Do you want Shariah law in Pakistan

[Alpha1]

if sharia law ever comes in to practice in pakistan then goodbye minorities of pakistani as they will be jailed or stoned for fake blasphemy....

that is also happening in the snakular demoncrazy of India

 

[ajpirzada]

How is the shariah in Oman? They are ostensibly closer to heart of Islam than Pakistan?



that is the concept of die hard shariah proponents on this forums..In reality the so called Shariah state is no different than a heavily subsidized mummy daddy state like gulf or a socialist state like USSR.

that just tells how determined you are in proving yourself right while you know nothing about islamic welfare state. How rational, isnt it?

let me give you some headline from the sayings of the Prophet (s.a.w) on what constitutes islamic welfare state:
1. no price caps.
2. no nationalization of private property. Infact it was religious scholars who stood against Bhutto's nationalization drive.
3. govt should only get itself involved in businesses which are crucial for the existence of the state. in today's economics terms, govt should participate in businesses whose social returns are greater than their private returns which means that if left to the markets, they will be under supplied.
4. no monopolies.
5. no selling goods which are not in your possession. in today's terms: no Options.
6. responsibility to provide everyone with minimum sustenance by transferring zakat from rich to poor.
7. and for more see my following post: http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...-want-shariah-law-pakistan-4.html#post4089080
8. appropriate distribtion of income between land owner and farmer. from 1/3rd to 1/2 depending on who provides water etc.
9. taxation of agricultural land. 5% to 10% of the crop depending on if the water is provided through irrigation or if the land is rain fed, respectively.

etc etc....

 

[bangbros]

that is also happening in the snakular demoncrazy of India

as minority myself trust me we live in better condition than urs

 

[somebozo]

that just tells how determined you are in proving yourself right while you know nothing about islamic welfare state. How rational, isnt it?

Again we boil down to the question of logic..if we have to follow what every modern country is following already then we do not need a doctrine from 7th century to teach us that...

let me give you some headline from the sayings of the Prophet (s.a.w) on what constitutes islamic welfare state:
1. no price caps.

So if the prices of essential goods are not regulated there will always be some poor's left out...Shariah fail!

2. no nationalization of private property. Infact it was religious scholars who stood against Bhutto's nationalization drive.

And against land ceilings as well which have given us the curse of feudalism today!

3. govt should only get itself involved in businesses which are crucial for the existence of the state. in today's economics terms, govt should participate in businesses whose social returns are greater than their private returns which means that if left to the markets, they will be under supplied.

so do in any modern capitalist state....sorry dont need Shariah to teach us that.

4. no monopolies.

Again do not need shariah to teach us that...every country has anti-monopoly legislations.

5. no selling goods which are not in your possession. in today's terms: no Options.

Thats not possible because many times you have to close the sale, book and order, take the down-payment and then forward the order to OEM / supplier.

6. responsibility to provide everyone with minimum sustenance by transferring zakat from rich to poor.

These are called unemployment benefits and once again do not need shariah to teach this!

7. and for more see my following post: http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...-want-shariah-law-pakistan-4.html#post4089080

 

[pkuser2k12]

as minority myself trust me we live in better condition than urs

we don't trust you at all the news tell otherwise.Gujarat etc etc

 

[dravidianhero]

all the religions are almost dead and buried in the present times itself.the only thing thats keeping them alive is identity of most of the ppl with them.tht is why u see a lot of extremism across all religions.100 yrs from the concept of religion will be entirely vanished.offcourse the concept of god will last as long as the humans exist but it will change according to times.

 

[Pandora]

Pakistan was created on basis of religion by Mr Jinnah, I respect his views on secularism but it doesn't necessarily means that Pakistan should be run as per his doctrine only. Nation is run as per what majority believes in, If majority of population is in favour of bringing social version of Islam in governence then we have to respect their decision as religious priority gives them right to reject idea of Mr. Jinnah on secularism.


Similarly if majority of population is in favour of secular consitution then govt will automatically remove blasphemy law even if father of nation was against it some 60 years ago.[hypothetical case]

Unfortunately in our country majority doesn't dictate sharia but a bunch of diehards who think religion is the solution for every singe problem. That majority is currently suffering at the hands of bunch wahabi mullahs. If majority wanted sharia then our parliament wouldn't be full of seculars. It is a fact that religious parties never got majority to form a government in Pakistan and inshallah will never do in the future as well.

