Do Pakistanis Regret That India did not convert?

[TheGreatMaratha]

Ignorance can break away anything even if its an islamic republic.
East Pakistan always had socialist tendencies..Their comrades across the border in indian bengal and KGB helped them get a new nation..
It was one of the chapters of cold war.
It was you can say an islamic republic vs socialism.

Its for Bengalis to understand how majority of them got fooled by its socialist cadre.
Apart from the fact that geographics were not in West Pakistans favor. a country surrounded by enemy from three sides, east wing that had most of its trade with west bengal etc. etc.

Sad to see that you still believe Bengalis are to be blamed.

 

[samv]

As a Muslim we believe we are a blessed people, it is why we dont have too much issue about Non Muslim people and dont have any inferiority complex to them. I also think Pakistani felt the same as well.

We dont force them to embrace our religion like how Spain like to do in their colony. It is because our God have spoken clearly in Quran that religion cannot be forced. We teach and spread Islam is due to kindness, not something that is related to geopolitics.

Anyway, Muslim have already become huge and it is not the time to talk about quantity but rather quality.

If that's true, why would you jail a Buddhist woman for simply saying that a neighbourhood mosque was too loud?

 

[Indos]

But after Judaism and Christianity everything has changed. Jews were Jews... Europeans left their pagan believes and became Christians. Middle easterns first became Christians and later muslims.
In one point, most of the nations (Maybe except far east asians, they evolved to irreligion, atheism) every nation passed this similar turning points and most of us became monotheistic.

Man, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, some part of Philippine are Muslim in Far East

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Hinduism has everything about Paganism. I mean you give special meanings to animals, Cows, and there was a mice temple I saw in youtube and all that... There is a lot of gods, this is not paganism is. I am not saying it is a good or bad thing, it your religion, but this is what it is.
And about culture, same would have been said about greeks, egyptians and armenians, they all resisted a lot... armenians even killed some saints (skinned him alive) but at one point, they gave up. India didn't. This is the most interesting part of the story for me...

You still haven't understood Sanatana Dharma my friend. You are looking at it from a Abrahimic perspective and I wouldn't blame you for that.

Anyway religious discussion is not allowed.

 

[Indos]

If that's true, why would you jail a Buddhist woman for simply saying that a neighbourhood mosque was too loud?

To show whose the boss in here

 

[Turan09]

No one started life with Paganism. Islam was here when the first man stepped foot on this land.

Even Hinduism, correct me if im wrong, believes there is only One spirit behind their many idolz.

Many, many Prophets came and to each nation they came with One Message and that is the belief of one Allah. The SUPREME AUTHORITY.

There is no God but Allah.

Nations slowly and slowly started worshipping idols and stuff.

Well, I would like to agreed with you since I am a muslim myself. But unfortunately, no. Every evidence shows that first we worshiped lakes rivers and animals... Perhaps we lost our way after Adam (Peace Upon Him) But this is the truth.

 

[samv]

To show whose the boss in here

Reeks of an inferiority complex.

 

[AUz]

This imaginary question can not be answered because of a simple issue. No one agrees how Islam spread in the subcontinent. I believe there may be some historical accounts which many choose to ignore. Delhi Sultanate engaged in religious conversions with much zeal. Mughals were soft on it.

There may have few conversions out of pure sweet will but it must have been rare. Imagine how religious the people were in that age, even the low caste hindus would not have converted willingly in large numbers.

Despite this I don't hold any grudge against Islam for these forced conversions. That was the order of the day. Christians did the same. I don't know why Muslims are apologetic about forced conversions. It's alright that your ancestors were forcefully converted. You don't need to give it a different colour of choice and will.

Only thing is, whatever you said is false. Historians have studied the spread of Islam and issue of forced conversions----and that just wasn't the primary vehicle of Islamic spread. Nobody is apologetic, we just laugh at you for trying to pass 'forced conversions' bs when all historians, non-Muslim Indian and Western alike, agree that Islam wasn't spread in Iran/Egypt or even India by "forced conversions"

Here, some education for you.

Source: Lewis, Bernard Ellis, and Buntzie Ellis Churchill. Islam: The religion and the people. Pearson Prentice Hall, 2008. pages 146, 151

 

[Raghav_101]

Because it is difficult to unite India in cultural aspects. The variety is immense. Hundreds of local cultures which are guarded zealously by people. Hinduism is a very amorphous religion. That helped too. Even the most scared animal for North Indian Hindus , Cow , is eaten by Hindus themselves in S. india still both are hindus.
So india remained pagan because of diversity and success of Hinduism in incorporating local customs and deities in broader Hindu Pantheon.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I would like to hear what the Indian perspective about this is.

