current 0.18-micron product portfolios to automotive micro-controller applications.

The 0.18-micron automotive Embedded Flash process entered initial volume production last year. More than 38000 8-inch wafers or an equivalent number of 43 Million automotive MCU units have been shipped. So far TSMC had observed lower failure rate as compared to the previous generation 0.25 um in which 0.1ppm or less has been achieved.

Much of the learning in bringing the 0.25-micron Embedded Flash technology to production readiness has also resulted in a quicker time in achieving this new record for the new IP.

"This new milestone results from a truly synergistic alignment between TSMC's strength in manufacturing consistency and our customers' expertise in test methodology. It underscores TSMC's relentless pursuit to meet the stringent automotive electronics requirements," said Kuotung Cheng, director of automotive program at TSMC.

TSMC is the only foundry that provides AEC-Q100 qualified 0.25-micron and 0.18-micron Embedded Flash IP as general offers to all its customers.

About TSMC

TSMC is the world's largest dedicated semiconductor foundry, providing the industry's leading process technology and the foundry's largest portfolio of process-proven libraries, IPs, design tools and reference flows. The Company's managed capacity in 2009 totaled 9.96 million (8-inch equivalent) wafers, including capacity from two advanced 12-inch GIGAFABs™, four eight-inch fabs, one six-inch fab, as well as TSMC's wholly owned subsidiaries, WaferTech and TSMC China, and its joint venture fab, SSMC. TSMC is the first foundry to provide 40nm production capabilities. Its corporate headquarters are in Hsinchu, Taiwan. For more information about TSMC please visit http://www.tsmc.com.

SOURCE Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, Ltd."

Intel Pentium III processor family

"Jan 2, 2010 ... Next generation of Xeon processors was produced using 0.18 micro technology. There were two different versions of these processors - with ..."

 

[below_freezing]

Not the best time to be posting about taiwanese companies if you know what happened this week.

 

[ao333]

Not the best time to be posting about taiwanese companies if you know what happened this week.

What happened?

 

[Martian2]

Not the best time to be posting about taiwanese companies if you know what happened this week.

A similar incident happened to an European company. I would have to re-research the issue. I think it was a prominent multinational French company where a cluster of suicides happened.

They should have suppressed the news. News of one suicide lowers the threshold for the next one. For example, there have been six suicides at the Ivy League Cornell University this year (see newslink below). No one is suggesting that Cornell is killing its students.

Yet, many have already decided that Foxconn is guilty and responsible for the suicides. The difference in attitude toward Cornell University and Foxconn is unfair. I believe that Foxconn should do everything possible to try and reduce the risk of suicides. However, until we see real evidence, I believe that it is premature to blame Foxconn for the suicides.

I acknowledge that the suicides at Foxconn make Taiwanese companies look bad. Foxconn needs to hire suicide-prevention experts and fix the problem quickly. I know that they've tried monks and counseling, but it doesn't seem to be working. Foxconn has to try something else.

Spring 2010: String of Suicides Shakes Campus | The Cornell Daily Sun

"The Cornell Daily Sun

Spring 2010: String of Suicides Shakes Campus

May 26, 2010
By Sun Staff

Mental health issues took center stage this spring as the University witnessed three highly public suicides from campus bridges in the course of less than a month. In total, the student body lost six of its members to suicide and five to other causes this academic year. National media descended on campus and all eyes turned to Cornell as our shaken campus struggled to grapple with what happened.

The University responded immediately after the third death in mid-March by placing 24-hour security guards on all bridges over campus to keep watch. Guards patrolled the bridges until spring break, when the the City of Ithaca and Cornell agreed to construct chain-linked fences barring access to the bridges.

University officials have maintained that the fences are a short term solution to prevent further tragedy while longer term solutions are being devised. The fences, however, have aroused much controversy, as members of the community have protested the obstruction of the gorges’ natural beauty. Though the fences on city-owned bridges are set to be removed at the beginning of June, it remains to be seen whether bridges on University-owned fences will also be removed.