 

[pkuser2k12]

Unfortunately in our country majority doesn't dictate sharia but a bunch of diehards who think religion is the solution for every singe problem. That majority is currently suffering at the hands of bunch wahabi mullahs. If majority wanted sharia then our parliament wouldn't be full of seculars. It is a fact that religious parties never got majority to form a government in Pakistan and inshallah will never do in the future as well.

the parliament is filled with dicots

 

[Kompromat]

@somebozo

Did you mention in the OP that non Pakistani members can't vote?

Indians are the only other nationality voting but only a handful have voted yes, so far.

 

[dravidianhero]

The best option for me is Imran Khan. If not Sharia law but he will surely strengthen and impose law of the land and Insha'Allah will eradicate injustice from Pakistan.

A society based on Kufr can survive, but a society based on injustice can't. (Hazrat Ali R.A)

man do u even realise how silly you sound.wake up from ur sleep.one man alone can never change a country.majority of the society has to change first.only then can any good happen to any country.

 

[Pandora]

the parliament is filled with dicots

Well at least they are not intolerant bunch of idiots. People at least can live peacefully with the fact that they wont be killed or beheaded for having different views.

 

[KingMamba]

again you are looking in isolation to prove yourself right to yourself. There are two aspect of law in Islam: Communal and Personal. It is not wise to let elements of communal law intervene in the personal domain as they are purely meant to maintain order in the society and provide individuals with a suitable environment in which they may practice their religion in accordance with the Personal laws of Islam. Mechanism of application of personal laws (which are responsible for morals and ethics) is not through state enforcement but through education system of the country. If the state goes on to improving the morals and ethics of individual law then you'll have something like saudi arabia with moral police monitoring your actions which has to do nothing with Islam.

Now the hypocrisy of mullahs has nothing to do with the communal laws but more to do with the lack of institutional mechanism. It is not the communal laws which allows everyone to become a mullah and build his own mosque. Now you are transferring the blame from the state failing to fulfill its duties of providing institutional mechanism to the Communal laws of islam which are not even implemented to start with.

What are you doing my friend?? God forbid you burst his bubble.

 

[ajpirzada]

Again we boil down to the question of logic..if we have to follow what every modern country is following already then we do not need a doctrine from 7th century to teach us that...

i have already answered this before.

So if the prices of essential goods are not regulated there will always be some poor's left out...Shariah fail!

infact, if you regulate the prices u are simply creating distortions in the market mechanism. it is more efficient to let the market choose to output and then let the state maximize total welfare though lump-sum wealth transfer. open any microeconomics book and you'll see.

And against land ceilings as well which have given us the curse of feudalism today!

again looking in isolation of everything else
there are laws which dictate how the distribution of income from crop should take place between the land owner and the farmer. and also that if the land is not utilized for 2/3 years then it should be taken away from the owner. And state land can be utilized by people to do farming at the condition of that they do not leave it vacant. Furthermore, the income should be taxed. That is way more efficient than the ad-hoc measure which people propose.

so do in any modern capitalist state....sorry dont need Shariah to teach us that.

Again do not need shariah to teach us that...every country has anti-monopoly legislations.

Shariah does not have to contradict everything to make itself look pretty. It only tells wat makes most sense. infact it simply proves that modern economic theory has proved the principles of Islamic Welfare state to be correct.

Thats not possible because many times you have to close the sale, book and order, take the down-payment and then forward the order to OEM / supplier.

study Options in detail with their underlying assumptions and you'll see that it does not reduce aggregate risk. It only transfers risk from one party to another without any net increase in returns. Not different from gambling in any sense.

These are called unemployment benefits and once again do not need shariah to teach this!

again. Shariah does not have to contradict other good practices. it simply improves on them.

im currently doing phd in economics and i hope you'll give me some liberty that i may possibly know what im talking about.

 

[KingMamba]

man do u even realise how silly you sound.wake up from ur sleep.one man alone can never change a country.majority of the society has to change first.only then can any good happen to any country.

The majority of Pakistan is behind Imran Khan so he should be given a chance.

 

[pkuser2k12]

Well at least they are not intolerant bunch of idiots. People at least can live peacefully with the fact that they wont be killed or beheaded for having different views.

they are bunch of people who loot the country relentlessly make laws to soot them .appoint thana patwaris who dont caputer anyone and follows their mnas and mpas like zombies. kill opponents bhata khori zero laws no terrorist and target killer got hanged
people live peacefully?

the liberals ppp,anp and mqm have killed 7000 in 5 years

you are lowest of the lowest to support them
you can sink no deeper