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Do you think a political party is behind the striking young doctors?

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Long conversations, doesn't have much value now, YDA succks already, 18 of their mates, couldn't survived just 2 days in prison, they are ready to join, many of them strat comming already, their strike suffered a hard blow, no govt can fullfill their demands, as they keep asking more.
Anyway, they have killed 12 poor pakistanis, their 6 month crunnt salries should be given to the families of victoms, they should be beaten up every day for this.
All of their demands should be thrown in the dustbins?

Well, they are not hardened criminals like Zardari who would be ready to spend 9 years in jail smiling and making a V sign while going to court for curruption. They are mostly from poor families who have no other way to run their families so they would have to do this. But guess what? Would they be happy in their work now? No. Those who didnt have any families issue would look for jobs abroad,, as already more than 80% of gradautes of top medical colleges leave the country because they think their work is not properly rewarded here. There is no one winning here except thug politicians. The country is losing ...
 
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Well, they are not hardened criminals like Zardari who would be ready to spend 9 years in jail smiling and making a V sign while going to court for curruption. They are mostly from poor families who have no other way to run their families so they would have to do this. But guess what? Would they be happy in their work now? No. Those who didnt have any families issue would look for jobs abroad,, as already more than 80% of gradautes of top medical colleges leave the country because they think their work is not properly rewarded here. There is no one winning here except thug politicians. The country is losing ...

That is the point, once they are not criminals they should have considered their social background nobility of their profession, education and stature in society, should have resorted to means of protest accordingly. and gone are the days when these guys had waiting jobs abroad.
 
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That is the point, once they are not criminals they should have considered their social background nobility of their profession, education and stature in society, should have resorted to means of protest accordingly. and gone are the days when these guys had waiting jobs abroad.

I think you have no idea what you are talking about. You think well qualified people can be forced to work under pathatic conditions because they will not find work anywhere else?

Look at the percentage of qualified Professionals of any field,, how much stays in the country and how much goes abroad.
 
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I think we have a gap of knowledge here. I am saying that their demands are fair, i.e. getting better salary and proper employement conditions. Currently they hire Dr. on contracts of one year or so, and keep them on contract, no promotion, no job security, can be fired at anytime without a problem, no pension, no other benefit, nothing like that. There are people working like that since 20 years. Dr. in professionals compared to engineers have very tough duty. In begginning they work 28 days a month, 2 days a week on call to be called even in mid of night,, duties last more than 30 hours, etc. NO normal engineer or accountant has such kind of job. It fair to admit their work. When they are doing that Why should not give them a proper job, with job security like any normal Goverment servant?

The current turmoil is due to the Punjab goverment's broken promise from last year that they will increase salaries and give a salary structure. But now they have refused it and are doing propeganda in Media that Drs. are still unhappy after being given the pay raise, which is not true (AFAIK). Now after bullshiting them, the Punjab goverment is not even ready to listen to their demands, they asked to have a meeting with the Mr. Younger now not skin headed Sharif but he is not ready to do so.

And after all this, when they have gone on strikes this year, Punjab goverment is doing a Police crack down on them- Well, What you expect now? It may not be ethically fair to leave hospitals but is there any reason left to antogonize the Drs. Youth? If there is ANY profession, where professionals are facing police crack down just for strike for their fair rights,,, what should they do? Of course dying of poor patients is regrettable and I am sure no one would be happy on that but who is causing that? If we ask any patient who was treated well in a goverment hospital with a nominal fee, while knowing the same treatment could have costed a fortune in private hospital, if you ask that patients should the goverment give them permanent jobs and regulate their salary? I am sure the answer would be more than just yes.

I think there would hardly any other profession in Pakistan who pays to such professionals who have spent their lives struggling with the system and get laborer like jobs in Goverment hospitals. While their counterparts in private hospitals or abroad are able to live a respectable life.