 

[Turan09]

Man, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, some part of Philippine are Muslim in Far East

I agree I was thinking about china, japan kind of. Sorry to forget about you.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Because it is difficult to unite India in cultural aspects. The variety is immense. Hundreds of local cultures which are guarded zealously by people. Hinduism is a very amorphous religion. That helped too. Even the most scared animal for North Indian Hindus , Cow , is eaten by Hindus themselves in S. india still both are hindus.
So india remained pagan because of diversity and success of Hinduism in incorporating local customs and deities in broader Hindu Pantheon.

I think Hinduism is very flexible in adapting itself to the changing times. Why? Because it's composed of diverse philosophies with no compulsion in believing in any one. Those philosophies contradict each others and Hindus are fine with that.

Sanatana Dharma has always been here to stay. No one can do anything about it.

 

[SHAH BAAZ]

Well, I would like to agreed with you since I am a muslim myself. But unfortunately, no. Every evidence shows that first we worshiped lakes rivers and animals... Perhaps we lost our way after Adam (Peace Upon Him) But this is the truth.

What evidence?

 

[Raghav_101]

Only thing is, whatever you said is false. Historians have studied the spread of Islam and issue of forced conversions----and that just wasn't the primary vehicle of Islamic spread. Nobody is apologetic, we just laugh at you for trying to pass 'forced conversions' bs when all historians, non-Muslim Indian and Western alike, agree that Islam wasn't spread in Iran/Egypt or even India by "forced conversions"

Here, some education for you.

Source: Lewis, Bernard Ellis, and Buntzie Ellis Churchill. Islam: The religion and the people. Pearson Prentice Hall, 2008. pages 146, 151

Oh. Selective much? Care to educate me on why Hindu Temples were destroyed and converted into Islamic structures ? Isn't it a historical fact ? Qutub minar ? That mosque in Mathura ? And so many others.

So Muslims came to India and destroyed Hindu temples so that Hindus convert of their free will ?
A single mosque ( Babri ) was destroyed by Hindus and we see the bitterness .. the feud.. and numerous hindu structures were destroyed yet your ancestors converted of free will? Yeah. Why not man.

 

[Moonlight]

I think many of the people are going away from the true question of the thread. My question is whether Pakistanis regret that Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Christians, Jains didn't convert to Islam. And how would it have affected the future if they had converted.

Why would Pakistanis or Muslims would have any sort of regret that non Muslims didn’t convert to Islam? Islamic teachings don’t make you force someone to convert to Islam. So this question makes no sense.
Their conversion would have made it a Muslims majority country. But the fact remains the same, Hindus are inherently racists. So maybe they would have fought for a separate small country to practice their teachings? Also, things would have been different, geographically.

 

[AUz]

Ok, so this might be a bit of a controversial topic. The mods can close this one down if it gets out of hand. I'm just opening this one for intellectual purposes and so that Pakistanis can think about the possibilities.

The main reason for me to talk about this is that I have observed many Pakistanis talking about Muslim rule. Post Independence, there was the Kashmir dispute that is still going on to this day. Do Pakistanis think that if the whole of India would have been converted to Islam like them by the Turks, Afghans, Uzbeks, etc, that there wouldn't have been any Kashmir headache for them? Do you guys feel that the invaders should have been more serious about Islam and the conversion of kaffirs of the Indian subcontinent to that religion?

Would India and Pakistan still would have been separate? How would the Muslims looked at Hinduism which would have been an extinct religion by now? Would Muslims have an affinity for Hinduism like the Greeks have for the Greek philosophers and the Persians have for the pre-Islamic Persian empires?

Would Indian origin Muslims would have even risen up against foreign Muslim rule? Or would there have been just a continuation of Mughal rule? Would the Turks might have migrated in more numbers to India to consolidate their rule or spread the extent of the Ottoman empire?
Would the Indian Muslims had allowed that?

Bulgaria, Balkans, and so many other territories didn't convert to Islam even after staying under Muslim rule for centuries. You think Turks give two shits about it? Lol.

Unlike Christians, Muslims did not impose Islam and forcefully converted people. So we don't care whether India converted or not.

Its Hindus' self mental-masturbation where they think that Hindus "resisted" Muslims and didn't "convert" (Even though there wasn't any effort to convert 100% Hindus to Islam). Seeing the history of complete and total domination/Humiliation of Hindus at the hands of superior Muslims---Hindus invent such narratives to feel less embarrassed about their history of defeats and losses.

The post below is one such effort, IMO. No Turk thinks "Oh we should have converted entire Greece/Bulgaria to Islam"....Similarly, no Pakistani ever thinks that all of India should have converted to islam.

We don't care either ways