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Do I have the right to remain Ahmadi?

Fair enough! I had gone with that ...but the title went do I have the right to remain Ahmadi not Pakistani...

that's true. ..

actually all these labels "Sunni" "Shiia" "Ahmedi" "Barelvi" are just man-made designer labels. They mean SHYTE to me. The Quran is my Holy Book, My Holy Divine is Allah SWT, and my Prophet/role model is Mohammed SAWS..other role models would include members of His family - but the first 3 are the core for ALL Muslims.

keep it short and simple....leave history for historians
 
Abdul Kalam is the ex-President of India and the ex Chief of ISRO as well Chief Indian Scientist in whose honour the Under water Ballistic missiles of India are named - the 'K series' missiles.
He remains the only human after which Ballistic Missiles have been named by India. All our other missiles are named after elements of the earth.

You are referring to Abul Kalam Azad - the first Education Minister of India under whom many pioneering educational institutes were started including the IIT's.
thanks for correcting but you knew who I meant
 
By Fahim Younis.

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In 1966, nearly 180 million people in the US received Miranda rights – the right to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination.

Half a century later, a religious community in Pakistan, another country of nearly 180 million people, is facing a rather caustic version of the Miranda rights. They don’t have the right, but a duty, to remain silent.

The religious group is the Ahmadiyya community.

Two recent events frame the issue aptly. First, on January 29, 2012, clerics organized an anti-Ahmadiyya rally in Rawalpindi, attended by 5,000 madrassah students, chanting threatening anti-Ahmadiyya slogans and demanding to take over a 17-year-old Ahmadiyya ‘place of worship’. Then on February 11, 2012, approximately 100 lawyers, from the Lahore Bar Association, rallied to ban Shezan drinks on court premises.

So while the clerics have the right to incite violence against Ahmadis, by publicly calling them ‘worthy of death’ and madrassah students have the right to wall chalk phrases like, ‘hang them all’, schools have the right to expel Ahmadi students and lawyers have the right to ban Shezan - Ahmadis, on the other hand, have the right to remain silent!

Is it not true that the right to remain silent assumes a right to free speech in the first place? Something the Ahmadis have been long deprived of?

Unlike the Miranda rights, this ‘right’ to silence is by definition, self-incriminating. Try to voice your opinion as an Ahmadi and you may land in jail under section 295-B/C of Pakistan’s penal code offers pending a three year imprisonment simply for exercising your right to free speech. Try voicing dissent, and you may end up in a graveyard. Even after death, the mullah menace has the right to white wash Quranic verses like ‘God is gracious, ever merciful’ from an Ahmadi’s tombstones.

Consequently, hundreds and thousands of Pakistani Ahmadis, including myself, have tearfully migrated to other countries, but not without sustaining one final jab; the passport application. It requires 97% of Pakistan’s Muslim population to complete a declaration stating that not only do they consider all Ahmadis as ‘non-Muslims’ but they also declare the founder of Ahmadiyya Community to be an ‘impostor’. While I have never met a Pakistani Muslim who refused to sign this absurd declaration, Ahmadis do scratch it out. Their passports are thus stamped with the word ‘Ahmadi’ and the plight of their right to remain silent continues.

For decades, the Ahmadi perspective was systematically hushed under the pretense of ‘sensitivity’. But organizations like Amnesty International are now calling it, ‘a real test of the authorities’. And 0nline newspapers and opinion pieces by courageous Pakistanis have started challenging the suffocating status quo.

For the Pakistani government, there is a way to be good again. Rein in the mullah, stop defining who is and who is not Muslim, and subject the medieval anti-Ahmadiyya laws to a modern paper shredder. Give Ahmadis the right to free speech before offering them the right to remain silent.

Finally, the Ahmadiyya diaspora is choosing to expose this oppression by speaking up. The mullahs and their proxy politicians will have to deal with the bitter truth.

Maybe a glass of Shezan could have helped to sweeten the bitterness. But then I guess that’s just too Ahmadi.