Other immediate responses to the deaths included the expansion of mental health outreach services, personal check-ins on all students living on campus, a “Lift Your Spirits” event, and extended hours for counseling services.

The suicides have also brought back discussions of Cornell’s grim reputation as a “suicide school”. Though officials continue to claim that the University’s suicide rate is in keeping with the national average, many began to question whether Cornell takes enough proactive measures to prevent student tragedies. Changing the “culture of Cornell” has become a buzzword on campus. Others have called for the Uni*versity to tinker with the academic calender in order to lessen the time period between breaks.

As most students depart for the summer break, the University will continue to reassess and change its current policies."

 

[Martian2]

I agree that Foxconn should keep trying different measures until the suicides by its employees stop. The weekly suicides are a nightmare for Foxconn and all Taiwanese companies. The big question is whether Foxconn is responsible for the suicides or not.

"Twenty-three employees of France Telecom have killed themselves" in a 21-month period. Are Foxconn and France Telecom killing their employees? Is Cornell University killing its students? Are Foxconn, France Telecom, and Cornell University to be blamed for the suicides of employees and students or are there deeper social factors at work?

BBC NEWS | Europe | French unease at telecom suicides

"Page last updated at 16:54 GMT, Saturday, 12 September 2009 17:54 UK

French unease at telecom suicides

French Labour Minister Xavier Darcos is to meet the head of the country's main telecommunications company to discuss a number of suicides among its staff.

Twenty-three employees of France Telecom have killed themselves since the beginning of 2008.

Unions blame tough management methods at the multinational, which was privatised in 1998.

But France Telecom says the rate of suicides is statistically not unusual for a company with a 100,000 workforce.

According to the World Health Organization, France had an annual suicide rate of 26.4 for 100,000 men in 2008. The rate for women was 9.2 suicides per 100,000.

The latest suicide occurred on Friday, when a 32-year-old woman leapt to her death at a France Telecom office in Paris.

On Wednesday, a 49-year-old man in Troyes, east of Paris, plunged a knife into his own stomach during a meeting in which he had been told he was being transferred.

He is being treated in hospital.

Counselling

Mr Darcos is to meet France Telecom chief executive Didier Lombard early next week, a spokesman for the labour ministry announced on Saturday.

The unions say a never-ending drive for efficiency is causing emotional havoc in the workforce - especially among older employees recruited when France Telecom was part of the public sector.

Since privatisation in 1998 some 40,000 jobs have gone, and unions say there is pressure on many employees either to leave or to accept new working conditions.

The management of France Telecom denies that there has been a sudden increase in the suicide rate.

It points out that in the year 2000 there were 28 suicides in the company - a figure which it says is statistically not unusual.

France Telecom says most suicides are prompted by personal, not professional, causes.

However, a BBC correspondent in Paris says the firm concedes that the cultural and organisational changes required by the move from French public monopoly to a competitive multinational were bound to cause stress.

After the latest cases it has promised to hire more counselling staff and to suspend internal job transfers pending new talks with the unions."

 

[below_freezing]

the problem with Foxxcon is that its a company with no technology of its own. all it does is make things for others. there's no design, it doesn't do RD, the corporate culture is autocratic and modeled on imperial china, the managers cheat their workers and lie to their superiors, and on top of it, there's alot of illegal beatings and illegal fines at these plants. a taiwanese worker is paid 3 times that of a mainland one, for the exact same job. no mainland employees can ever rise above assistant manager.

the thing about these plants is, they're not even necessary for china's growth anymore. we have thousands of companies, right here at home, that don't have illegal working hours, beatings, lies, and have their own patents to boot. Foxxconn's turnover rate is 40%. The only company that beats it in this aspect is Wal Mart which is known for atrocities in the US.

you are on the opposing side of china if you believe Foxxconn has nothing to do with the suicides.

