Do Pakistani doctors ever take the Hippocratic oath?

[chharoonahmad]

Hi

Would someone please tell me if doctors in Pakistan take Hippocratic oath? Or, is it simply a part of unwritten medical ethics? Thanks for the information.

Best wishes
Haroon

 

[Patrician]

I don't know but I think it is mandatory for doctors around the world to take the Hippocratic oath.

They can't become doctors otherwise.

 

[kobiraaz]

i dont knw they take the oath or not, but They have to learn it to pass exams lol. The oath is changed and has a modern version adopted by WHO i believe.Anyway doctors have to follow medical jurisprudence Strictly... They are taugh everything about this during MBBS. that is enough.

 

[longbrained]

No they do not. Actually Hippocratic oath in its original form is not administered any more any where in the world. There are many portions of it which are not compatible with modern medicine, for example its reference to Greek idols, forbidding surgery and not accepting any fee whatsoever. In all western countries they administer a modified Hippocratic oath which is based on the original ones. As for Pakistan, a modified form of Avicenna oath is administered.

 

[chharoonahmad]

Thank you, everyone.

As for Pakistan, a modified form of Avicenna oath is administered.

Would you please tell me when this Avicenna oath formality takes place? Before PMDC issue them a license, or is the med school responsible for this? Thanks for the information.

Regards
Haroon

 

[pak-marine]

depends on the institution , in Pakistani cities its not easy may be urban areas because wadera *** pretty much own every thing they can get around the system

 

[longbrained]

Thank you, everyone.



Would you please tell me when this Avicenna oath formality takes place? Before PMDC issue them a license, or is the med school responsible for this? Thanks for the information.

Regards
Haroon

Usually at the graduation ceremony when people get together at convocation of the institute. In Pakistan it is not a strict legal requirement. It is rather an optional thing. Many never take the oath simply because they are not around when convocation happens (eg. being abroad, etc.). PMDC registration does not require an oath. It just needs a medical degree from a recognized institute. This said, oath is not everything. It is the culture that promotes the humanity which by extension also penetrates medical community. Even a strictly administered oath is not enough. People do treason all the time when under oath. So it is how a doctor is trained and how students are selected into medical colleges that matter. You admit people on the basis of how much money their corrupt daddy has made or you train them in a poor environment then you get the result as such with or without oath specially in a society in which even the corner shop sells stuff while swearing to his God (in effect taking an oath) that the merchandise is genuine while it is not. You see where it is going now. An oath does not equip a doctor with knowledge, compassion, modern equipment and drugs and a comfortable salary to make him work for his patients.
One funny thing I have heard about Thailand which might or might not be true is a tradition at a medical college there. On convocation when they administer the oath all new doctors then are locked in mocked coffins and left there for 2-3 hours. This is to make them realize what their mistakes would feel like personally. This said, also I have to say that mistakes happen all over the world. A medical research study in US has shown that 30% of all deaths in US happen because of a medical mistake or negligence somewhere during patients lives. The most important thing is not the doctor. It is to have a very well funded, well organized and very centralized form of health care. Oath does not improve health care. It is the system that does (eg. see Scandinavian health models). In Pakistan a junior doctor in public sector is paid 200 dollars a month and is worked like a donkey. You can not get much with this amount of reward-ship, specially when you realize the condition of hospitals are no better than doctors themselves, being under equipped and under stuffed in addition to being over burdened.

 

[chharoonahmad]

Thank you, everyone.

@longbrained: Many thanks for a very detailed reply. It was very helpful.

Best wishes
Haroon

Usually at the graduation ceremony when people get together at convocation of the institute. In Pakistan it is not a strict legal requirement. It is rather an optional thing. Many never take the oath simply because they are not around when convocation happens (eg. being abroad, etc.). PMDC registration does not require an oath. It just needs a medical degree from a recognized institute. This said, oath is not everything. It is the culture that promotes the humanity which by extension also penetrates medical community. Even a strictly administered oath is not enough. People do treason all the time when under oath. So it is how a doctor is trained and how students are selected into medical colleges that matter. You admit people on the basis of how much money their corrupt daddy has made or you train them in a poor environment then you get the result as such with or without oath specially in a society in which even the corner shop sells stuff while swearing to his God (in effect taking an oath) that the merchandise is genuine while it is not. You see where it is going now. An oath does not equip a doctor with knowledge, compassion, modern equipment and drugs and a comfortable salary to make him work for his patients.
One funny thing I have heard about Thailand which might or might not be true is a tradition at a medical college there. On convocation when they administer the oath all new doctors then are locked in mocked coffins and left there for 2-3 hours. This is to make them realize what their mistakes would feel like personally. This said, also I have to say that mistakes happen all over the world. A medical research study in US has shown that 30% of all deaths in US happen because of a medical mistake or negligence somewhere during patients lives. The most important thing is not the doctor. It is to have a very well funded, well organized and very centralized form of health care. Oath does not improve health care. It is the system that does (eg. see Scandinavian health models). In Pakistan a junior doctor in public sector is paid 200 dollars a month and is worked like a donkey. You can not get much with this amount of reward-ship, specially when you realize the condition of hospitals are no better than doctors themselves, being under equipped and under stuffed in addition to being over burdened.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Hi

Would someone please tell me if doctors in Pakistan take Hippocratic oath? Or, is it simply a part of unwritten medical ethics? Thanks for the information.