Do I have the right to remain Ahmadi? – The Express Tribune Blog
in simple word yes u have right to remain whatever u r. If hindus can also live here then so can be Ahmedi. They r not as bad as hindus.
 
do Ahmedis recite the same Kalima? if yes then they are Muslims... whatever they have added afterwords in their belief might make them bad Muslim but not Kafir in a classic and clear example as above

Okay First of all no one is forcing their religion on anyone here. All what we are doing here is "discussion".

You can believe in Kalima and be a Muslim but at the same time you better not be believing in anything that is rejected by prophet or quran. Allah says those who disbelieve in what allah has relieved is a "disbeliever"! This is not a opinion but a fact for muslim. Now if i say that i believe in Kalima but say I am jesus and for all those years i was living in a island then right their i have committed a very sinful act of a disbeliever!
 
"One God" is a religious belief, not a fact.

Back to the topic, which is about religious freedoms in Pakistan, not about religion per se.

For atheists (minorities) its a belief but for Muslims Christians and Jews its a fact.

Ahmadis population must not be harmed and Muslims in Pakistan need to calm down and stop using sticks or stones or bullets to address an issue.

"All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes(bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me."
Ruhani Khazain,V.5, Page 547-548; Mirat-o-Kamalat-i-Islam, P. 547; Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548 [Mirza Ghulam translated this Arabic word as "Bastard" in Ruhani Khazain V.11, P.282)

So long before Muslims declared qadiyanis or ahmadis non Muslim, the so called god/prophet declared Muslims non muslims way before. Since Pakistan was made based on religion and nothing else it is fair to create laws based on the religion they fought for to get independence. Without Islam their would be NO PAKISTAN so thats why their is a need to include religion in state's matter.

 
but werent they names of Rajas?
am sure there will be some rajas who have those names but who are they.. never heard their names..
there is one with a raja name... its INS vikramaditya the aircraft carrier. And then there is K series on kalam's name.
Rest most defence systems have river names, city names etc.
 
am sure there will be some rajas who have those names but who are they.. never heard their names..
there is one with a raja name... its INS vikramaditya the aircraft carrier. And then there is K series on kalam's name.
Rest most defence systems have river names, city names etc.

Pirthvi is famous, who fought Ghauri ? we have Ghauri missiles you have Pirthvi missiles..
 
That was the dream. The reality is now very different.
What Jinnah said in the 50's is more relevant than ever in today's Pakistan. If we had followed some of his suggestions we wouldn't be in this mess today.

The government has no business poking its nose into people's personal beliefs. The primary duty of the government is to protect the life and property of all its citizens, irrespective of ethnicity, caste, creed, religion and sex.

But unfortunately, our government has failed miserably at this fundamental task.

We desperately need a liberal-secular national level political party in this country.
 
but werent they names of Rajas?
Hain?

No.
Our missiles are not named after any person/human..the sole exception is 'K' series(Submarine launched ballistic missiles) - that is essentially an honour to 'Kalam' the ex-President of India, Abdul Kalam.

President Kalam was/is a brilliant and key scientist involved in multiple technological programs including ISRO and DRDO.
 
What Jinnah said in the 50's is more relevant than ever in today's Pakistan. If we had followed some of his suggestions we wouldn't be in this mess today.

The government has no business poking its nose into people's personal beliefs. The primary duty of the government is to protect the life and property of all its citizens, irrespective of ethnicity, caste, creed, religion and sex.

But unfortunately, our government has failed miserably at this fundamental task.

We desperately need a liberal-secular national level political party in this country.

The trouble was codified into the Objectives Resolution. It went downhill from there.
 
Pirthvi is famous, who fought Ghauri ? we have Ghauri missiles you have Pirthvi missiles..
there is no king named agni .. or akash... and no queen called sagarika (that I know of).
In any case nothing wrong in naming after kings, but people think pakistan imported their heroes from outside who were invaders to pakistan. Not sure how true.
It will be silly if we name our misslies after Changez Khan or George W. Bush Jr just to be spiteful. :o:
 
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