 

[Martian2]

Correlation is not proof of causation. The suicide deaths are illogical. If you don't like the working conditions at your company, what do you do? You quit and get another job. What else can you do? Complain to the relevant authorities that you are unhappy about your work conditions. The thing that you DON'T do is commit suicide.

Foxconn has 486,000 employees worldwide. They have been in business since 1974. Foxconn did not suddenly turn into a suicide-causing company. I don't know the reason behind the suicides at Foxconn's factories in China, but Foxconn is not killing the young employees. The young employees are killing themselves and they don't have to.

Nevertheless, I want to extend my sympathy to the families of the unfortunate youngsters, who chose to end their own lives. I strongly support Foxconn's attempts to try everything possible to prevent the next suicide.

 

[below_freezing]

actually it did. when it entered the mainland market in the late 80's early 90's it had a much better corporate culture with innovative management techniques and, to be honest, a much less assertive labor force. the company failed to move with the times. in fact, it moved backwards as it got larger.

there was a record, in fact, of Foxxcon employees illegally imprisoning and torturing another employee suspected of theft.

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anyways, i don't understand why you're defending them. it is a replacable company. it has no technology. it has no patents. it does not do RnD. what makes it so special that it can set up its own court system with torture? banning this company will not affect anyone else. Google contributed far more to China and we banned it too, what happened? nothing. Google actually had patents and held RnD.

 

[Martian2]

the problem with Foxxcon is that its a company with no technology of its own. all it does is make things for others. there's no design, it doesn't do RD, the corporate culture is autocratic and modeled on imperial china, the managers cheat their workers and lie to their superiors, and on top of it, there's alot of illegal beatings and illegal fines at these plants. a taiwanese worker is paid 3 times that of a mainland one, for the exact same job. no mainland employees can ever rise above assistant manager.

the thing about these plants is, they're not even necessary for china's growth anymore. we have thousands of companies, right here at home, that don't have illegal working hours, beatings, lies, and have their own patents to boot. Foxxconn's turnover rate is 40%. The only company that beats it in this aspect is Wal Mart which is known for atrocities in the US.

you are on the opposing side of china if you believe Foxxconn has nothing to do with the suicides.

I cannot agree with you. If a coal mine collapsed on the miners then everyone would agree that the mine owner is responsible for the collapsed mine.

However, Foxconn's situation is very unusual. What if a few coal miners, let's say twelve, out of tens of thousands of employees decided to commit suicide? Why didn't they just quit and get another job at another company? Foxconn has 486,000 employees. How do you explain the 485,988 employees that seem to be satisfied with their jobs?

Suicide clusters at a very large company with hundreds of thousands of employees are like cancer clusters in small towns. Until you can prove causation, it is only coincidence. Furthermore, you have to explain why the employees didn't just quit their jobs. It makes no sense.

 

[Martian2]

actually it did. when it entered the mainland market in the late 80's early 90's it had a much better corporate culture with innovative management techniques and, to be honest, a much less assertive labor force. the company failed to move with the times. in fact, it moved backwards as it got larger.

there was a record, in fact, of Foxxcon employees illegally imprisoning and torturing another employee suspected of theft.

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anyways, i don't understand why you're defending them. it is a replacable company. it has no technology. it has no patents. it does not do RnD. what makes it so special that it can set up its own court system with torture? banning this company will not affect anyone else. Google contributed far more to China and we banned it too, what happened? nothing. Google actually had patents and held RnD.

You are mixing a lot of different issues. If a Foxconn employee had illegally tortured and imprisoned another employee then that Foxconn employee should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If Foxconn management had authorized the illegal torture and imprisonment then they should also be held accountable in criminal court.

A company's technology and patents have nothing to do with responsibility for company employee suicides. I fail to see the connection. A company's degree of innovation is irrelevant to the issue of causation or responsibility for employee suicides.

If Foxconn is as evil as you claim, don't you think that the Chinese government would have imprisoned the management, imposed fines, and expelled the company from China by now? The Chinese government's inaction should tell you that they believe that Foxconn is not responsible for the voluntary suicides of twelve employees.