And in the end, if they are so ordinary professionals like a plumber or a school teacher that can be replaced so easily, why the fücking goverment is cracking on them by police,,, Why dont fire them all who go one strike and hire motor mechenics instead?

Pick up any single post of yours and you will find simple repetition. There is no substance or quality in your arguments. It's a waste of time for me now. But before I quit, I will declare that it is a slap on all other professions when people think that doctors are so much superior to others!
 
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Pick up any single post of yours and you will find simple repetition. There is no substance or quality in your arguments. It's a waste of time for me now. But before I quit, I will declare that it is a slap on all other professions when people think that doctors are so much superior to others!

It is you who think there is no quality in my posts, its fine. You dont have agree with me. I never said anywhere that drs are superior to any other profession. Read 100 times again and you will not find this anywhere.

Every profession has its own importance. Drs. is a just one of the basic and one of the important professions that every civilized country needs.

If you want people to save your lives, you have make them feel they are doing good job by rewarding them, like Army soliders who die, their families are taken care of, those who retire get a good package. And almost all civil servents have such permanent jobs.....Why not graduate doctors? It is not too much to ask for young doctors. It is like treating them as other goverment employees, not a degareded profession. Where comes from the superior?

Stupidity is not a bliss, its not even cool.
 
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24 doctors under house arrest released
24 doctors under house arrest released - thenews.com.pk
July 03, 2012 - Updated 1620 PKT From Web Edition

LAHORE: The Punjab government has released 24 striking doctors put under house arrest after getting assurance of their co-operation to the authorities, Geo News reported.

The police had raided various hostels of the medical colleges just before midnight of July 1st and arrested 33 young doctors under MPO in a damage control bid.

The doctors were released after they signed an unconditional apology and assured the city government not to take part in the strike in future.

Those who were released include, Dr Zaheer Abbas, Dr Mohammad Umair, Dr Shamshad Ali, Dr Kamran Farooq, Dr Khalid Jamal, Dr Umair Saleem Wark, Dr Mohammad Nadeem, Dr Gulfam Ahmed, Dr Sajjad Baloch, Dr Shaid Iqbal, Dr Ahsanullah, Dr Imran Chatta, Dr Adil Ameen, Dr Hassan Tariq Bhatti, Dr Noman Rafi, Dr Jawwad Pervez, Dr Amir Asghar, Dr Farhad Sahi, Dr Sarfaraz, Dr Lucas Verma, Dr Yasir Qayum, Dr Waseem and Dr Jibran Sindho.

check this out, you fake story makers & killers, you are going down !
 
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I've got a young doctor cousin, let's analyze why they're striking. The main reason is that they've got families to feed. Young does not mean fresh out of college like it does for engineers. Until one SPECIALISES, he's a young doctor. Now, that takes, on average, 10 years.

Now here's the thing, you can't marry or do anything with your life for those 10 years because you'll hardly be able to support yourself. Also, one lie perpetuated by the media that I would like to bust is that the doctors have the Emergency ward open, only the OPD is closed, all patients in danger are being treated
 
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I've got a young doctor cousin, let's analyze why they're striking. The main reason is that they've got families to feed. Young does not mean fresh out of college like it does for engineers. Until one SPECIALISES, he's a young doctor. Now, that takes, on average, 10 years.

Now here's the thing, you can't marry or do anything with your life for those 10 years because you'll hardly be able to support yourself. Also, one lie perpetuated by the media that I would like to bust is that the doctors have the Emergency ward open, only the OPD is closed, all patients in danger are being treated

My couisin (Mayo hospital), was working at the emergency at night, sunday night, and then suddenly YDA people came in and wooed everyone away from the Indoor, outdoor, Emergency, everywhere.

My cousin was writing somebody a subscription when she ran away from there, fearing for her life. The doctors left everyone patient on his own, and just ran from there.

point is, that the doctors are wrong in their methods, and so is the government.

Not all young doctors are wanting to go on strike, even though their demand is same, i.e a proper promotion system, but they are forced to by YDA, or else get harassed.