Best wishes
Haroon

PAKISTANI DOCTORS HAVE THEIR VERSION THEY REFER TO AS HYPOCRITICAL OATH.

WE WILL TREAT NO PATIENT WITHOUT AN ADVANCE PAYMENT.

 

[Manticore]

Thank you, everyone.



Would you please tell me when this Avicenna oath formality takes place? Before PMDC issue them a license, or is the med school responsible for this? Thanks for the information.

Regards
Haroon

i dont think i 'formally' took the oath however its written on certain places around the colleges and hospitals are we are bound to read it anyway

different subjects do cover different parts of the oath , particularly the ones that fall in jurespondence e.g behavioural sciences [which was a part of psychiatry at my time] and forensic medicine


honestly speeking , the doctors in pakistan do far more than what is written on the oath , like pay for surgery instruments from there own pockets etc atleast half of the post graduate students are working without pay , so thats far more than the requirements of the oath

 

[Hammy007]

look at the spelling this is how you speak

its not hippopotamus its hypocrite

 

[Roybot]

look at the spelling this is how you speak

its not hippopotamus its hypocrite

It is infact Hippocratic oath, written by Hippocrates. Why would it be called hypocrite oath

Hippocratic Oath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hippocrates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[chharoonahmad]

PAKISTANI DOCTORS HAVE THEIR VERSION THEY REFER TO AS HYPOCRITICAL OATH.

WE WILL TREAT NO PATIENT WITHOUT AN ADVANCE PAYMENT.

Hi PakiSage

When I was writing it I also thought of it! No payment, no treatment! Hell with Hyprocritic oath!!!

atleast half of the post graduate students are working without pay , so thats far more than the requirements of the oath

Hi AntiBody

I don't think any one of them is working without pay. What saddens me is that doctors overcharge poor people when they know they don't have enough money to feed themselves.

Now every time a kid says "bara ho kar doctor banoo gaa aur ghariboo ki khidmat karoo ga", I just can't stop laughing. No offense, please. I know there would be good doctors out there but the majority of them is just not good enough. After all they are also part of 'evil-minded' society.

Best wishes
Haroon

 

[Manticore]

i got only 2 months of pay in my 1 year hoesjob--- the ward in which i am a pg trainee has only 1 paid seet and all others 34 are working without pay---- on the other hand guys who had flunked in schools have a stable income and have got married ---- these guys have earned 6-7 years of pay by the time i will get my fellowship degree and would be able to earn money , and thus start a family------ ofcouse i will mint money at that time , i didnt enjoy life in my youth , but i wont let the same thing happen to my kids----------- this is the thought of every doctor --- furthermore visa problems for pakistanees in u.s and u.k residency has made life a living hell in pakistan.


i dont have to justify myself and neither would i like to list the numbers of lives i saved under this oath---- every human would act according to the oath under that circumstance and thats a routine thing .....

however you are mixing the senior proffessors who have gotten foreign degrees when there were no visa restrictions on pakistanees -- they are GODS and they will keep on minting money till they are alive

 

[Doctor09]

i got only 2 months of pay in my 1 year hoesjob--- the ward in which i am a pg trainee has only 1 paid seet and all others 34 are working without pay---- on the other hand guys who had flunked in schools have a stable income and have got married ---- these guys have earned 6-7 years of pay by the time i will get my fellowship degree and would be able to earn money , and thus start a family------ ofcouse i will mint money at that time , i didnt enjoy life in my youth , but i wont let the same thing happen to my kids----------- this is the thought of every doctor --- furthermore visa problems for pakistanees in u.s and u.k residency has made life a living hell in pakistan.


i dont have to justify myself and neither would i like to list the numbers of lives i saved under this oath---- every human would act according to the oath under that circumstance and thats a routine thing .....

however you are mixing the senior proffessors who have gotten foreign degrees when there were no visa restrictions on pakistanees -- they are GODS and they will keep on minting money till they are alive

brother only a doctor can feel the pain of doctor................... people dont think that doctors are also human beings and they have a family to feed, they themselves get lot of pays and criticize doctors........
people here tell me other profession in which people work without pay except doctors even the doctors who get paid as PG trainee are paid less as compared to other profession........i agree that its our moral duty to treat the poor patients without money BUT serving humanity means no fee charges from 2 out of 10 patients not 8 out of 10