They should atleast not leave their petients in the dark.

Another one of my relative was called today from Islamabad, a senior doctor (assistant professor), to work a 6 hour shift in emergency in place of the YDA doctors. So, emergencies have also been abandoned in some places.

Doctors should come back from strike, and then pursue their demands, which are right and justifiable, some of them.

Doctors can't get directly into 19 grade, but should be given a proper service structure and promotion system.

point is, that in negotiating, you set the bar 10 meters high, while you settle for 8 in the end.

Well, personally I think the time to get back to work is over. They were given a deadline to resume duties which they crossed. After that, there shouldn't be any turning back. The Government needs to make an example out of them otherwise this will become a norm and will repeat itself every few months to every few years.

Yeah,government should keep on beating them to un-conciousness eh?

Look man, I am not supporting the doctors, but my point is that there demands are legitimate, i.e a proper promotion system, but their methods are wrong.

Abandoning a patient is no way to get a service structure.

Same time, this government is acting like a dictatorial rule, beating every doctor they see!

Ego of Shahbaz Sharif vs the Stupidity of doctors.

Doctors should be given another deadline of a week, to return to work, and only then negotiations can take place.

As i said, you set the bar at 10, but settle for 8. All the parties should show some flexibility.

The government does not have money (reasons for not having money could be agreed upon i.e stupid laptop scheme etc etc)
 
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I think you have no idea what you are talking about. You think well qualified people can be forced to work under pathatic conditions because they will not find work anywhere else?

Look at the percentage of qualified Professionals of any field,, how much stays in the country and how much goes abroad.

I know what I am talking about, they are as ordinary or special graduates like other professionals. They should not ask any thing more than what other professional graduates get. Who says they should work under pathetic condition, I say they should ask for what professionals of other disciplines get. What is so special in them that they should be given direct grade 18 or some special pay packages. What's fault of others, this blackmailing tactics must end otherwise culprits be sent home. Yes professional growth should be addressed.
 
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I know what I am talking about, they are as ordinary or special graduates like other professionals. They should not ask any thing more than what other professional graduates get. Who says they should work under pathetic condition, I say they should ask for what professionals of other disciplines get. What is so special in them that they should be given direct grade 18 or some special pay packages. What's fault of others, this blackmailing tactics must end otherwise culprits be sent home. Yes professional growth should be addressed.

2 more dead pakistanis!
well DANDA power has solved , a lot of things in our country, including this one!
problem was, these doctors became greedy & thier is no cure better thn DANDA service!
you can see, now they started comming back & thats it!

they never realise, why army doctors are doing same, job without getting paid equal to YDA killers, does they dont have fammlies to feed?
are they not pakistanis?
are they not in same profession?
its just dam greed, YDA dogs want a bone every 6 months! thats the dam truth!
 
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If you are ever sick, promise never to go to any young doctor who is striking now. Killers indeed, they've opened emergencies for the people

There must be few ring leaders rest are willingly or unwillingly forced to join as someone quoted an example of his relative. Once term YDA killers is used, I consider those ring leaders as killers.
 
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These some doctors are ruining the popularity of Holy Job "Doctor".
They even left patient at critical points just for to get their own benefit by violent Procession/behavior.
I hope Government will arrest them. They are black spots on the profession of Doctor.
 
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whatever you people think that doctors are superior or not but its a reality that only high merit students get admission in medical colleges not ordinary students in other professions , so by the criteria of merit they deserve better than you who even cant imagine to join medical college , i am sorry for being harsh but its reality which you people cant digest so live with it .
 
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whatever you people think that doctors are superior or not but its a reality that only high merit students get admission in medical colleges not ordinary students in other professions , so by the criteria of merit they deserve better than you who even cant imagine to join medical college , i am sorry for being harsh but its reality which you people cant digest so live with it .
What're you smoking, mate? I need a higher percentage to get into NUST
 
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